Now knowing the performance of Fury X, what would you choose?

[DinaAngel]

i want to know why they only set 64 rops and not 128. the card would run soo much faster with more rops.
kinda shooting themselves in the foot

 

[RejZoR]

I think that's the reason why GTX 980Ti is beating Fury. 64 vs 96 ROP is quite a dfference...

 

[DinaAngel]

I think that's the reason why GTX 980Ti is beating Fury. 64 vs 96 ROP is quite a dfference...

yeah its so stupid really. also why lock fury x to reference design only? like lol, AMD should just let the third partys do what they want, fury x lost the dx11 race but thankfully did win in the dx12 race for now until something new comes out.
the normal fury should have problems beating 980ti even with big overclocks

 

[GreiverBlade]

I'm buying nothing AMD, this is bulldozer all over again

sorry but WHAT? you compare Fury X to bulldozer??? it tails the 980Ti at a small % loss (or win depending the situation) cost the same ... and cost 400 less than a Titan X, so for you it's a bulldozer because it's not beating a ridiculously priced high end card that has no practical use over "self satisfaction"?

AMD did deliver ... not on par to the hype felt but they still did deliver a good card no matter what, ofc the price could be a bit lower and it would be a win/win situation for the customer.

voted Fury X (but more Nano than X ) with a custom block, now that i've seen EK already did one, i will wait till Nano review and see if Aquacomputer would do a block for either the X or Nano.
i would go for a 980Ti if i find a good deal but surely not for a 970 or 980, as i have a 290

Amd's just consistently a year or so late to the party.

not this time, it compete with the card in her price-range, ofc ... doesn't beat a Titan X (and the rebrand is not that bad since all the card involved are competitive in their price-range )

not trying to be of one side or another ... but i think the disappointment about the hype is not really justified (since if you recall all the rumor almost everything pointed in the direction of the result we got.)

bottom line both are fine ... tho i would gladly support AMD and the HBM introduction, just because.

the normal fury should have problems beating 980ti even with big overclocks

but will it have problem to beat or compete with her logical contestant? ... aka: 980 ...

for me it's as it goes
390/290>390X/290X>fury/fury nano>Fury X
960>970>980>980Ti

also i noticed at my etailer/retailer i can now find some 290 under the price of a 960 and some 290X just above ... and some site re reviewed the 290X 4/8gb and the nickname is "horspower of a 970 with a 960 price-tag"

 

[bhaalkc]

Id buy 2x 980 ti or wait for Pascal....

 

[R-T-B]

I'm aware of ASIC miners. My question was whether or not GPUs still incorporated the components. If they gave up all that calculation ability we've gone from a die shrink, to coin farmers, to a long in the tooth process that has to eject computational prowess to make slight graphical improvements. If that were the case, we've gotten nothing new since the 7xxx and 6xx generations. We've been losing features, in order to cover for a profound lack of development. It's food for thought.

It's an OpenCL kernel. There are no special "components" beyond OpenCL support.

Sticking with my R9 290X for now personally.

 

[the54thvoid]

If you're using today's review for comparison(Fury X vs. GTX 980 Ti), you're not taking into account many things. Things that could possibly sway the debate strongly in favor of the Fury X over the 980Ti.

1. The Fury X is a 4GB card, and the 980 Ti is a 6GB card. Apples and oranges. You're not even being fair to compare them against each other. Put 2 more GB on the Fury X, then we'll talk.
2. No overvoltage applied to the core, so we don't now how much beyond 1400MHz it will go. Odds are it'll be QUITE A BIT! Odds the 980 Ti core will reach comparatively higher frequencies with any amount of overvoltage are MINIMAL...IMO.
3. No memory overclocking available yet for the Fury X, so we don't know how much improvement that's going to make. Could be HUGE! Could also leave the 980 Ti IN THE DUST...bandwidth wise(even with 2 less GB). Nobody knows yet just exactly what HBM will do. So don't presume you do.

But I'm just speculating...go ahead and ban me.

PS, I HATE Nvidia. You guessed that right!

Point 1 - So we never should have compared 290X with 780 or 780ti? Don't be absurd.
Point 2 - In W1zz'ds reviews he applies NO over voltage anyway. The 780ti partner models also seem to be more lenient with power limit so they go quite high. Most reviews are hitting 100Mhz OC tops (and given it's under water - it's not thermally throttling.
Point 3 - Memory OC will not make the difference. Bandwidth has been shown to be more than ample. It's the VRam limit that will hold back. With enough texture loading the HDD or SSD will start shuffling back and forth - hence stuttering. I know because I get it at 1440p with 3GB cards.

FTR, HBM isn't about some magical step in performance. It's a new step towards same bandwidths with far lower clocks and therefore far lower power draw. HBM is a leap in material/design technology which will allow primarily an efficiency gain. Fiji XT without HBM would be a power disaster.

If you really want to speculate - AMD held Fiji back for quite a while to tweak it. This might well be it as close to as fast as it can go (on hardware) without gaming optimisations. Conversely, Nvidia artificially locks out the Maxwell core clocks via TDP to give an impression of efficiency (though it is efficient). The full GM200 core can hit another 10-20% if allowed through cooling and TDP - WITHOUT voltage increases. Imagine what it can do with no TDP limit (ooh, lets say a flashed BIOS), a nice water block and say the full Titan core count. GM200 won't be caught by Fiji XT if they're both unshackled.

I think you will find this Maxwell core is quite operational... your faith in AMD is your weakness. (seeing as NV is the dark side for you )

 

[v12dock]

It interesting a lot of the reviewers seem to have different results

 

[GhostRyder]

Fury X is on its way overnight from Newegg warehouse in CA I will have pictures tomorrow

Which one did you get (Not that it matter much but I am just curious)?

After some thinking I just placed order for the R9 Fury X. I will update once the card arrives.

Same Question, which one did you buy and what made you change your mind.

I would like to see how well this card (Fury X) scales with time again as that is the real winning situation with AMD (At least in my book). Though my choice on AMD's side has always been the extra vram and performance at higher resolutions in the recent years. I also want to see the basic Fury and what it allows as it could be really cool depending on its performance and how unlocked it is. Maybe they will unlock the fury a bit later for higher overclocking...

 

[rtwjunkie]

Yes good point! Where is xfia and his AMD fanboism now, then? I just can't figure it out.

He was given a "vacation" because of his activities and attacks on several people, followed by the flameout as he crashed, changing thread titles several times when no one subscribed blindly to the gospel he was spewing. Finally he dared Tatty to silence him, which he was reluctant to do.

EDIT: Oops, read thru rest of posts and saw Tatty_One's comment. That's what I get for responding to something on page 1 without reading all the pages. My apologies

 

[the54thvoid]

It interesting a lot of the reviewers seem to have different results

Are they?

I thought most were saying it's running close with the stock 980ti. As W1zz says. It's damn right up there with Nvidia's fastest (at 4k). But since this thread is about what would you buy, you can take the other factors into consideration depending on your enthusiast level, budget or modding background. As it stands, despite it being parallel with a 980ti (at 4k) it loses at more common resolutions and it overclocks poorly in comparison. If you prefer AMD and use a closed case and game at 1440p upwards, hell the Fury X is an awesome choice.

I have an open test bench and custom loop. I like to tinker so for me it's not the best choice. The HBM implementation means AMD have seemingly had to lock down the memory elements of OC and the core is limited.

I see it a few ways.

AMD person - awesome card
Nvidia person - great card but not as good as a 980ti
Enthusiast (who likes to play with tech toys) - a challenge to embrace
Me (who doesn't want to destroy my kit) - I'll be safer OC'ing a 980ti.

 

[Vayra86]

I think you will find this Maxwell core is quite operational... your faith in AMD is your weakness. (seeing as NV is the dark side for you )

Comment of the day. Copied for signature.

 

[the54thvoid]

Holy Mother of God....

http://www.galaxstore.net/GALAX-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-HOF-6GB-LN2-p/98irh5dhf9lt.htm

Ahahahhahahahahahhahhahhahahahahhashahahahhahahhahaha - Found my card:

GALAX designed the new 12 layer PCB entirely from the ground up with triple 8-pin connections supplying a competition grade 16+3 phase power delivery system. The state-of-the-art IR PWM solution with 3595 controller, 3550 DR MOS and 3599 doubler maintains voltage with surgeon-like precision, yet wields brutal 960 amp maximum capacity. When you want to go all-in for the top clock, you have the option of completely disabling all thermal shutdown failsafes and power limits via onboard manual override switch, all while receiving critical feedback from integrated voltage read points and customizable LED indicators.

Screw you Nvidia! Galax saves the day with very expensive and utterly combustible card. I love how they say so innocently "disable all thermal fail safes". Su-fucking-perb!

 

[purecain]

ok ive just paid 500pounds for a Fury X. I wanted a 980ti, only I decided to yet again support the smaller company.

I have to wait 3 weeks for the card.
it isn't faster than a 980ti 70% of the time. and uses more power. so why did I buy the weaker card?
for no other reason than wanting to support companies using new technology.
so my card will be part of the second retail batch in the EU.
I will post up the performance of my fury x when I receive my card. I confess I didn't know about hdmi 2.0 support not being on the card.
come on amd, send me some special silicon. i'm hoping I don't regret my decision.

 

[GhostRyder]

Holy Mother of God....

http://www.galaxstore.net/GALAX-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-HOF-6GB-LN2-p/98irh5dhf9lt.htm

Ahahahhahahahahahhahhahhahahahahhashahahahhahahhahaha - Found my card:



Screw you Nvidia! Galax saves the day with very expensive and utterly combustible card. I love how they say so innocently "disable all thermal fail safes". Su-fucking-perb!

That sounds...Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the most amazing non-reference design sounding card ever. If I could have three of them with some liquid blocks I might actually buy them up just to see how far I could push them!!!

 

[Jborg]

Holy Mother of God....

http://www.galaxstore.net/GALAX-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-HOF-6GB-LN2-p/98irh5dhf9lt.htm

Ahahahhahahahahahhahhahhahahahahhashahahahhahahhahaha - Found my card:



Screw you Nvidia! Galax saves the day with very expensive and utterly combustible card. I love how they say so innocently "disable all thermal fail safes". Su-fucking-perb!

Thats one smexy 980ti.....

 

[the54thvoid]

That sounds...Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the most amazing non-reference design sounding card ever. If I could have three of them with some liquid blocks I might actually buy them up just to see how far I could push them!!!

I'm chuckling as I type but it's ....ahem.... $200 more than the standard Galax 980ti HOF edition. looooooool.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Well, I was hoping for more gusto from the Fury X. I still haven't decided whether to upgrade now or later. On one hand, I'm content with what is still superb performance from my 780. On the other hand, the overwhelming whoopass factor of the 980Ti is appealing in a big way.

So, I'm in a big fence-sitting mode now: Wait until Pascal, or get 980Ti in about 6 months. In any case, I'm no longer considering the Fury X.

 

[Ferrum Master]

I'm chuckling as I type but it's ....ahem.... $200 more than the standard Galax 980ti HOF edition. looooooool.

For that price they must include a water block also for their custom mess... Otherwise what's the point of that VRM other than epeen extension. It must be burned... and not definitely not on air.

About the OC potential... when the voltmods will start, then we will see the real situation... so far the pussy clocking via CCC... well are you serious?

 

[GhostRyder]

I'm chuckling as I type but it's ....ahem.... $200 more than the standard Galax 980ti HOF edition. looooooool.

Well then...So its essentially the cost of a Titan X at that point. but I am willing to bet I could squeeze much more performance out of it lol.

 

[Outback Bronze]

ok ive just paid 500pounds for a Fury X. I wanted a 980ti, only I decided to yet again support the smaller company.

I have to wait 3 weeks for the card.
it isn't faster than a 980ti 70% of the time. and uses more power. so why did I buy the weaker card?
for no other reason than wanting to support companies using new technology.
so my card will be part of the second retail batch in the EU.
I will post up the performance of my fury x when I receive my card. I confess I didn't know about hdmi 2.0 support not being on the card.
come on amd, send me some special silicon. i'm hoping I don't regret my decision.

I honestly don't think you will be disappointed with it mate. Its a solid card.
Just about every review site I've seen recommend it no matter how good the 980 ti is.
I sure as hell wouldn't mind one over my 980. Fury x should get better over time with driver updates to bud.

 

[the54thvoid]

For that price they must include a water block also for their custom mess... Otherwise what's the point of that VRM other than epeen extension. It must be burned... and not definitely not on air.

About the OC potential... when the voltmods will start, then we will see the real situation... so far the pussy clocking via CCC... well are you serious?

No block - it is LN edition for a reason - it's not really for people like me. I'd love to order one but I'd need a water block and the PCB is not the same as the HOF edition. Need to contact EKWB....

As far as Fury X OC and CCC? It's not about CCC - I think it's near it's limit. Time will tell but until then, it's a poor OC'er and that's all that matters right now (it's not logical to blindly expect it to OC better later).

 

[Aquinus]

I suspect as other have said, the ROPs are probably holding Fury X back. As we can see its 4k performance isn't half bad but it seems to get worse as you get to lower resolutions. I think that might be because at higher resolutions, the shaders are doing more work prepping data so there is a bias towards need more shader compute power. At lower resolutions, more frames get pumped out and the amount of work the shaders have to do is less, putting more strain on the ROPs (complete speculation,) so it may not be unrealistic that more complex scenes at lower resolutions *may* excel on Fury X. I suspect this is another case of AMD optimizing for good performance on one measure that isn't what the majority of the market wants. It's kind of like how AMD thought that going with "moar cores" was going to solve the performance problem and it didn't.

So in summary: I suspect that higher frame rates in general benefit from extra ROPs when the shaders aren't the primary bottleneck.

Side note: Does anyone remember when you could overclock the Core domain separate from the shader domain on nVidia GPUs (last one I had that could do that was a GeForce 8600 GTS.) It's too bad you can't just overclock certain parts of the GPU like the ROPs, the shaders, or the cache. This is a complaint for both camps IMHO. With that said, it would clearly be highly architecture dependent.

 

[PaNiC]

Fury X. I like single slot with ek water block better and i think it'll get bigger boost with dx12. I wish AMD dropped the price by $50 to $100

 

[Ferrum Master]

No block - it is LN edition

That's why it is more than shady... external supply board and go on... if your luck is bad and the sucker doesn't clock even David Hasselhoff himself won't help you for sure. Yes naturally you can order a custom block, but the overall price won't justify it. If one goes for records, cherry picking in the store is always an essential start of the venture.

Well CCC clocking has always been buggy actually and gave worse results from my experience, some drivers even broke it in funny ways, I bet the transition states driving VRM and reading the voltage table causes that... We will see first custom partner cards, and then we will continue AMD rape fest further, at least with more confidence and arguments.