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Nvidia accuses Ati of cheating in some games....

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Kaiser Kraus, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. Kaiser Kraus

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    physx in vantage

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    Was gonna mention just that.
     
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    thread needs closed
     
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    Nvidia cheats on some games as well. This is hardly news.
     
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    How about some news like "Nvidia Brings Physx to ATI cards!". That'll be the day...
     
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    ya u r right.. and mostly NV lol
     
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    ya if Intel starts optimizing Hovok for Intel CPU, then that may happen :)
     
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    beat me to it.
     
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    nvidia has done so much worst than that in the past they have no argument
     
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    this just goes to show how sad the industry is these days. I have an idea, how about both companies just shut the hell up and make decent drivers for my cards
     
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    It's funny how desperate Nvidia is though, to include a sheet filled with that kind of bullshit with every review sample they send out?

    DEESSPERAAATE
     
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    Well how do you think the drivers are made? Know why we have game specific improvements?

    For instance lets say the game is StarCraft II. When the drivers detect the game, they will say "OMG Starcraft II," and then optimize for that game, but maybe changing AA automatically, or modifying reflections slightly, etc. So long story short, lots of small changes will give a noticeable increase in performance, maybe even 20%. Drivers are pretty much cheating tools! :laugh:
     
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    yup. and thanks to scandals in years gone by, they only cheat in ways that dont affect quality now.


    the article is very dodgy, they tell reviewers to disable catalyst AI for testing - which often has a large performance hit, disables crossfire completely, and sure as hell isnt apples to apples since nvidia leaves their 'cheats' on.
     
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    Quality is affected as proven in the Crysis tests, where the reflection on the water was stretched on Nvidia cards and correct on the ATI ones. Quality is still affected, you just have to look closely! ;)
     
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    in that one game only. it didnt happen in any of the other games.
     
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    Hardly.

    Futuremark made a benchmark that used PhysX, and its scores were inflated when a PPU was used.

    It is hardly nVidia's fault that they bought Ageia, and turned their graphics cards into PPUs. I'm sure they did all that just so they could cheat in Vantage, I'm sure it had nothing to do with a value added feature they could offer their customers...:rolleyes:

    That aside, they both cheat, so get over it.
     
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    It probably has, people just don't notice. Would you notice if I turned AA from 2x to 4x? I mean really? Or would you just be like, "That's how this game looks." How would you ever know if you didn't own both card types and test the game? Tough to determine, unless you study screenshots you have taken on identical hardware (minus cards).
     
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    exactly.

    if you dont NOTICE, then its all good.


    Farcry? thats easily noticeable. that aint good.

    look at the oblivion screenshots, and tell me theres a difference - there isnt, so its all good.
     
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    Of course ATi (or AMD:confused:) is a cheater, they had a 6 months advantage over Nvidia:shadedshu in dx11 cards, how they dare to release a better, cheaper and sooner porduct, that's unfair competition:laugh:. And now they release the GTS450 and it's slower than a 11 month ATi 5770:wtf:.

    They are desperate because the ATI/AMD 6000 series is around the corner.
     
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    nvidia needs to go make some cards that dont bake the earth and stop its whining =\
     
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    Back in the days of the ati 9000 and nvidia 5000 series, this kind of controversy was the talk of the town. When Nvidia's 5000 series offerings weren't up to par with Ati's, they spin issues like this. Fast forward to the present, history repeats itself again. Desperate straits brings about desperate measures......:shadedshu
     
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    Then who's is it? :wtf:

    So I defend AMD/ATI by pointing out one of Nvidia's faults, and suddenly I'm a fanboy? :wtf:
     
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    It's not nvidia's fault that futuremark chose to use physx in vantage, Maybe its ATI's fault for not helping their customers with the tools to use it
     
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