My whole thing is that the GTX 285 and the GTX 280 FTW were overclocked by over 100 mhz and didn't have to be water cooled. Same with the 9800's and the 8800's if I remember correctly. That doesn't mean EVGA did not make a version that was. My whole thing is that .... it just shows how warm it is. With that said though..... if there is an enthusiast that is planning on doing 3 way SLI with these..... I would choose no other card but these. But it is the only way you will get SLI because of how much power they take. I don't see them coming out with a GX2 version for quite some time. For the facts that .... it would take up less space, Even at stock speeds it would give out less heat and it would be the only way not to kill your temps in the rest of your case. But Anyway don't get me wrong. these cards are still the new big boy on the block and their performance is still really cool. There are just too many problems for me...... to actually consider them. Especially the hot warm thing. If I buy a card I don't want it dead in 1 year because it runs hotter then a card really should.