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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti Specifications Detailed

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Post the September 13 launch of GeForce GTX 660 and GTX 650, a wide performance gap between the two is more than evident, and we've known for a few weeks now that NVIDIA isn't stopping at the GTX 660, at harvesting its GK106 silicon. There are more sections of the media with plausible specifications of what is being referred to as the GeForce GTX 650 Ti, an SKU designed to let NVIDIA fill the US $130-$220 price-range, between the GTX 650 and GTX 660.

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Many Thanks to NHKS for the tip.
 
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IS it in any competition with HD 7850?
 
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So a GTX660 SE is already in the works(half of things disabled for the 650ti)... So many versions of the 660.
 

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Still disappointed.. expected it to have about 768 cores.. seems like it will take a beating from the 7770.. i wonder if there will be any new card that will perform like the previous generation 560 or a 6870 while not costing much..
 
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Ya regular 650 cant match HD7770 in performance, yet its priced the same. Wondering what the pricing will be for the 650 Ti.
 
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Still disappointed.. expected it to have about 768 cores.. seems like it will take a beating from the 7770.. i wonder if there will be any new card that will perform like the previous generation 560 or a 6870 while not costing much..
This part should beat 7770, as it has more ipc and will probably clock better (nvidia has given pretty much all chips but 660 tdp to overvolt/overclock this gen to 1200mhz) considering 7770 usually can only hit ~1150 (~1.163/1.175v?) and most have no voltage control.

Obviously a rumor, but if 8800 is indeed 1792/1536 with 199 and 279 price tags, I would think it realistic 8700 would be roughly half that and the 8750 will be a response to this part...slighlty more ipc and slightly lower clock (and perhaps clock potential) causing them to be roughly similar. Considering how cheap the <200mm chips from amd tend to get fairly quickly (ex: juniper), I would think plausible that an 896sp 8770 replaces 7700 to compete with such a 768sp nvidia part at around 6870 performance and $120 real price (7850 and 7870 going to 140/160/180) and these are ~$100. Not a huge budget boon, but these parts rarely are.
 
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Wow then all the 768 core speculation to date was totally wrong for the 650Ti -- 576 is only 75% of that. The wait continues to see what the rumored 655 or 660SE are. Why are they waiting so long to sell a mainstream $160~180 kepler part?
 
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And you know why this works so well for them. Average consumer looks up cards to buy and finds a review for a Ti, goes to amazon and buys a SE or whatever thinking it's the same shit. The kind of people that would miss that are probably the sort that wouldn't pay a lot anyways. Now they think they just bought one of the fastest cards out there for $150.
 
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Wow then all the 768 core speculation to date was totally wrong for the 650Ti -- 576 is only 75% of that. The wait continues to see what the rumored 655 or 660SE are. Why are they waiting so long to sell a mainstream $160~180 kepler part?
It wasn't wrong...it was always this way (650ti - 3smx, 655 - 4 smx) afai remember.

This is my thinking: It can't beat 7850 (just as 660 can't beat 7870 and is relegated to being competition for 7850) clocked at 980mhz and this will beat 7770. Why make an sku out of gpus that possibly could be going to 660's, crowd the market, and lower profit margins when there is no competition? You don't.

It will likely come around the time the 8700 is launched. Knowing nvidia, probably clocked the smallest fraction faster at stock, because 8770/'655' will probably perform clock-per-clock very similar. (If 8770 is 1100mhz, it will be 1111mhz or something). If it comes earlier it will detract from 660 because it will need to be clocked higher so it isn't instantly made a joke by 8770.
 
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consumer looks up cards to buy and finds a review for a Ti
Yea, I have to say when a GK107 core is in a GTX650, while the GK106 is in a product called GTX650Ti... it's all a little shady. Mixing chips under the matrix nomenclature isn't something I can't ever remember being done. Sure there's been serious geldings; (cutting and slashing of a chips/memory/bus/etc.) but I can't think of ever seeing different silicone process's straddling the same product classification.

Had they even released it as a GT650 (GK107), while this as the GTX650ti (GK106) it would have been less devious, but this is just plainly unscrupulous. Though I've learned to expect no less from green marketing... this is a new low! :shadedshu
 
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Yea, I have to say when a GK107 core is in a GTX650, while the GK106 is in a product called GTX650Ti... it's all a little shady. Mixing chips under the matrix nomenclature isn't something I can't ever remember being done. Sure there's been serious geldings; (cutting and slashing of a chips/memory/bus/etc.) but I can't think of ever seeing different silicone process's straddling the same product classification.
You're obviously fairly new to the whole graphics thing...
GTX 560 SE / 560 / 560 Ti - GF114
GTX 560 TI OEM / 560 Ti 448 Core = GF110

...not that long ago surely?

Though I've learned to expect no less from green marketing...
Hey, at least the GTX 680 and GTX 680M are both GK 104 silicon...HD 7970 owners get Tahiti, while HD 7970M owners get Pitcairn*, and I'm still waiting for an intelligent explanation for AMD's hybrid Crossfire marketing/naming scheme


* Oops, I forgot - owners of mobile systems don't count.
 
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it's all a little shady
Well don't look at the army of 630 branded cards then, because some are Fermi and some are Kepler! Most people who don't pay attention (1) don't spend that much anyways relatively and (2) probably didn't really care anyways. It's not that hard to look the cards up and order the right one.

The real evil is when fraudsters slip 650 cards into 650Ti boxes (and 560 into 560Ti boxes, etc). This goes all the way back to fraudsters slipping 64-bit TNT2 (M64) cards into the 128-bit labeled boxes at least.
 
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GTX 560 TI OEM / 560 Ti 448 Core = GF110
Oops, didn't realize that OEM ever saw light... while de-rating what was a 570 to a 448 core wasn't as terrible as having folks think a 650 is just a reduce 650Ti (GK106). Oh' well, it’s all good. Thanks' for confirmation that the Nvidia consortium is use to this deceitfulness… good for them!

And yes mobile and OEM… I don’t worry all that much. Life too short to keep track of all the varmints in every pasture, but if you do that fine.
 
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I'm not sure, probably a retarded attempt at reviving GeForce 4 naming schemes, if that so, maybe they should name all their GTX 650 cards and lower "GTX 6xxMX" since they're all crap...

Man, nVidia, Intel and AMD all have idiots in their product naming division as far as I'm can tell...
 
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What about the gap between 7770 and 7850 in AMD's line up? I hope AMD will follow nVidia's example and release some card in-between.
 
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What about the gap between 7770 and 7850 in AMD's line up? I hope AMD will follow nVidia's example and release some card in-between.
Like a 7790 or a 7830? They'll never do that unless there's a market for it, or they have some damaged silicon that they need to recoup costs on. If the HD 8000 series is just around the corner, there's no need.