• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3 GB

Joined
Oct 9, 2013
Messages
47 (0.02/day)
I'm sure with their 512-bit bus they will do fine at higher resolutions.

Personally just think that talk about 4k is still very premature.

In making their decision, people should stick to what matters now, and realize $300 is a lot money and they are not using 4k.

I find people bringing up non-important points for the sake of arguing pointless.

...
The problem is that 780TI suffers at resolutions higher than 1080p. Its 6-7% faster in 1080p but is equal at 1600p or higher resolutions. 3GB just isn't enough with full AA, 4X or 8X. Moreover, R290x still lowers it clock even at 55%fan and Ubermode. So 780TI's victory is pretty narrow 3-4% average. well c an updated review of both cards with non-reference coolers soon.
 

HTC

Joined
Apr 1, 2008
Messages
3,911 (0.89/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name HTC's System
Processor Ryzen 5 2600X
Motherboard Asrock Taichi X370
Cooling NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit
Memory G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 480 OC 4 GB
Storage 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III
Display(s) LG 27UD58
Case Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold
Mouse Razer Deathadder Elite
Software Ubuntu 19.04 LTS
Its a good question, but, the switching is so fast, I do not think it would make a difference. Not to mention, you lose the peaks too by starting out lower.

Turn the fan up. :)
If the test reveals inefficiency, then there's legitimate reason to avoid any lower quality cooled cards, regardless of which camp.
 
Joined
Oct 26, 2011
Messages
3,145 (1.02/day)
Processor 8700k Intel
Motherboard z370 MSI Godlike Gaming
Cooling Triple Aquacomputer AMS Copper 840 with D5
Memory TridentZ RGB G.Skill C16 3600MHz
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 Ti
Storage Crucial MX SSDs
Display(s) Dell U3011 2560x1600 + Dell 2408WFP 1200x1920 (Portrait)
Case Core P5 Thermaltake
Audio Device(s) Essence STX
Power Supply AX 1500i
Mouse Logitech
Keyboard Corsair
Software Win10
3GB just isn't enough with full AA, 4X or 8X.
To be fair I don't know if I can confirm this statement, after W1zzard asked me to bring him proof about more than 3GB usage on my Titans I couldn't find any game going over 2.8GB on 1600p even with 16X AA.

The only game that would go over 3GB was Skyrim, not vanilla.

Talking about 1600p.
 
Joined
May 21, 2011
Messages
660 (0.20/day)
System Name Tiger1-Workstation
Processor Intel XEON E3-1275V2 / E3-1230V3
Motherboard ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 / AsRock H87 Performance
Cooling Corsair H80i Watercooling
Memory 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400
Video Card(s) Inno3D GTX 780 Ti
Storage 2TB SSD(4X OCZ vertex 4 256GB LSI RAID0 + Crucial M550 1TB)
Display(s) 2x Dell U3011 30" IPS
Case Silverstone Raven 03
Audio Device(s) Xonar Essence STX--> Xonar Essence One --> SPL Auditor -->Hivi X6
Power Supply Corsair AX860i Platinum
Software Windows 8.1 Enterprise
If the test reveals inefficiency, then there's legitimate reason to avoid any lower quality cooled cards, regardless of which camp.
my question is, AMD didn't know or cared about this during their months(or years) of internal testing?
 
Joined
Dec 31, 2009
Messages
17,109 (4.56/day)
my question is, AMD didn't know or cared about this during their months(or years) of internal testing?
Great point, which is what I was thinking in formulating my opinion... If the performance difference was more than negligible, they likely would have done something about it.

To be fair I don't know if I can confirm this statement, after W1zzard asked me to bring him proof about more than 3GB usage on my Titans I couldn't find any game going over 2.8GB on 1600p even with 16X AA.

The only game that would go over 3GB was Skyrim, not vanilla.

Talking about 1600p.
Its not the vram that is the problem there it seems... it is the 384bit bus and AA that may be the biggest difference.

I know this is apples and oranges but here is some GREAT testing (IMO) across several games at 1080p and 5760x1080 as well as 3D for vram use...

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=718118

IN BF3, I hit 2.3/4GB used in BF4 I hit 2.4/5GB used (1440p default Ultra settings).
 
Joined
May 21, 2011
Messages
660 (0.20/day)
System Name Tiger1-Workstation
Processor Intel XEON E3-1275V2 / E3-1230V3
Motherboard ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 / AsRock H87 Performance
Cooling Corsair H80i Watercooling
Memory 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400
Video Card(s) Inno3D GTX 780 Ti
Storage 2TB SSD(4X OCZ vertex 4 256GB LSI RAID0 + Crucial M550 1TB)
Display(s) 2x Dell U3011 30" IPS
Case Silverstone Raven 03
Audio Device(s) Xonar Essence STX--> Xonar Essence One --> SPL Auditor -->Hivi X6
Power Supply Corsair AX860i Platinum
Software Windows 8.1 Enterprise
Great point, which is what I was thinking in formulating my opinion... If the performance difference was more than negligible, they likely would have done something about it.
things don't happens by chance these days, they have their reasons. my take on this?

It was probably never AMD's intention for 290/290x to be clocked this high to begin with, it seems that somewhere along their development path, they made a last-ditch effort to pretty much push the power envelope to its limit (possibly this happened when they learned news of Nvidia's plans)

the same sort last-ditch effort they made to 290 to "suddenly" lift the fan speed limit to 47% at last moment.

in summary, it looks like AMD was forced to ship their cards clocked this high at last minute (this also explains the inadequate cooler - it was never meant to cool a card of this power envelope) to remain competitive to whatever they thought NVidia had planned, and it seems they were right on the money for that. literally.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
1,585 (0.41/day)
Location
Los Angeles/Orange County CA
System Name Vulcan
Processor i6 6600K
Motherboard GIGABYTE Z170X UD3
Cooling Thermaltake Frio Silent 14
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Video Card(s) ASUS Strix GTX 970
Storage Mushkin Enhanced Reactor 1TB SSD
Display(s) QNIX 27 Inch 1440p
Case Fractal Design Define S
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply Cooler Master V750
Software Win 10 64-bit

HTC

Joined
Apr 1, 2008
Messages
3,911 (0.89/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name HTC's System
Processor Ryzen 5 2600X
Motherboard Asrock Taichi X370
Cooling NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit
Memory G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 480 OC 4 GB
Storage 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III
Display(s) LG 27UD58
Case Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold
Mouse Razer Deathadder Elite
Software Ubuntu 19.04 LTS
my question is, AMD didn't know or cared about this during their months(or years) of internal testing?
Dunno.

If it's proven to be inefficient and this result is then "shoved in their faces", don't you think they'll be forced to up the reference coolers quality?

But don't think i'm only talking about AMD here: i'm also talking about nVidia and should it's throttle efficiency prove bad, i'll "direct my guns" @ them as well.


But this talk is premature: the efficiency may actually be very good. Don't know until someone actually tests this *subtle hint for W1zzard* ...
 

the54thvoid

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 14, 2009
Messages
7,653 (2.03/day)
Location
Glasgow - home of formal profanity
System Name Newer Ho'Ryzen
Processor Ryzen 3700X
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VI Hero
Cooling TR Le Grand Macho
Memory 16Gb G.Skill 3200 RGB
Video Card(s) RTX 2080ti MSI Duke @2Ghz ish
Storage Samsumg 960 Pro m2. 512Gb
Display(s) LG 32" 165Hz 1440p GSYNC
Case Lian Li PC-V33WX
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply Seasonic Prime TItanium 850
Software W10
Benchmark Scores Look, it's a Ryzen on air........ What's the point?
I think the >3GB Vram usage argument is mostly irrelevant, especially with findings from the link given by Earthdog.

People have jumped on it as a validation as to why the 4GB is better than the 3GB of 780 and now 780Ti without even using any evidence. The irony being a single 290X or 780Ti is barely, if at all powerful enough to game at 4K res. Nvidia even state that - single GPU's are not capable yet of rendering for 4K. The proof is in the reviews.

When was the last 'what monitor size do you use' poll? How many people that argue about 4K even have 1440p? Very few. Even fewer have 1600p.

Gaming on BF4 with ultra and max gfx settings I do not see above 2.8GB usage. Most maps are actually settled at 2.5-2.6GB. In fact, i've gamed at 1440p for a good while now and have never seen anything higher for single monitor gaming (and I've got a pretty redundant 6GB VRam on my card).





EDIT:

On a total side note - it's an appalling lack of professionalism that so many reviews I've read have used PCB pics from a 780 or Titan. Well done W1zzard for not taking a half assed lazy approach. W1zz's shots show us there is a different power circuitry in place.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 31, 2009
Messages
17,109 (4.56/day)
If you check out the steam stats, I believe that less than 1% of users have a resolution higher than 1920x1200 or multimonitor setups.
 

the54thvoid

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Dec 14, 2009
Messages
7,653 (2.03/day)
Location
Glasgow - home of formal profanity
System Name Newer Ho'Ryzen
Processor Ryzen 3700X
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VI Hero
Cooling TR Le Grand Macho
Memory 16Gb G.Skill 3200 RGB
Video Card(s) RTX 2080ti MSI Duke @2Ghz ish
Storage Samsumg 960 Pro m2. 512Gb
Display(s) LG 32" 165Hz 1440p GSYNC
Case Lian Li PC-V33WX
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply Seasonic Prime TItanium 850
Software W10
Benchmark Scores Look, it's a Ryzen on air........ What's the point?
If you check out the steam stats, I believe that less than 1% of users have a resolution higher than 1920x1200 or multimonitor setups.
I guarantee someone will wade in with a "steam surveys are useless post". :rolleyes:
 

swagnuggets123

New Member
Joined
May 30, 2013
Messages
8 (0.00/day)
Location
Avon Indiana USA
System Name Beaufighter mk 1
Processor i7 3970x @ 5ghz
Motherboard ASrock x79 Extreme 11
Cooling 5 swiftech 480mm radiator with a cpu waterblock and 4 full cover gpu waterblock
Memory 64gb Kingston Hyperx Beast 2133 Quad Channel @ 2770
Video Card(s) 4 Galaxy Geforce Gtx 780 HOF editions
Storage Samsung EVO 1tb SSD Western Digital WD SE 4 tb
Display(s) 3 Asus PQ321 31.5in 4k monitors in Nvidia Surround
Case Corsair 900D
Power Supply LEPA G Series 1600 Watt 80 PLUS GOLD Certified
Software Windows 8 Pro, Linux Mint

HTC

Joined
Apr 1, 2008
Messages
3,911 (0.89/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name HTC's System
Processor Ryzen 5 2600X
Motherboard Asrock Taichi X370
Cooling NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit
Memory G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 480 OC 4 GB
Storage 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III
Display(s) LG 27UD58
Case Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold
Mouse Razer Deathadder Elite
Software Ubuntu 19.04 LTS
If you check out the steam stats, I believe that less than 1% of users have a resolution higher than 1920x1200 or multimonitor setups.
IMO, i think that's the wrong way to think about it.

One should check the percentage of steam users have either camp mid high to high end cards and then, out of those, how many have a resolution higher than 1920x1200 or multimonitor setups.
 

manofthem

WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
Joined
Jan 9, 2011
Messages
10,899 (3.23/day)
Location
Florida
System Name Box
Processor Ryzen 1600X @3.7
Motherboard AsRock X370 Taichi
Cooling Water
Memory 32GB G Skill Ripjaws V 2800
Video Card(s) GTX 980 SC ACX2.0
Storage ADATA SX700 512GB
Display(s) LG 34UC88
Case Fractal Design S
Power Supply SeaSonic 660XP2
Mouse Logitech G900
Keyboard Division Zero
Software Windows 10 Pro
Last edited:
Joined
May 21, 2011
Messages
660 (0.20/day)
System Name Tiger1-Workstation
Processor Intel XEON E3-1275V2 / E3-1230V3
Motherboard ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 / AsRock H87 Performance
Cooling Corsair H80i Watercooling
Memory 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400
Video Card(s) Inno3D GTX 780 Ti
Storage 2TB SSD(4X OCZ vertex 4 256GB LSI RAID0 + Crucial M550 1TB)
Display(s) 2x Dell U3011 30" IPS
Case Silverstone Raven 03
Audio Device(s) Xonar Essence STX--> Xonar Essence One --> SPL Auditor -->Hivi X6
Power Supply Corsair AX860i Platinum
Software Windows 8.1 Enterprise
Clearly it is not a completely accurate representation of ALL users, however, its big and broad enough to at least get an idea of what the landscape is like...
last time I checked Intel HD graphics was still the most popular graphics card used by steam users. :D
 
Joined
Dec 31, 2009
Messages
17,109 (4.56/day)
He already said it's going to be added to next round of benchmark reviews, as well as a few others; I think it was the new AC and CoD
yeah, gotta give reviewers time to, for this type of game with no built in benchmark, to find a good location (may I suggest Tashgar on the SP campaign?), and then retest... oh how I hate retesting......
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2012
Messages
26 (0.01/day)
"While 3 GB doesn't seem like a lot of memory, I am convinced it is enough for all games, in all resolutions, and in the forseeable future. My guess is that we'll also see board partners release additional SKUs with 6 GB, to cater to buyers who think they absolutely need more memory (even though they don't)."

Yes 3GB might be enough for all games, but the "buyers who think they absolutely need more memory" (and really do), are for example those who work with rendering and want to maximise both CUDA cores as well as memory in order to generate faster renderings in larger scenes. I'm sure there's room for 4, 5 and 6GB versions, or even larger, in the marketplace. Value wise this is what it looks like currently:


The Quadro K6000 is $5000 for 2880 CUDA cores: 0.576 CUDA cores/dollar
The TeslaK20 is $3500 for 2496 CUDAs: 0.7 CC/dollar.
When the Titan launched it was a bargain at $1000 for 2688 CUDAS: 2.69 CC/dollar
When the memory limited GTX780 launched it was 3.55 CC/dollar


The GTX780Ti provides 2880 CUDAs for $699: 4.12 CC/dollar. Apart from FP64, the thing the Titan still has over the 780ti is the memory. Bringing out larger memory version 780ti's, and they will have a market among those who really do need them.
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
20,223 (3.48/day)
Processor Core i7-4790K
Memory 16 GB
Video Card(s) GTX 1080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 7
Its not the vram that is the problem there it seems... it is the 384bit bus and AA that may be the biggest difference.
you do realize that gtx 780 ti has more memory bandwidth than r9 290x, right? it's not only how many lanes you have on your highway but also how fast the cars go

oh how I hate retesting..
look at how many cards I have to retest :/ gonna drop a few older ones but should still be 25-30
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 21, 2011
Messages
660 (0.20/day)
System Name Tiger1-Workstation
Processor Intel XEON E3-1275V2 / E3-1230V3
Motherboard ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 / AsRock H87 Performance
Cooling Corsair H80i Watercooling
Memory 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400
Video Card(s) Inno3D GTX 780 Ti
Storage 2TB SSD(4X OCZ vertex 4 256GB LSI RAID0 + Crucial M550 1TB)
Display(s) 2x Dell U3011 30" IPS
Case Silverstone Raven 03
Audio Device(s) Xonar Essence STX--> Xonar Essence One --> SPL Auditor -->Hivi X6
Power Supply Corsair AX860i Platinum
Software Windows 8.1 Enterprise
you do realize that gtx 780 ti has more memory bandwidth than r9 290x, right? it's not only how many lanes you have on your highway but also how fast the cars go
hrm interesting, I used to always thought bandwidth as how many lanes and clock speed for how fast the cars ago, and memory size? I guess you can think of them as how much weight can this bridge hold before it collapse :)
 
Last edited:

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
20,223 (3.48/day)
Processor Core i7-4790K
Memory 16 GB
Video Card(s) GTX 1080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 7
hrm interesting, I used to always thought bandwidth as with how many lanes and clock speed for how fast the cars ago, and memory size? I guess you can think of them as how much weight can this bridge hold before it collapse :)
bandwidth = bus width * clock rate (+ more math for gddr5, and 8 bit=1 byte)

should become obvious if you think about it for a minute: bandwidth = how many cars per hour can go through the toll station on the highway

for memory size you could think of how many cars fit on the parking lot, connect that to your memory bus highway, and now ask how people can get home when work ends and wont be late for dinner (= wife aggro)
 

theonedub

habe fidem
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
8,007 (2.00/day)
Location
Northern CA, USA
System Name Erakith || Asus UX305FA
Processor AMD ThreadRipper 2990WX ES (32c/64t 3.5ghz@1.02v) || Intel Core M 5Y10 @ 800mhz
Motherboard MSI X399 MEG Creation || ASUS OE
Cooling EK Supremacy TR4 Full Nickel, D5 w/ EK Top, 2X EK-CoolStream XTX 360 & Photon 270 Res || !PASSIVE!
Memory 32GB (4x8GB) Corsair Vengeance PRO RGB DDR4 3000|| 8GB LPDDR3 1600
Video Card(s) Vega 64 EK FC|| Intel HD Graphics 5300
Storage 250gb WD Black NVMe & (2) 2TB Intel 660p NVMe || Toshiba 256GB SSD
Display(s) 34" Dell Ultrasharp U3415W || 13.3" 1080P IPS
Case CaseLabs Merlin SM8 || Aluminum Unibody
Power Supply Corsair HX1000
Mouse Corsair Harpoon Wireless RGB
Keyboard Corsair Strafe RGB w/ Cherry MX Silent
Software Windows 10 Pro x64 || WIndows 10 Home x64
Benchmark Scores WCG & F@H Only
Are the heatsink fins behind the plexi window black or did Nvidia tint the window a little bit? The heatsinks on the Ti look jet black whereas on my 780 they look bright silver (sorry if this was mentioned in the review somewhere, I just took a quick glance).
 
Joined
Dec 23, 2012
Messages
1,421 (0.53/day)
Location
south korea
System Name budget gaming / MSI gs70 6qe silver
Processor i7 4770k 4.0 ghz / i7 6700hq
Motherboard Asus Z87m-plus / msi h97
Cooling Zigmatek Janus LP / stock
Memory G.Skill TridentX 16gb 2666 mhz CL11 / Samsung ddr4 2133
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1060 6gb AMP / gtx 970m
Storage 750gb Seagate (OS); 1x 1tb WD; 1x2tb Seagate
Display(s) 2x crossover 30x-p driver + crossover 3020mdp 1600p eyefinity / HP elitedisplay E231 1080p
Case BRAVOTEC DEFY R50
Audio Device(s) Onboard / onboard
Power Supply Silverstone 750W gold/ Powertex 500w
Mouse Logitech G100S
Keyboard Steelseries Mechanical keyboard
Software Windows 10
To be fair I don't know if I can confirm this statement, after W1zzard asked me to bring him proof about more than 3GB usage on my Titans I couldn't find any game going over 2.8GB on 1600p even with 16X AA.

The only game that would go over 3GB was Skyrim, not vanilla.

Talking about 1600p.

max payne 3. turn on all eye candy.... requires alot :D even my crossfired 7950 cant....

talking about the hbao and ssao... dont know the difference and function :D

this is at 1600p
 
Joined
Apr 17, 2008
Messages
3,929 (0.90/day)
Location
West Chester, OH
This is getting stupid (in a good way).

Here is your call AMD, where is the R290X GHz Edition that comes with a superior cooling solution?! You're losing again! (Already..)

I bet we see a R290X GHz within the next 3 months, and it will cost $629.99... lol
 
Top