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#76
No you clearly stated that somehow news about your preferred brand's next-gen products somehow doesn't get to the "first page"(which is ridiculous because everything on TPU frontpage is listed in chronological order and the forums are by default ordered by last post time which you can easily bump). You are essentially saying that news about your preferred brand are being actively suppressed, i.e. a conspiracy against your preferred brand.


Although I will give you that you sounded less crazy than the other guy who outright said TPU(and perhaps the Illuminati) is manipulating us into talking about nVidia instead of AMD.
 
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#77
No you clearly stated that somehow news about your preferred brand's next-gen products somehow doesn't get to the "first page"(which is ridiculous because everything on TPU frontpage is listed in chronological order and the forums are by default ordered by last post time which you can easily bump). You are essentially saying that news about your preferred brand are being actively suppressed, i.e. a conspiracy against your preferred brand.


Although I will give you that you sounded less crazy than the other guy who outright said TPU(and perhaps the Illuminati) is manipulating us into talking about nVidia instead of AMD.
You look at my post as a half empty glass and you expect everybody else to look at it like that. Then from a "nut job" you ...upgrade me? downgrade me? I don't know, to just "less crazy".
What do you want me to say, that you are right or even thank you for your kind words????

Let's stop it here because every post you do it just makes it worst.
 
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There was no half-empty glass. You made it abundantly clear that you think one brands' news will magically never make it to the "first page" while the other brand's did.

Also, there are nut jobs, and then there are nut jobs.
 
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And you continue.......
Whatever you like to believe.

PS And no. When commending someone you don't know there is only one kind of "nut jobs". The kind that insults.
 

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These specs are about as fake as they can get. All those numbers should come out with a lot more than 5.7 TFLOPS.
 
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#81
These specs are about as fake as they can get. All those numbers should come out with a lot more than 5.7 TFLOPS.
Are some of you new to tech news, pr spin begets pr spin and one bit of news that might mold what a consumer buys, naturally is countered by the other teams pr.
Look at what's said of next generation gpu's over the years and both this and the pirate island info are both realistic possibilities that's all, final steppings and binning might yet destroy all hope of a good 2015 (as I said ages ago) as 20nm is not looking stable.
 
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Are some of you new to tech news, pr spin begets pr spin and one bit of news that might mold what a consumer buys, naturally is countered by the other teams pr.
Look at what's said of next generation gpu's over the years and both this and the pirate island info are both realistic possibilities that's all, final steppings and binning might yet destroy all hope of a good 2015 (as I said ages ago) as 20nm is not looking stable.
mrk there are people on these forums that now think the GTX 880 has been detailed. If no one opposes it then it will become the truth by default. It's not just here. There is so much disinformation floating around the net about video cards. I have seen people on Tom's Hardware with badges for graphics prowess talking nonsense. One of these experts was defending the GTX 680 (my card) as the flagship Kepler about a year ago. He missed the GK104 designation I guess.
 

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I'm just confused why an obviously completely speculatory story, that isn't even true specs has fostered such back and forth hostility. Are there really people that think the GTX 880 has been announced and we now have the specs? since when have we EVER gotten anything reliable from Nvidia's closely guarded development information in any more than 2 months? It's obviously fake, and no 880 (whatever it's specs) will be forthcoming till sometime in 2015.
 
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#84
The rumors are just a base to talk about a possible card(and pass the time in front of the monitor). What will come out maybe it is unknown even to Nvidia. They can't know for sure how 20nm will be doing in TSMC in 6 months from now.
With Maxwell we didn't knew for sure how the cards will look like 1 weak before the official presentation, not months. Do they have a six pin connector? They need it? They don't? just as an example.
AMD is more easily to predict with cards.
 
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I'm just confused why an obviously completely speculatory story, that isn't even true specs has fostered such back and forth hostility. Are there really people that think the GTX 880 has been released and we now have the specs? since when have we EVER gotten anything reliable from Nvidia's closely guarded development information in any more than 2 months? It's obviously fake, and no 880 (whatever it's specs) will be forthcoming till sometime in 2015.
This is an unprecedented time in PC gaming video cards. Moves are being made from both camps to cash in on the confusion and ignorance.
Nvidia farts out an imaginary Titan Z for $3,000 and AMD follows suit with an actual R9 295X2 for the low low price of only $1,500. At least we get a suitcase with this one. :p

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This is an unprecedented time in PC gaming video cards. Moves are being made from both camps to cash in on the confusion and ignorance.
Nvidia farts out an imaginary Titan Z for $3,000 and AMD follows suit with an actual R9 295X2 for the low low price of only $1,500. At least we get a suitcase with this one. :p

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So nVidia is going to charge a premium price for a mid level chip again? whatever.... :\
 

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So nVidia is going to charge a premium price for a mid level chip again? whatever.... :\
If it performs like a high end card(like 680 beating AMD flagship) why wouldnt they?
 

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So nVidia is going to charge a premium price for a mid level chip again? whatever.... :\
They're gonna charge whatever the market will bear. As long as the sell all they want at the price they ask, there is no reason to go lower. At the point people stop buying a current, expensive product, then incentives are given and/or price lowered till an item is a good seller again.
 
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And yet AGAIN people will defend a multi billion dollar company for doing bullshit practices.
 
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And yet AGAIN people will defend a multi billion dollar company for doing bullshit practices.
You mean a multibillion dollar company doing CAPITALISM. Yes, because that's kind of their thing. If they are selling cards for $150 and make a new version that performs a bit better and uses less power, how is it unreasonable to charge $175 for it? As long as people buy them they will keep pricing them up. There's also the fact that semiconductor manufacturing is getting expensive these days. 20nm is not a cheap node to manufacture on.
 
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So nVidia is going to charge a premium price for a mid level chip again? whatever.... :\
If you want nvidia to start leading with their "110" chips again and to knock off the Titan crap complain to AMD. Until they get their shit together we're stuck with nvidia doing the bare minimum for a premium price. Unfortunately because of the 7000s series sucking so bad nvidia has been on cruise control with Kepler, which means Maxwell will probably be the most polished chip of all time putting AMD further behind. Once you screw up like that it's damn near impossible to ever catch back up. Case and point, Intel vs AMD.
 
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The problem isn't with the chip. If Nvidia comes out with a chip in the size of Maxwell in the 750 card, but with a 50% extra performance compared to a GTX780, they have every right to sell it as a hi end. Not just that, I am also buying it.

I am buying it? Wait. The problem isn't with the chip. The problem is with the price. Nvidia is intentionally increasing the prices in the hi end sector. What you could buy with $500-600 in the past, costs $700-$1000 today or that's how much it will cost you, me, everybody tomorrow. So if that small chip with a 50% extra performance compared to GTX780 comes as a 880GTX at $900, well, they know what to do with it, better what to do with the whole card for better satisfaction.
 
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If you want nvidia to start leading with their "110" chips again and to knock off the Titan crap complain to AMD. Until they get their shit together we're stuck with nvidia doing the bare minimum for a premium price. Unfortunately because of the 7000s series sucking so bad nvidia has been on cruise control with Kepler, which means Maxwell will probably be the most polished chip of all time putting AMD further behind. Once you screw up like that it's damn near impossible to ever catch back up. Case and point, Intel vs AMD.
Forget AMD. AMD tried to do a price war with the 290's. That awful cooler was part of that strategy (keep the costs down) and the hardware sites didn't lose the chance to fire at will at AMD. You where getting $600-$700 performance(based on Nvidia's pricing) for $400-$550 and the hardware sites just found out how much more important it was the noise than the performance/dollar. Especially Tom's review was like it was written from Nvidia's marketing department.
Then the mining madness happen and the extra dollars from the price hikes didn't go into AMD's pockets but in the retailers pockets. So at AMD I am guessing they where hitting their heads in the wall for losing the chance to sell the cards at much better margins.
The result is AMD to follow the leader, Nvidia. So here we are with a metal case, a hydro cooler and $1500 price that make even Nvidia's marketing department at Tom's happy with the card(the price was in line with Nvidia's plans).
 
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I really don't see the need for 8gb of Vram, nothing will ever use so much Vram, I use 2 x 670GTX FTW's(4gb Vram) games very rarely ever uses 4gb..... even on 4k screens you may only see 4.5gb used.....So I see a 4gb version releasing with some 8gb version released later on. As we saw with the 4gb version 670/680's they literally halted no performance increase vs. the 2gb versions. So I expect the same result with the 880's.
 
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If you want nvidia to start leading with their "110" chips again and to knock off the Titan crap complain to AMD. Until they get their shit together we're stuck with nvidia doing the bare minimum for a premium price. Unfortunately because of the 7000s series sucking so bad nvidia has been on cruise control with Kepler, which means Maxwell will probably be the most polished chip of all time putting AMD further behind. Once you screw up like that it's damn near impossible to ever catch back up. Case and point, Intel vs AMD.
Amen!
 
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#97
The problem isn't with the chip. If Nvidia comes out with a chip in the size of Maxwell in the 750 card, but with a 50% extra performance compared to a GTX780, they have every right to sell it as a hi end. Not just that, I am also buying it.

I am buying it? Wait. The problem isn't with the chip. The problem is with the price. Nvidia is intentionally increasing the prices in the hi end sector. What you could buy with $500-600 in the past, costs $700-$1000 today or that's how much it will cost you, me, everybody tomorrow. So if that small chip with a 50% extra performance compared to GTX780 comes as a 880GTX at $900, well, they know what to do with it, better what to do with the whole card for better satisfaction.
The problem is that people don't realise they vote with their wallet, you want reasonable prices out of nvidia, let them know that then.
 

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#98
Are some of you new to tech news, pr spin begets pr spin and one bit of news that might mold what a consumer buys, naturally is countered by the other teams pr.
Look at what's said of next generation gpu's over the years and both this and the pirate island info are both realistic possibilities that's all, final steppings and binning might yet destroy all hope of a good 2015 (as I said ages ago) as 20nm is not looking stable.
Get off your high horse.
 
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#99
I feel the need to clear some things up, so here we go.

GTX 750 Ti is a maxwell core card base on 28NM and consumes about 55W at gaming.
If it was a 20NM card, it would probably consume 35W, concidering power save and penalty as-well.

If you take GTX 750Ti's power and double it, you would get performance around the GTX 770. (according to TPU). so 35W X2 + penalty = A 80W GTX 770+ card.

I dont see how impossible, a card that is about twice the GTX 770's power (so 640 GTX750 Ti's shaders times 4) for about 180W could be. Add another cube of GTX 750 Ti's power and what you would get is about a 210W power card, with 3200 shaders. You could limit it using a 256 bit bus and pair it with 4GB of memory

This pobability is far from being a unicorn. It is most likely that at 180W power consumption we will get something that beats the GTX 780 Ti without much effort. It is also a probability that for 230W we will get something that goes even further, a lot further.

I don't get people here.
Where do you get any of that information?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_750_Ti_OC/23.html

There is a huge increase in core voltage needed to attain the last bit of clock speed, and it becomes exponential as the core gets hotter and leakage increases, look at any GPU review, and you will notice this, the only exception to this rule is the minimal switching power required, and the 750Ti does a good job, at that, at lower core speeds the leakage is so minimal that the .95 volts it has doesn't mean anything in real power consumption, and it is only possible on that core as it is so small with so few shaders. If we attempted this with a larger core the power drop for the first increase in clock speeds would cause the hardware to fail during the clock state transition.


Now we have two options here, we can say, hey look at the 750Ti, it costs $150, and the R7 265 it costs $150.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_750_Ti/28.html

Even overclocked it doesn't reach the R7, which is 2 years old. So bad on them, if you are concerned about the few watts difference in idle and full power why are you even talking about a high power GPU?

The other option is you can say, is the 750Ti is a great first foray for nvidia to test something new, and despite its lack of GPU power for actual use since 2009 I hope they learn from it. But power consumption speculation and raw GPU power is and has been centered around the 300W ceiling for both companies for the last few generations, I don't see any reprise there, all I can see is the shrink should bring power consumption down per transistor and allow for more transistors and more raw compute power, core improvements and features will no doubt improve their IPC. Anything more than this is buffalo chips.
 
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