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Very likely. It's also equally likely that many AIB's will have offering that come in lower than $350. That happened with 2070/2080/2080ti, so it seems reasonable that it will happen with the 2060/2050(?).


Wrong, and every benchmark showing performance numbers bare that out as fact. The 2080 cleanly beats out the 1080 and beats out 1080ti if it doesn't match it. Also RTX offers advancements Pascal can not. The 2080/2080ti and RTX Titan are the best on the market. NVidia knows this and demands a premium price for it. If you don't want to pay that price, ok, don't buy one. Settle for less.

Key word there..

Try again, with those facts of yours. The cards are equal and the 2080 never cleanly beats a 1080ti. So the fact remains, its yesterdays' performance at full price, or more than full price, because 1080ti's were cheaper at multiple points in the recent past. The only situations it 'wins' are those with 20 FPS minimums or sub 30 FPS averages @ 4K.


Said it before, your comparison is pitting an FE 1080ti versus AIB 2080's. Nvidia played that very well. It would be good to realize it. Note how the 2080 OC gains literally zero FPS.

Its alright though, cognitive dissonance is a bitch, isn't it.

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You can't expect every new generation to be 100% faster than the last one, technology slows down naturally after hitting a peak. I really don't understand why people think the 20 series is a rip-off. You have high expectations for the upcoming AMD cards but it will be the same thing, a minor improvement, and die shrinks wont change that. Better get used to it that we hit a peak and new generations will only have a "minor" improvement over the last ones
 
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Very likely. It's also equally likely that many AIB's will have offering that come in lower than $350. That happened with 2070/2080/2080ti, so it seems reasonable that it will happen with the 2060/2050(?).


Wrong, and every benchmark showing performance numbers bare that out as fact. The 2080 cleanly beats out the 1080 and beats out 1080ti if it doesn't match it. Also RTX offers advancements Pascal can not. The 2080/2080ti and RTX Titan are the best on the market. NVidia knows this and demands a premium price for it. If you don't want to pay that price, ok, don't buy one. Settle for less.

Key word there..

The RTX2080 doesnt beat the gtx 1080ti and while it is better than 1080, is also way more expensive. Yeah it has ray tracing wich 0,1% of the games use.

The price vs performance ratio on this 2xxx gen is worse than the last 4 gens. Facts.
 
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With so many rumored variants it's hard to guess where the prices on these GPU's will fall.
 
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The RTX2080 doesnt beat the gtx 1080ti
Yes, it does, in many games. See below..
is also way more expensive.
When I looked at buying mine the 1080ti's were all $50 to $100 more expensive. Soooo, no.
Try again, with those facts of yours.
Try these for facts from TPU's own reviews;
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_RTX_2070_Strix_OC/31.html
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Or here;
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_RTX_2080_AMP_Extreme/31.html
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My EVGA 2080 performs similarly to this Zotac.
These are provable performance facts from the reviewers on this very site. You were saying?
 
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Yes, it does, in many games. See below..

When I looked at buying mine the 1080ti's were all $50 to $100 more expensive. Soooo, no.

Try these for facts from TPU's own reviews;
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_RTX_2070_Strix_OC/31.html
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Or here;
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_RTX_2080_AMP_Extreme/31.html
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My EVGA 2080 performs similarly to this Zotac.
These are provable performance facts from the reviewers on this very site. You were saying?

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Move on. Please. You're making a fool of yourself.
 
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Well i guess for 350$ or 300 euros it would be good card lacking competition from AMD atm.
 
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Move on. Please. You're making a fool of yourself.
I just proved you wrong, with fact based merit and I'm making a fool of myself? Keep telling yourself that..
 
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I just proved you wrong, with fact based merit and I'm making a fool of myself? Keep telling yourself that..

Do you not read? Do you not interpret the data you get presented and present yourself? TPU reviews a stock/FE 1080ti versus a nearly maxed out 2080. I said this when you bought your 2080. I said it here. I showed you sources that underline that.

Again: cognitive dissonance is at full force with you, you even fail to read when I highlighted and repeated the text right in front of you. Instead you happily ignore that, and proceed to present the same data as 'fact based merit'. Yes those numbers are facts, now check what they're based on. Hell - even TPUs testing show every RTX card within 2-3% stock vs OC.

My oh my. Remember that topic where you completely miscalculated millisecond delays? You needed four posts to have the penny drop. Just go back, take a deep breath, and read the whole thing start to finish. Try harder, you can do it!

Another example of your cognitive dissonance is saying 'when I bought my 2080, the 1080ti was more expensive'. That just means your timing sucks. Not that you suddenly had a good deal because you waited too long. Yesterdays performance.
 
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Ignorance is hard with this one. Ignored for good.
 
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Do you not read? Do you not interpret the data you get presented and present yourself? TPU reviews a stock/FE 1080ti versus a nearly maxed out 2080. I said this when you bought your 2080. I said it here. I showed you sources that underline that.

Again: cognitive dissonance is at full force with you, you even fail to read when I highlighted and repeated the text right in front of you. Instead you happily ignore that, and proceed to present the same data as 'fact based merit'. Yes those numbers are facts, now check what they're based on. Hell - even TPUs testing show every RTX card within 2-3% stock vs OC.

My oh my. Remember that topic where you completely miscalculated millisecond delays? You needed four posts to have the penny drop. Just go back, take a deep breath, and read the whole thing start to finish. Try harder, you can do it!

Another example of your cognitive dissonance is saying 'when I bought my 2080, the 1080ti was more expensive'. That just means your timing sucks. Not that you suddenly had a good deal because you waited too long. Yesterdays performance.

Also, according to his own logic, no one knows why he didn´t buy a RTX 2080ti instead, because afterall:

is really that difficult to save money for an extra month or two?

Why, as a consumer, complain about product pricing? is it that difficult to save money for 2 extra months? Logic of the day.
 
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Everyone is complaining about price. Is it really that expensive? And if so, is really that difficult to save money for an extra month or two?

You know the answer to that question all to well, 350$ for an x60 card is nuts and, no ,not everybody can do that. It it were that simple this wouldn't a matter of discussion, I have never seen a more weak and devoid of logic argument than this one. I am sorry, I can't help but notice how you always manage to find an excuse or explanation every time the value of this new lineup of cards is questioned. Incidentally you own one of those cards too, hmm.
 
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Again: cognitive dissonance is at full force with you, you even fail to read when I highlighted and repeated the text right in front of you. Instead you happily ignore that, and proceed to present the same data as 'fact based merit'. Yes those numbers are facts, now check what they're based on. Hell - even TPUs testing show every RTX card within 2-3% stock vs OC.

My oh my. Remember that topic where you completely miscalculated millisecond delays? You needed four posts to have the penny drop. Just go back, take a deep breath, and read the whole thing start to finish. Try harder, you can do it!

Another example of your cognitive dissonance is saying 'when I bought my 2080, the 1080ti was more expensive'. That just means your timing sucks. Not that you suddenly had a good deal because you waited too long. Yesterdays performance.
And like that conversation, you're ignoring and/or overlooking context. Or perhaps it's completely overhead like a Concorde at Mach 2. Try re-reading and paying close attention to choices of vocabulary..
Ignorance is hard with this one. Ignored for good.
Ok then, Bye bye.
You know the answer to that question all to well, 350$ for a x60 card is nuts and no not every one can do that.
I'm not saying it's a great price. I'm saying that the performance offered by the entire RTX line justifies the price in NVidia's eyes. As they set the prices and they call the shots the choice is save up to get one or not. Everyone can save money. If a person can't afford it, perhaps that person needs to re-examine their priorities.
Incidentally you own one of those cards too, hmm.
That's right. And I have no problem with the price I paid. The performance increase justifies it to me.
 
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And like that conversation, you're ignoring and/or overlooking context. Or perhaps it's completely overhead like a Concorde at Mach 2. Try re-reading and paying close attention to choices of vocabulary..

Ok then, Bye bye.

I'm not saying it's a great price. I'm saying that the performance offered by the entire RTX line justifies the price in NVidia's eyes. As they set the prices and they call the shots the choice is save up to get one or not. Everyone can save money. If a person can't afford it, perhaps that person needs to re-examine their priorities.

That's right. And I have no problem with the price I paid. The performance increase justifies it to me.

Cool. So we've established its not a great price. So its also not a great deal. You're happy with that. The performance of yesterday is justifiable to you at that price even though you could've had it much cheaper if you timed it right. Thank you. Let's move on.

*Note: you needed a full page this time instead of four posts.
 
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I'm saying that the performance offered by the entire RTX line justifies the price in NVidia's eyes.

That's not even worth mentioning, this matters to absolutely no one. No one buys something thinking to themselves, "Yeah this pile of cash is totally justified because Nvidia thinks so".


If a person can't afford it, perhaps that person needs to re-examine their priorities.

Shifting the entire weight of the argument on the buyer shows you have no footing in your logic. Give it up, you have nothing to back your opinion up. Of which I don't understand why you are being so adamant to stick by, no one has a problem with what you buy and how great of a value it was but you are trying to turn this into a fact of sorts.
 
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That's not even worth mentioning, this matters to absolutely no one. No one buys something thinking to themselves, "Yeah this pile of cash is totally justified because Nvidia thinks so".




Shifting the entire weight of the argument on the buyer shows you have no footing in your logic. Give it up, you have nothing to back your opinion up.

You know I'd drop this if it wasn't too much fun. Now its Nvidia's price that is justifiying the buyers' purchase and I'm not reading context :roll:

What's next? Inflation?
 
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1070ti performance not bad at all. But depends on the price I suppose. If 349 is for founders edition we can expect 250 to 300 for standard models. 8pin leads me to belive this will be higher then 1060 consumption which was around 120w.maybe this will consume 150w.
 
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No one buys something thinking to themselves, "Yeah this pile of cash is totally justified because Nvidia thinks so".
You're right. They buy it thinking: " Yeah I want this level of performance and I'm willing to spend this money to get it. "
Shifting the entire weight of the argument on the buyer shows you have no footing in your logic.
Your opinion. My logic is that not only of a buyer but also that of a retailer. And I'm building systems almost daily for people who want premium performance and are willing to pay for it. And most of the time it's for people who want the 2080ti. People arguing that these prices are to high are clearly out of touch with the buying public.

You know I'd drop this if it wasn't too much fun.
Right? :laugh: :toast: :roll:
 
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People arguing that these prices are to high are clearly out of touch with the buying public.

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Please, go play a game or something. I might die over here

*note how the curve is already plateau'd and no longer rising as it did at launch. Perhaps by 2020 it'll be 2%.
 
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Please, go play a game or something. I might die over here

*note how the curve is already plateau'd and no longer rising as it did at launch. Perhaps by 2020 it'll be 2%.
Oh please. You can not be serious with that...
 
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It's as serious as your claim that you cannot complain about pricing.
Oh, we can complain til the cows come home, but what good is it going to do? You think NVidia will change their minds?
So again, if someone wants the performance, they have to pay the price. If not get something else..
 
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Well i guess for 350$ or 300 euros it would be good card lacking competition from AMD atm.

On what planet a 350 USD GPU was ever lower in €? It will be 350€ at the very least, but not likely closer to 375€.
 
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