NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Super

[Pumper]

Ngreedia strikes again!!!

Right, I bet it has nothing to do with AMD releasing Navi at nvidia pricing.

 

[bug]

So basically a rebranded 2080.

A slightly cut down 2070 actually, but I see nothing kookoo about it. Cheaper than a 2070, too.

 

[Aquinus]

A slightly cut down 2070 actually, but I see nothing kookoo about it. Cheaper than a 2070, too.

It's a TU104, which is the chip used in the 2080, not a TU106 like the 2070. It's hard to not call it rebrand because that's exactly what it is.

 

[bug]

It's a TU104, which is the chip used in the 2080, not a TU106 like the 2070. It's hard to not call it rebrand because that's exactly what it is.

No it isn't. The 2060 Super is TU106.

 

[Aquinus]

No it isn't. The 2060 Super is TU106.

My bad, I thought I clicked the thread for the 2070 SUPER. Whoops. Either way, I think this entire release is a whole load of crap. When push comes to shove, they're all rebrands in one way or another.

 

[EarthDog]

My bad, I thought I clicked the thread for the 2070 SUPER. Whoops. Either way, I think this entire release is a whole load of crap. When push comes to shove, they're all rebrands in one way or another.

You'd prefer companies sit on their laurels between gens and not incrementally tweak their lineup to compete better in the market? I'm surprised!

Nobody made a claim these are anything but rebrands/tweaked cards. They keep the same name and add a suffix for clarity. The changes on these cards are more significant than say rx 480 to 580 to 590...and those are completely different names (at least the first two are literally clockspeed only changes - iirc)!!!!! Be pissed at AMD not nvidia... this is at least clear it's the same generation under the hood!

 

[bug]

My bad, I thought I clicked the thread for the 2070 SUPER. Whoops. Either way, I think this entire release is a whole load of crap. When push comes to shove, they're all rebrands in one way or another.

I had a feeling you were talking about the 2070 Super
As for "load of crap", would you prefer Nvidia continued selling the old 2060, 2070 and 2080?
I mean, I'm not blown away by the new cards, but I won't complain about more bang for my buck. Even if it's 15% or less.
And look at the bigger picture: the only competition is Navi which will offer roughly the same perf/$ ratio, but will still lose on power draw despite the node advantage. This gives Nvidia the option to sit pretty while 7nm fab capacity is at a premium and only jump on the bandwagon next year. They'd be crazy not to take it.

 

[Aquinus]

You'd prefer companies sit on their laurels between gens and not incrementally tweak their lineup to compete better in the market? I'm surprised!

I'd prefer them to adjust their prices and to not spend the resources developing a new lineup using the same technology.

would you prefer Nvidia continued selling the old 2060, 2070 and 2080?

Until there is a substantial change to be made, yes. That's exactly what I would expect.

 

[EarthDog]

I'd prefer them to adjust their prices and to not spend the resources developing a new lineup using the same technology.

That's another option, sure. But they have offered something better to the people for less for that resource investment.

But let's be clear, this is not a rebrand. Yes, it's the same gen, but it's a different core for the same card, not just increased clocks... which most would consider a true rebrand. I dont e en think the sensationalist press even uttered the word rebrand once the cards were in hand because of the significant differences. I can jump on your bandwagon if the name implies something different but it's pretty clear it's an improvement on the same gen.

Take this torch and pitch fork to camp amd for now.

 

[Aquinus]

But let's be clear, this is not a rebrand. Yes, it's the same gen, but it's a different core for the same card, not just increased clocks... which most would consider a true rebrand.

They shifted the lineup essentially by one card, but I've yet to see anything in these cards that weren't already done with the last lineup. The 2060 SUPER is basically a 2070 and the 2070 SUPER is practically a 2080. I'm not seeing anything new here which is why I call it a rebrand. AFAICT, nothing is really all that new about these cards other than the fact that it used to be on a higher model card.

 

[EarthDog]

They shifted the lineup essentially by one card, but I've yet to see anything in these cards that weren't already done with the last lineup. The 2060 SUPER is basically a 2070 and the 2070 SUPER is practically a 2080. I'm not seeing anything new here which is why I call it a rebrand. AFAICT, nothing is really all that new about these cards other than the fact that it used to be on a higher model card.

By a half card. There is still a few/several percent difference to the next tier up.

(See edits in earlier post)

Yes, it's a GPU from the tier up...we get that. It isnt new....nobosy said as much. But the point I'm trying to make is that the branding is clear it's the same gen and incremental. A rebrand implies the same hardware but with a different name. As you said, the 2060 has a 2070 core (different clock, note), 2070 has a 2080 core (different clocks, note), etc. It isnt the same thing.

Your head must have popped off with AMDs recent spate of true rebrands if this is "crap".

 

[bug]

They shifted the lineup essentially by one card, but I've yet to see anything in these cards that weren't already done with the last lineup. The 2060 SUPER is basically a 2070 and the 2070 SUPER is practically a 2080. I'm not seeing anything new here which is why I call it a rebrand. AFAICT, nothing is really all that new about these cards other than the fact that it used to be on a higher model card.

If you want to argue semantics, rebranding means taking an existing product and putting a different nametag or logo on it. While the new GPUs are in the same, existing family, they are all new configurations so technically they're not rebrands.
As for your wish about Nvidia essentially competing with themselves, it only shows you should not be entrusted with running a business

 

[Aquinus]

Your head must have popped off with AMDs recent spate of true rebrands.

I've never been happy with AMD doing it either and it hasn't been that long since the 2000-series was released. The 2000-series isn't even a year old and we're talking about cards at 400 USD or higher.

If you want to argue semantics, rebranding means taking an existing product and putting a different nametag or logo on it. While the new GPUs are in the same, existing family, they are all new configurations so technically they're not rebrands.

Technically the 590 isn't a rebrand either, but it might as well be.

As for your wish about Nvidia essentially competing with themselves, it only shows you should not be entrusted with running a business

AMD is about to release some Navi cards. This is nVidia being like "look at us, we have something too," except it's not new. It's different, sure, but it's not new. This is intended to be a direct counter to AMD comparing their upcoming cards to the 2060 and 2070 and I'm not convinced that it's going to have the kind of impact they expect it to have and investors seem to share that sentiment.

 

[bug]

AMD is about to release some Navi cards. This is nVidia being like "look at us, we have something too," except it's not new. It's different, sure, but it's not new. This is intended to be a direct counter to AMD comparing their upcoming cards to the 2060 and 2070 and I'm not convinced that it's going to have the kind of impact they expect it to have.

That's one way to look at it. Another one is, this is Nvidia looking at Navi and not really bothering. But we still get faster cards.

 

[EarthDog]

The 2000-series isn't even a year old and we're talking about cards at 400 USD or higher.

and the price of rice in China is..... ?

Sorry, I have no idea the relevance here...I'll get some coffee.

AMD is about to release some Navi cards. This is nVidia being like "look at us, we have something too," except it's not new. It's different, sure, but it's not new. This is intended to be a direct counter to AMD comparing their upcoming cards to the 2060 and 2070 and I'm not convinced that it's going to have the kind of impact they expect it to have.

It is stealing some thunder from 5700xt, sure. Gamesmanship. But it wasn't at the detriment of the consumer. It has improved the situation (not that it is good, the pricing, but better). 5700xt is low single digit percent better than a FE 2070 according to AMD's own slide (so cherry picked results in some cases). Nvidia just made sure it beats it AND lowered the price AND made the naming convention clear!!!! It's not all roses due to how RTX was priced initially, but it's an improvement (and NOT a true rebrand).

Honestly, how anyone with a half clue (which you Aquinas have a whole clue, sir) thinks this is not good blows my mind. I dont follow the logic.

 

[Frick]

Yeah I also remember how these cards barely made a jump in performance until we saw the 1060 - and only the 6GB at that.

660, 760 and 960 were pretty bad cards, and the 2060Super now joins that fantastic line up as another weak price/perf option. Its just not high end, and its just a bit too expensive.

But its wrong to compare Turing line up by model name. And not just Turing either. We ARE entering the realm of diminishing returns by now, and 2060-70-80 are closer together than ever before.

The GTx760 is still going strong for me, but otoh I didn't pay anything for it so...


As for me I'm still waiting for the €100 cards to have 4GB VRAM and be a good upgrade from the 760. The first one doing that gets my moneys.

 

[Aquinus]

Nvidia just made sure it beats it AND lowered the price AND made the naming convention clear!!!!

I definitely didn't make the naming convention clear, it overloaded the use of existing model numbers. If anything it was to confuse people and to allow marketing to use some well crafted words.

 

[EarthDog]

I definitely didn't make the naming convention clear, it overloaded the use of existing model numbers. If anything it was to confuse people and to allow marketing to use some well crafted words.

its more clear than AMD's true rebrands which infer a generational update.

I can see how rtx 2070 and rtx 2070 super priced less can be confused as the same exact card (sarcasm in case it was lost).

Anyway, I get your point, dont agree with its bunked assertions and they are "crap". At least admit it's a polished turd if you are going to label it crap. Lol

Cheers.

 

[bug]

I definitely didn't make the naming convention clear, it overloaded the use of existing model numbers. If anything it was to confuse people and to allow marketing to use some well crafted words.

Confuse people into what? The existing models are EOL.

 

[Zareek]

Right, I bet it has nothing to do with AMD releasing Navi at nvidia pricing.

Disappointing, I doubt the prices will stand for long unless there is no margin to cut like the Vega series.

 

[Renald]

Super rtx 2060 x rtx 2060, 18% more money for 13% more performance and 3% more power consumption.

Super rtx 2070 x rtx 2070, 3% more money for 11% more performance and 4% more power consumption.

The winner here hands down is the Super rtx 2070 but since the rtx 2060 has a 256 bit memory and got 13% more performance for just 3% more power. I call it a draw in performance / cost.

Well, you need to take the base in the equation

3% more of 2070 is 20$ : Total 400$
18% more of 2060 is 50$ : Total 500$

And RTX 2070 SUPER x RTX 2060 SUPER : +25% in price for +17% perf
where RTX 2070 x RTX 2060 : +40% in price for +18% perf

So it's a good improvement mostly for 2060 because it's closing the gap between 2060 vs 2070 (2070 was priced way too high)

And the last of all to prove it :
RTX 2060 SUPER x RTX 2070 : +20% in price for +4% in perf ==> As stated in the review, the RTX 2070 has no purpose anymore because it was overpriced.

Both gained, but 2060 gained a lot more, you can see it with perf/dollar chart on RTX 2070 Review.
I'm going to wait for reviews on 5700 to see what I'm buying

 

[Chrispy_]

If you pry the '2060 Super' badge off the front of the card, I bet the original 2060 logo is still there, hiding underneath.

I love it when AMD scare Nvidia or Intel into rushing out a hastily-relabelled product!

 

[Frutika007]

14,3% more expensive for 11% more performance.

What a progress...

You didn't count the VRAM increase,RT core increase,Tensor core increase. These didn't got the inclusion in that 11% more performance. Overall the price is very justifiable,since the AMD's offering costs about 20$ less and doesn't have any ray tracing or AI hardware.

 

[Vayra86]

You didn't count the VRAM increase,RT core increase,Tensor core increase. These didn't got the inclusion in that 11% more performance. Overall the price is very justifiable,since the AMD's offering costs about 20$ less and doesn't have any ray tracing or AI hardware.

And you forgot the factor of time. Its Q3 2019 now. We've had this performance for over 3 years and RT/Tensor is mostly dead weight. VRAM is irrelevant, because that is already reflected in overall performance and all cards have enough anyway.

All things considered the 2060 (non S) was long overdue at that price point and the 2060 Super is comparatively a very bad deal.

The 2070 Super however, is doing for the 1080ti what the 2060 (non S) did for the 1080. Bring price down considerably - albeit with a small performance deficit.