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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30-Series GPU Availability to Reportedly Worsen in Q1

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In my opinion, the Ampere cards where never meant to be this cheap, i.e. USD 699 for RTX 3080 and USD 499 for RTX 3070. There was an article that I read where AIB claimed that Nvidia is trying to bankrupt them at these prices. Nvidia basically dropped the price to a level that they know can't be sustained, and its apparant where demand outstrips supply significantly even before miners joins the fun. In addition, the price gap between the RTX 3090 and 3080 to me is another tell tale sign that the RTX 3080 was either not meant to be using the GA102 or it should have been priced in the USD 999 price range in the first place. Its because Nvidia wanted to get the upper hand against AMD's RDNA2 that they offered gamers an amazing deal that they know will force AMD to compete on price.
 
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RTX 3070 supposed to cost 499 USD
RTX 3080 supposed to cost 699 USD

If that were true...

Oh but it is true , you just don't comprehend how capitalism works ..........
 

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just gonna wait until fall of this year if i cant get one at msrp its not worth it.
 
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This is just amazing that they still have not been able to ramp up production of GPUs.

I mean Samsung must have started to manufacture GPUs like 6 months before 3080 release in September and still have not been able to increase production to a level so that it is improving the situation in the market.

Instead it is getting worse with less availability.

Also Nvidia is spreading them self thin by releasing more different GPUs like 3060 and a laptop GPUs. They should first put ALL manufacturing capacity into making enuf GA104 and GA102 GPUs before doing GA106 GPUs.

They could easily shelved laptop GPUs and GA106 for a while to get on track with supply, now it is just getting worse with not enuf of any GPU.

The tactics by Nvidia and partners now seem to be to increase prices over Scalping Levels just because they can thus punishing all the people that stood fast waiting to buy until there where more supply, now these people that have been waiting are forced to pay Scalping Level prices to Nvidia and partners.

MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT NVIDIA IS BEHIND THE BRUTAL PRICE INCREASE LATELY. In 2018 when graphic card sky rocketed in price Nvidia said it was not their doing, that they did not increase the price of GPUs to their partners. Then later when presenting financial results they had and much higher "almost insane" profit margin for their GPUs sales, how did this happen if they did not increase prices to their partners.

Nvidia wants to use the shortage to increase their profits, it is as simple as that. They do not care of all the people that have been waiting to buy until the supply got better, those people are now getting punished and have to pay Scalping prices in the shops instead.

You could say Nvidia is now scalping their own products, putting an insane inflated price tag on GPUs just because they can.

I'd like some of that conspiracy sauce that you're eating right now..
 
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Thank you all crypto miners who buy almost all available cards so that you can have them doing something which consumes incredible amounts of electrical power, contributes to pollution and produces ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Thank you all scalpers for buying what remains and sell it at incredibly high prices. I hope you all die of slow and agonizing deaths.
 
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I'd love to see a breakdown of what percentage of this problem is COVID, and what percentage of this problem is crypto.

Both of those things are temporary but man is it bad timing to get both demand spikes simultaneously.

Governments need to hurry the hell up and tax/regulate crypto. All those Terawatts of wasted energy just being used to pointlessly crunch money; So much for environmental responsibility....
 
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Here in Portugal there Will be PS5 available Next week, and for 399€ I Will get One and goodbye PC gaming cor me, apart from the ocasional RTS/strategy game on my laptop.
At some point in the future that occasional RTS/strategy game is going to require a laptop with a GPU that you can't buy.
 
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At some point in the future that occasional RTS/strategy game is going to require a laptop with a GPU that you can't buy.

And I won't. Most of the recent RTS I play now release on console anyway, like frostpunk, divinity or football manager and can even use Mouse keyboard, so... Not worried about that
 
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Governments need to hurry the hell up and tax/regulate crypto.

There's a problem with that, you tax too much and mining becomes unprofitable or it just moves to places where it isn't and you make no money from the taxation. What they'll do instead is tax it just enough so that it's still profitable so that mining doesn't go away and governments still make money from it.

In other words taxation wont make a difference.
 
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There's a problem with that, you tax too much and mining becomes unprofitable or it just moves to places where it isn't and you make no money from the taxation. What they'll do instead is tax it just enough so that it's still profitable so that mining doesn't go away and governments still make money from it.

In other words taxation wont make a difference.
Taxation alone won't, no. At some point in the future energy costs are going to need heavier taxing anyway because they'll need to offset the environmental costs. We're not at the stage yet where sea levels rising are displacing hundreds of millions of people but that milestone is going to be hella expensive and it's only a couple of decades away if you listen to the oceanography experts.
 
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Availability worsen in Q1? Is this joke of the years? How can already non existent retail supply of 3060TI/3080 worsen?
 
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PC gaming is not dying but I have more faith in Sony and MS to keep their prices down and increase production than I do Nvidia or AMD. All of the above are doing this for their bottom line but when the GPU alone costs more than a new console; PC gaming is certainly not growing and turning a lot of potential PC gamers off.
 
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Ngreedia makes me laugh every time they make excuses trying to justify their endless corporate greed. Their profit margin went from 30% to 63%!!! in just a decade. That's why GPUs have become so bloody expensive. It's not the R&D/production cost, it's holding market maker position and shareholder's greed that's driving prices up, pure and simple:
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Ngreedia makes me laugh every time they make excuses trying to justify their endless corporate greed. Their profit margin went from 30% to 63%!!! in just a decade. That's why gaming PCs has become so bloody expensive. It's not the R&D/production cost, it's shareholder's greed that's driving prices up, pure and simple:
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Last time I checked Nvidia did not force anyone to buy their products LOL.
How about taking your anti corruption fight against Amazon, Nestle and other evil corporations preying on small businesses or developing countries.
 
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Last time I checked Nvidia did not force anyone to buy their products LOL.
How about taking your anti corruption fight against Amazon, Nestle and other evil corporations preying on small businesses or developing countries.
We need revival of Antitrust laws because monopolies are popping up everywhere. 21st century is way worse than gilded age was, when robber barons were allowed to distort the markets. Antitrust laws are gonna be revived or streets will burn again. Status quo is not sustainable anymore as economical and social inequalities have become too great and obvious.
 
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The rise of the number of Steam players don't neccessarily mean significant rise in PC users as Steam stats also include laptop users.
 
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PC gaming is dying
There is $147 billion from `2020 that disagrees with that sentiment.

The way I see it Nvidia is directly selling cards to the mining community. As evidenced by the farms with dozens of 3080 and 3090 cards per farm. The question for me is where in the supply chain is the miner getting the card? Is it directly from the manufacturer like the Founders cards?
 
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There is $147 billion from `2020 that disagrees with that sentiment.

The way I see it Nvidia is directly selling cards to the mining community. As evidenced by the farms with dozens of 3080 and 3090 cards per farm. The question for me is where in the supply chain is the miner getting the card? Is it directly from the manufacturer like the Founders cards?
People need to quick boasting about PC/notebook sales figures.
Most of that is OEMs.
And most of the buyers are not gamers.

DIY desktop market is 16% or so (I'm being generous).

Ever rising price can indeed fend people off from "high end" PC gaming.
 
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People need to quick boasting about PC/notebook sales figures.
Most of that is OEMs.
And most of the buyers are not gamers.

DIY desktop market is 16% or so (I'm being generous).

Ever rising price can indeed fend people off from "high end" PC gaming.
That $147 billion is PC Game sales.

I do not disagree that the price may get too high for the average person but there are plenty of affluent people with access to Youtube and Amazon and Newegg. Some of the sheep even buy products directly from Youtube via links.

If nothing else the interest in DIY doubled in 2020 as evidenced by the growth of most tech Youtube channels.

I actually have a 6800XT and I am over the moon. It is the first card that I have that is faster than 2 Vega 64s in Games that support crossfire. As a result I have no remorse from my purchase. The 2080TI was the undisputed fastest GPU you could buy in 2019 but cost $2000 all day. In a machiavellian move it has been inserted into the mind of the sheep that as long as they can get a GPU that IS Faster than that price for anything below $2000 is value.
 
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That $147 billion is PC Game sales.
Oh, I see.
You are conflating "gaming market" with "PC gaming market".
$45.2 billion in 2020 is attributed to console games.

Lions share is mobile games, PC gaming market is... oh yeah, beaten by both consoles and mobile gaming:

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Last time I checked Nvidia did not force anyone to buy their products LOL.
How about taking your anti corruption fight against Amazon, Nestle and other evil corporations preying on small businesses or developing countries.

This. The market has moved in this direction for decades, it was clear as day and we all let it happen. We enabled Nvidia's current dominance, let us not forget that - and I still stand by it because realistically, the competition was simply absent for half a decade, so what else can you expect.

Now that the playing field has somewhat levelled, we would do wise to keep an open mind to both big brands, as we always might have - because now there truly is something to choose and as we have seen choices do matter. Buying into proprietary tech now, might not be the wise next move as a consumer for the long term - the development will happen anyway, and it'll likely happen in a better way with more equal market forces fighting each other.

Ergo if you want progress now's the time to vote and make the right long term choice. Not saying everyone should buy AMD - but weigh both colors honestly and perhaps discount the per-title advantages you find in green, because they're not geared towards long term presence as they are now.
 
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Oh, I see.
You are conflating "gaming market" with "PC gaming market".
$45.2 billion in 2020 is attributed to console games.

Lions share is mobile games, PC gaming market is... oh yeah, beaten by both consoles and mobile gaming:

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I was going on what was said at the AMD CES event by Lisa Su. It may indeed have comprised of the data you posted.
 
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