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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti & RTX 3070 Ti To Be Announced May 31st, Launching in June

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Good news. Another indirect admittance of defeat from nVidia. As they did with their Super line-up to confront Navi10, they are doing the same for Turing vs Navi2X. Competition improves the industry rapidly the last 3 years since AMD brought good products that stood very well in the CPU and GPU market in vfm and efficiency. If TSMC could produce more. the prices would be much better. And ofc the mining craze doesn't help at all for now.
 
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Good news. Another indirect admittance of defeat from nVidia. As they did with their Super line-up to confront Navi10, they are doing the same for Turing vs Navi2X. Competition improves the industry rapidly the last 3 years since AMD brought good products that stood very well in the CPU and GPU market in vfm and efficiency. If TSMC could produce more. the prices would be much better. And ofc the mining craze doesn't help at all for now.
Come on, Big Navi isn't even a competition if its availability is much much worse than anything from NV right now.
 
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Come on, Big Navi isn't even a competition if its availability is much much worse than anything from NV right now.
You are mixing the market position of the companies with the products that are heavily competing and matching each other. And on top of that, both nVidia and AMD sell their inventories instantly every day for months now either to miners directly or to AIBs. So, both their products are successful by default. And remember that Turing is better in mining than Navi arch.
 
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the mining performance will dictate the ebay price.. ebay being the only place they will be readily available..

currently on UK ebay..

£1850 will buy you a 3080.. up to 100 m/sh

£1200 will buy you a 3070.. up to 60 m/sh

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These prices are insane. Just a decade ago, I bought the top end GTX 580 for £400 and that was already very expensive. I expected that the top cards would stay at around this price, adjusted for inflation, as I could now afford the top end. But no, prices have skyrocketed to astronomical levels now, making it not worth it even if I could afford it. Mining is only part of the reason too. NVIDIA have simply increased prices and I can't believe that it's all down to the costs of manufacturing, either.

I bought my RTX 2080 SUPER as a stop-gap card back in March 2020 to get away from my ancient 780 Ti which just didn't cut it anymore, while I waited for the 30xx cards to come out. Looks like it's gonna become my permanent card now and if I ever get to upgrade it sometime in the future, two, to five years away, it's gonna end up only being to a midrange card of a much newer generation, which will offer better performance and features simply due to the generational gain. This sucks big time and is not the kind of thing that an enthusiast wants to be forced into.
Inflation, silicon shortage and etc.
 

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I don't expect either card to show up for long without price gouging. The problem is threefold imo.

Miners
Scalpers
Issues of shortages on the components that make up a card caused by the Pandemic and people being stuck at home that are looking to game as a form of entertainment.
 
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These prices are insane. Just a decade ago, I bought the top end GTX 580 for £400 and that was already very expensive. I expected that the top cards would stay at around this price, adjusted for inflation, as I could now afford the top end. But no, prices have skyrocketed to astronomical levels now, making it not worth it even if I could afford it. Mining is only part of the reason too. NVIDIA have simply increased prices and I can't believe that it's all down to the costs of manufacturing, either.

I bought my RTX 2080 SUPER as a stop-gap card back in March 2020 to get away from my ancient 780 Ti which just didn't cut it anymore, while I waited for the 30xx cards to come out. Looks like it's gonna become my permanent card now and if I ever get to upgrade it sometime in the future, two, to five years away, it's gonna end up only being to a midrange card of a much newer generation, which will offer better performance and features simply due to the generational gain. This sucks big time and is not the kind of thing that an enthusiast wants to be forced into.
As usual, a reminder: 5 years before the GTX 580 came out, Nvidia released the 8800 GT ultra for $860. Adjusted for inflation that is over $1100. PC hardware goes in cycles from low to high then back to low. You are in a high cycle right now. There's also the fact you are in an ACTIVE PANDEMIC. Shipping costs have skyrocketed, production is limited, there are shortages of almost everything related to electronics right now. Not to mention massive inflation from overprinting of currency in almost every major country on earth over the last year.

Comparing prices to day to 2010, when none of these things applied and instead we were in an active recession/depression is ludicrous.
 

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As usual, a reminder: 5 years before the GTX 580 came out, Nvidia released the 8800 GT ultra for $860. Adjusted for inflation that is over $1100. PC hardware goes in cycles from low to high then back to low. You are in a high cycle right now. There's also the fact you are in an ACTIVE PANDEMIC. Shipping costs have skyrocketed, production is limited, there are shortages of almost everything related to electronics right now. Not to mention massive inflation from overprinting of currency in almost every major country on earth over the last year.

Comparing prices to day to 2010, when none of these things applied and instead we were in an active recession/depression is ludicrous.
I get your points and they do affect the price, but I'm not being ludicrous. The prices were already pretty high before, such as with the 1080 Ti. I remember buying the GTX 285 before the 580 and that was much cheaper (I think it was actually £285, ironically. I'd have to double check my accounts). It's been on a fairly continuous upward trend, especially when NVIDIA introduced the TITAN cards at reassuringly expensive prices.

If you think that NVIDIA are gonna adjust the prices down again, then you're dreaming.
 
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I get your points and they do affect the price, but I'm not being ludicrous. The prices were already pretty high before, such as with the 1080 Ti. I remember buying the GTX 285 before the 580 and that was much cheaper (I think it was actually £285, ironically. I'd have to double check my accounts). It's been on a fairly continuous upward trend, especially when NVIDIA introduced the TITAN cards at reassuringly expensive prices.

If you think that NVIDIA are gonna adjust the prices down again, then you're dreaming.
Especially at what ludicrous prices people are paying now for GPU's? Of course they won't.

So I agree with you.
 
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I get your points and they do affect the price, but I'm not being ludicrous. The prices were already pretty high before, such as with the 1080 Ti. I remember buying the GTX 285 before the 580 and that was much cheaper (I think it was actually £285, ironically. I'd have to double check my accounts). It's been on a fairly continuous upward trend, especially when NVIDIA introduced the TITAN cards at reassuringly expensive prices.

If you think that NVIDIA are gonna adjust the prices down again, then you're dreaming.
I mean part of that is just inflation. $500 in 2010 is not the same as $500 today. That's hardly nvidia's fault, especially with the high price of modern process nodes.

The titan was ludicrous, as is the 3090, but that's hardly a surprise, back in the day we had silly expensive dual GPUs like the Mars III instead. The 580 today would be a $607 card, so yes the $700 for a 3080 is a bit steep, but OTOH process node price increases would likely explain much of the difference.

I just dont see the issue with MSRP pricing. Real world pricing is another issue entirely....
 

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These prices are insane. Just a decade ago, I bought the top end GTX 580 for £400 and that was already very expensive. I expected that the top cards would stay at around this price, adjusted for inflation, as I could now afford the top end. But no, prices have skyrocketed to astronomical levels now, making it not worth it even if I could afford it. Mining is only part of the reason too. NVIDIA have simply increased prices and I can't believe that it's all down to the costs of manufacturing, either.

I bought my RTX 2080 SUPER as a stop-gap card back in March 2020 to get away from my ancient 780 Ti which just didn't cut it anymore, while I waited for the 30xx cards to come out. Looks like it's gonna become my permanent card now and if I ever get to upgrade it sometime in the future, two, to five years away, it's gonna end up only being to a midrange card of a much newer generation, which will offer better performance and features simply due to the generational gain. This sucks big time and is not the kind of thing that an enthusiast wants to be forced into.
Multi GPU is pretty much dead at this point, thats why Nvidia and AMD is pushing 1000 dollars top-end GPU's with large dies and tons of VRAM

It's not something you need anyway. They are aimed at 4K/5K+ gaming. Most people should focus on 1440p and ~120 fps which have never been easier to optain. 4K/60 fps is pretty easy too.

Why do people INSIST on getting the absolute best when you can't afford one? Do you drive a Ferrari too, or do you simply buy a regular car to get from A to B?
 
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Multi GPU is pretty much dead at this point, thats why Nvidia and AMD is pushing 1000 dollars top-end GPU's.

It's not something you need anyway. They are aimed at 4K+ gaming. Most people should focus on 1440p and ~120 fps which have never been easier to optain. 4K 60 fps is pretty easy too.
So you know more then other consumers what those other consumers should be buying. Hmmmm..... Perhaps people want high Hz and high resolution? Just a thought.

And high prices DO have a trickle down effect. See also the utter lack of GPUs with a MSRP under $450 right now. Even the RTX 3050 is launching at elevated MSRP.
Why do people INSIST on getting the absolute best when you can't afford one? Do you drive a Ferrari too, or do you simply buy a regular car to get from A to B?
By that logic we'd still be playing at 1024x768.
 

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So you know more then other consumers what those other consumers should be buying. Hmmmm..... Perhaps people want high Hz and high resolution? Just a thought.

And high prices DO have a trickle down effect. See also the utter lack of GPUs with a MSRP under $450 right now. Even the RTX 3050 is launching at elevated MSRP.

By that logic we'd still be playing at 1024x768.

Makes no sense.. Lets see your high-end system them haha
 

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I mean part of that is just inflation. $500 in 2010 is not the same as $500 today. That's hardly nvidia's fault, especially with the high price of modern process nodes.

The titan was ludicrous, as is the 3090, but that's hardly a surprise, back in the day we had silly expensive dual GPUs like the Mars III instead. The 580 today would be a $607 card, so yes the $700 for a 3080 is a bit steep, but OTOH process node price increases would likely explain much of the difference.

I just dont see the issue with MSRP pricing. Real world pricing is another issue entirely....

Sure, that's why I said adjusted for inflation. Maybe you missed it, no biggie. :)

You could well be right that these single top end GPUs replacing the price point of dual GPUs, I hadn't thought of that. It still amounts to the same thing though, that I can't buy a top end single GPU card without spending insane money and that really does tick me off.

Leaving aside covid, silicon shortages and other allegedly "temporary" factors, I'm not convinced that the modern process nodes would add all that much to the price, if at all. If anyone's got an expert opinion on this one, I'm happy to be corrected though.

Multi GPU is pretty much dead at this point, thats why Nvidia and AMD is pushing 1000 dollars top-end GPU's with large dies and tons of VRAM

It's not something you need anyway. They are aimed at 4K/5K+ gaming. Most people should focus on 1440p and ~120 fps which have never been easier to optain. 4K/60 fps is pretty easy too.

Why do people INSIST on getting the absolute best when you can't afford one? Do you drive a Ferrari too, or do you simply buy a regular car to get from A to B?
My point is that I could get the absolute best single GPU card just a decade ago without breaking the bank (see my post about the GTX 580 from a decade ago (time flies)) a few posts up. I was able to get the top end 780 Ti in 2014, but I've since then had to settle for second best, the GTX 1080 and RTX 2080 SUPER, but the pricing trend is still increasing, so it seems to me that it's quite likely that by the time GPU availability returns to some semblance of normality again, I'll only be able to afford a midrange card and that sucks. We can analyse all the reasons why this is happening and can make for interesting conversation, but the bottom line is that I'm prevented from getting the card I want due to inflated pricing and that ticks me off. I'm not being unreasonable, either.

So, your point doesn't really stand scrutiny and it's also not for you or me to say what resolution and framerate someone should be gaming at.

This is like the most unenthusiastic flagship Ti launch ever. We all know it's going to be as rare as astatine.
What's astatine? Oh, hang on, point made beautifully! :D
 
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And also the 3070 Ti which will just be a 3070 equipped with the same amount of VRAM, except they're a hot mess now thanks to G6X. I'll hold on to my 3070 for the next 5 years or so. GDDR6 looks good.
 
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I'm in need of a good laugh. I'd like to hear what nvidia's MSRP will be.
 
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I'm in need of a good laugh. I'd like to hear what nvidia's MSRP will be.

yes low enough to look good compared to whatever amd has to offer but not high enough to keep them in stock at retailers.. but it will be interesting to see what they come up with.. :)

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These prices are insane. Just a decade ago, I bought the top end GTX 580 for £400 and that was already very expensive. I expected that the top cards would stay at around this price, adjusted for inflation, as I could now afford the top end. But no, prices have skyrocketed to astronomical levels now, making it not worth it even if I could afford it. Mining is only part of the reason too. NVIDIA have simply increased prices and I can't believe that it's all down to the costs of manufacturing, either.

I bought my RTX 2080 SUPER as a stop-gap card back in March 2020 to get away from my ancient 780 Ti which just didn't cut it anymore, while I waited for the 30xx cards to come out. Looks like it's gonna become my permanent card now and if I ever get to upgrade it sometime in the future, two, to five years away, it's gonna end up only being to a midrange card of a much newer generation, which will offer better performance and features simply due to the generational gain. This sucks big time and is not the kind of thing that an enthusiast wants to be forced into.
I totally agree with a few things to add:

Not only prices have skyrocketed, but demands as well. I mean, it took a while for 1080p to become the standard resolution, and while I still don't feel any push to want more, you're bombarded with things like "4K is the future", and "ultimate 8K gaming GPU" and the idea of super high framerates that you can't even see, but they sell it to you anyway. You also have ray tracing and other extras that are not strictly necessary for gaming, but demand enormous graphics power nonetheless. If you want to play games at modest resolutions and settings, even a GTX 960 does the job just fine. That's a mid-range GPU from 6 years ago. You couldn't do this in the late 90s and early 2000s.

As much as it is upsetting, I somewhat understand hardware manufacturers for increasing prices. The silicon shortage is one thing, but if you think about it, they're selling products that are falling deeper and deeper into the category of luxury. You don't need an RTX 3060 to "just play games".

From a personal point of view: I've recently downgraded from an RX 5700 XT to a GTX 1650 low profile, and I love it. It runs everything nicely at 1080p, it's a bit cooler and a lot quieter (and smaller of course).
 
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I think these will be the two cards that gamers will even have a chance at getting their hands on, because the real problems are because of miners and scalpers. Miners just take whatever fucking cards they see at will, and use them for money because they can't get a job or even do deliveries with doordash/uber eats and make 20$/Hr +... sorry for the rant. I just hate how because of other's selfishness i can't even get a card at MSRP. Anyways, I really hope with the lite hash rate, it will finally stop miners (I can only hope) from hoarding these cards, and they will stop buying these before they even go on sale, and maybe gamers will finally have two cards they can get their hands on.
 
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I think these will be the two cards that gamers will even have a chance at getting their hands on, because the real problems are because of miners and scalpers. Miners just take whatever fucking cards they see at will, and use them for money because they can't get a job or even do deliveries with doordash/uber eats and make 20$/Hr +... sorry for the rant. I just hate how because of other's selfishness i can't even get a card at MSRP. Anyways, I really hope with the lite hash rate, it will finally stop miners (I can only hope) from hoarding these cards, and they will stop buying these before they even go on sale, and maybe gamers will finally have two cards they can get their hands on.
Well, its like this. Not that I wish it upon them or anything like that, but I think a good portion of those individuals who are deliberately taking advantage of the situation are going to get screwed in the end, particularly the asspigs that are buying up all of the cards and reselling them at double(or more) the MSRP "just because they can" in order to make money. If and when they get their turn, its going to be like that one scene from Deliverance:
Mountain Man : What we, uh, "re-quire" is that you get your god-damn asses up in them woods.
Mountain Man : I bet you can squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee!

I don't see how they're going to castrate crypto-mining with these cards without it affecting gaming. Unless they somehow manage to build it into the hardware, all it will take is one determined individual to crack the software.
 
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Well, its like this. Not that I wish it upon them or anything like that, but I think a good portion of those individuals who are deliberately taking advantage of the situation are going to get screwed in the end, particularly the asspigs that are buying up all of the cards and reselling them at double(or more) the MSRP "just because they can" in order to make money. If and when they get their turn, its going to be like that one scene from Deliverance:
Mountain Man : What we, uh, "re-quire" is that you get your god-damn asses up in them woods.
Mountain Man : I bet you can squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee!

I don't see how they're going to castrate crypto-mining with these cards without it affecting gaming. Unless they somehow manage to build it into the hardware, all it will take is one determined individual to crack the software.

out of curiosity, how will they face justice?

Scalping is just something that has always existed. I remember standing in line at ticket booths back in the day for Iron Maiden concerts to have scalpers sell tickets that they all bought from the booth.

I don't know. I don't have that same faith as you may have.
 
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out of curiosity, how will they face justice?

Scalping is just something that has always existed. I remember standing in line at ticket booths back in the day for Iron Maiden concerts to have scalpers sell tickets that they all bought from the booth.

I don't know. I don't have that same faith as you may have.
Probably because you and I don't have the same idea when it comes to justice. What exactly are we suppose to do, complain to the government that a bunch of idiots are manipulating the market of certain non-essential goods to rip people off? Track down the scalpers and rob them blind or throw them in jail with hefty fines?

If you really want to get to the root of the problem with some semblance of justice, you also have to go after the sellers/resellers that are allowing the scalpers to buy such a large quantity.
 
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