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It is said that the Heaven Benchmark crashed (or was it their physx demo called Supersonic Sled..not sure) on Fermi over at Beyond3D.
 
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If any of that is true Nvidia is pulling a HD2900 on us. If so I would skip that garbage........If its true.

Edit: Damn its in French. I cant seem to copy the text.
Interesting you mention the 2900 as the 2900 was ATI's first card with tesselation, which was originally in DX10 specs. When they were late MS dropped several of the reqs. for DX10 in order to have cards ready for launch. now ati is into their stride with tesselation hardware and other DX11 features where this is NV's first crack at full support. I think the scope of the chip was just to eager and to expect (or actually demand) 0% leakage is being overly optomistic.
I think it will turn into a 2900 scenario but how NV handles it will determine how well they succeed in future generations. If they kick the dirt and stomp and blame DX11 or TSMC they will be destined to a few lean generations. If they suck it up and learn from the mistakes then they can have a card out by next spring with 2x the power.
 
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Honestly I want Nvidia to come with it. Honestly we all would win if they do. We need a good price war :D
 

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I see 8 yellow and blue lines to feed this monster. Perhaps they realized they needed the extra juice, and since it was such a bad thing to ahve 8+8 they did extra power lines to the connector to keep it as a 8+6 connector?

So we now have the possibility of more than 300W to power this beast?


Really considering that it is supposed to be more powerful than a energy sipping 5870 it isn't a far fetched idea. More computational power means more electrical power, means more heat. So now to run one of these you will need a new PSU to run it efficiently.

And is it me or is that card running vertical? Do they really need that much extra air movement to use a ATI style blower, and they are forced to use draft from the direction of the card to keep it cool? Then again if it is dumping 350W or more of heat.........
Again, it is an 8-pin with a 6-pin coming out of it, likely tied back to keep it neat.

Judging by the stickers labelling each connector it looks like a Silverstone power suppply, and if you look at some silverstone power suppplies, it is actually pretty common for them to run a 6-pin out of the 8-pin. Look at the OP1000-P if you want an example, in the shot of the 8-pin there are clearly more cables than need, because the 6-pin is running out of it. There isn't sleeving like in the pics, but for all we know nVidia is using a power supply from Silverstone that hasn't even hit the market yet.
 

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Honestly I want Nvidia to come with it. Honestly we all would win if they do. We need a good price war :D
Absolultely, I want it to be good too. I was just expanding on the current events in the thread. The simularity that both launches were the first to have hardware dedicated for tesselation seems like more than a coincidence. I think it is probably hte achilles heel in both of these examples. As we know if a part of a chip doesn't work propely it generally has leakage issues.
 
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bring it nv so i can get a 200 dollar 5850
 
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Holla.


I still woudl buy this green giant if it delivers on performance and price. I have water cooling and it won't make my temps rise enough to worry about. But i'm not paying $600 for a single GPU solution that only performs as well as a $385 solution from another company.


I really think NV has some power and heat issues that ATI took their loss on long ago by moving to a new archatecture. Much like a car where throwing more displacement and money at it makes it go faster, but a better optomized and designed car will still perform without the issues, NV may yet suprize us with a turd.
 
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And I think you've been dipping a bit too much into the red cool-aid. Honestly let's wait for some benches first and then start speculating if this card will melt down the polar ice caps :p
 

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Holla.


I still woudl buy this green giant if it delivers on performance and price. I have water cooling and it won't make my temps rise enough to worry about. But i'm not paying $600 for a single GPU solution that only performs as well as a $385 solution from another company.


I really think NV has some power and heat issues that ATI took their loss on long ago by moving to a new archatecture. Much like a car where throwing more displacement and money at it makes it go faster, but a better optomized and designed car will still perform without the issues, NV may yet suprize us with a turd.
This thing is definitely going to be putting out more heat when at full blast than an HD5870, I expect power and heat to be similar to an HD5970, and I also expect performance to be similar to that also though.

I also know that there won't be just one model, and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw cut down lower models performing similar to the HD5870 and having similar heat and power characteristics.

I don't believe watercooling will be necessary for single or even dual card configurations, triple SLi(and Crossfire) has always presented heat issues because the cards are so close together. And of course the watercooled other parts of the computer too, so it might have just been done to attract attention to the rig.
 

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We just have to wait and see. If it can run under 90 degrees C at max. load with stock cooling and stock fan speed, I'll be happy. If it has low idle power consumption like the GT200 series, I'll be happy. If it does not eat any more power than a 5970 at load, I'll be happy. If it can overclock by at least 10% without a voltage bump, I'll be happy. If it beats a 5870 by at least say, 22%, I'll be happy.

NV has never fallen behind ATI since the R300 days, and that was only because there NV got a bit lazy with the Geforce 4 series after having no real competition for a couple years, and could not prepare their FX series in time. Even if the Fermi is a kinda new architecture, NV must have been preparing for this for a while. It's just TSMC process to blame, I would like to think.

(NV did get a bit behind ATI for like 6 months in 1H 2006 after the X1900XTX took them by surprise, but not by much more than 10% anyways, and that was after having a 100% advantage over ATI with the 7800GTX for nearly 6 months in 2H 2005).
 

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This is great that there are new PSU's with high-quality yellow/blue 12V wires that can probably handle 5A or even 6A current (75W) each. No biggie, but that's good to see.
 
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...Element V Nvidia Edition chassis also incorporated graphic card “air duct” system engineered by Thermaltake and Nvidia to provide added cooling for high-performance 3-way SLI or Quad SLI setup based on Nvidia’s next generation of enthusiast graphic card. The proprietary “air duct” system brings cool and fresh air directly from the outside of the chassis and accelerates it to graphic card’s intake to increase heat displacement and achieve optimal cooling efficiency. Without Nvidia SLI certified chassis, system powered by the next generation of high-performance graphic cards may not be able to operate at their highest setting due to inadequate cooling...
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HUH!? Ok, I don't recall multi video card setups needing specific cooling solutions. Is this marketing or is this really needed...hard to say.
 
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why 3 pci-e power , and seems 3x8 pin power, with quad SLI you need a generator not a PSU
 

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That picture is tricky, but I've finally understand it. There aren't 2 cables in 1 connector, is just that the connector is in serial with another one, and that cable is bended, so it gives the sensation of 3 cables there, haha! Nice illusion. :D


Regarding the card, it will definitely be faster that 5870, the question is how much more expensive it will be, and how much power hungry?
 
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rotated like this are more better and give a solid idea how it looks like.

 
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That picture is tricky, but I've finally understand it. There aren't 2 cables in 1 connector, is just that the connector is in serial with another one, and that cable is bended, so it gives the sensation of 3 cables there, haha! Nice illusion. :D


Regarding the card, it will definitely be faster that 5870, the question is how much more expensive it will be, and how much power hungry?


http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1706875&postcount=14

:banghead: btrunr addresses that in the first page!!!! Everything is well explained from the start. The thing started finished and started again. If people actually read before posting... :shadedshu

Not only directed at you, Tavix, it's for all the people still comenting on the cables.
 
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Based on everything I've read so far, it seems realistically this card will be at most 10% faster than a 5870/295. It will most likely have very limited overclocking potential, bumping from a probable 600 MHz base clock to 680-700 mhz max overclock. I'd say in that scenario a 5870 overclocked to 1000 MHz could probably match a 380 GTX (guessing on the name) overclocked to 700 MHz.

So we'll most likely see the same overclock performance from both cards. Given that, despite the 380 GTX being pricier I'd still buy it for the ability to max GTA (1.5 GB mem standard) and for nvidia's vastly better drivers. It just seems like a better package to me.
 
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When they have extra power wires going to power their cards, and they are supposed to be making the card as we speak to go on the shelf. It is a problem, when the cards are obviously drawing more power than the original connector can provide, it does spell issues for users with standard connectors. Missing 50W of power can cause some issues.
Your really willing to make all these alogations and conclusions, on 1 picture.. . . .:wtf:

Let it go and wait for a production model and a review, before you go slinging mud and condeming this product, sad very sad.:shadedshu
 

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In a way its great that they are keeping real performance numbers very secret, I suppose they want to catch ATi off guard when they release it, so that they can have the crown back for at least a few months before a refreshed 5k ATi card. If we knew now what it was going to produce, ATi could maybe have something equal or better out when Fermi is released.

I still get the feeling that even if Fermi is mind blowingly awesome, a 5970 OC quite heavily, or Trifire with a 5850 will still beat one of them, but what i really want is lower prices all round, so I can either buy a Fermi card, or another 5870 or maybe a 5970 :)
 
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In a way its great that they are keeping real performance numbers very secret, I suppose they want to catch ATi off guard when they release it, so that they can have the crown back for at least a few months before a refreshed 5k ATi card. If we knew now what it was going to produce, ATi could maybe have something equal or better out when Fermi is released.

I still get the feeling that even if Fermi is mind blowingly awesome, a 5970 OC quite heavily, or Trifire with a 5850 will still beat one of them, but what i really want is lower prices all round, so I can either buy a Fermi card, or another 5870 or maybe a 5970 :)
Has anyone seen this?

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17166/1/

I think the "refresh" is already here
 
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