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NVIDIA Plans to Nuke R700

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NVIDIA Plans to Nuke R700?

Let's face it, the ATI RV770 and its derivatives have become a rage. Everybody loves this chip and wants a card based on this, be it the card that made NVIDIA slash their prices, the HD4850 or the HD4870 which rivals the GeForce GTX 260 at a decent price. In surveys conducted by several websites, be it TweakTown or Hexus.net, majority community members chose ATI as a brand over NVIDIA, rougly indicating that the HD4000 series has done an excellent repair job with ATI and its brand value.

Nothing (exciting) is going NVIDIA's way these days, their notebook graphics division has taken a beating over the recent faulty parts issue. The NVDA stock is a little volatile at the stock market these days, after the company announced it predicts weaker earnings this quarter financial year. Here's something to ponder: If NVIDIA predicts weaker earnings, how come talks are they have something to counter the R700, which AMD already made statements about, saying it will "overwhelm the GeForce GTX 280"?

NordicHardware reports that something is in the making from NVIDIA, while not exactly sure, it just could be a 55nm fab processed GPU, could be G200b (55nm die-shrunk GeForce GTX 280?). While unreliable sources have always been pointing that NVIDIA has a very shallow roadmap for the time-being, and that we can't expect something revolutionary anytime soon, contradictory reports already followed, again from NordicHardware in a report that NVIDIA could release DirectX 10.1 GPU's by late Q4 2008 to spring 2009, but a point we would have ignored then but holds the key to this news is "NVIDIA could implement GDDR5 memory within 2008". How come they didn't mix the GDDR5 bit with the late-Q4 '08 early Q1 '09 for DX 10.1 GPU part? Does it imply that in the very near future we could just see a current generation NVIDIA GPU with GDDR5 memory? So could the new product NVIDIA reveals sometime in September be the one that's a die-shrunk G200 with GDDR5 memory? Time will tell. What can be said for sure is that NVIDIA is not in a comfortable position right now, definitly not with the R700 dressing up to go to office.

With inputs from NordicHardware
 
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you shouldn't of posted this, it's hearsay not news. D12U has been out there for atleast 6 months.

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With ATI already having DX10.1 going to 55nm is their best bet now, although i doubt going from 65nm to 55nm will make heat/power and most important price issue alot less, especially if they want to implement DDR5 which will cost more than they will save on going to 55nm.

I really think Nvidia didnt expect this, and there is no way to counter ATI on the short term cause even the GTX280 while overly expensive is going to be the fastest card on the market for only 2 months for when the 4870x2 is out, with really no reason to buy either a GTX260 or 280 cause ATI has a card in all those performance brackets that perform better for less money.
 
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I don't doubt it or your intentions. D12U isn't new, nVidia and GDDR5 isn't new. but that entire article is hearsay you shouldn't post anything unless nvidia releases a graphical road map. if jimmy was here he would probably say the same and I know malware would because he is a PITA :p

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Im tripping balls.. I thought the title was ATI Pland to nuke R700 lol
 

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I don't doubt it or your intentions. D12U isn't new, nVidia and GDDR5 isn't new. but that entire article is hearsay you shouldn't post anything unless nvidia releases a graphical road map. if jimmy was here he would probably say the same and I know malware would because he is a PITA :p

- Christine
Why do you need a roadmap when everyone (NH, bit-tech, etc.) are posting similar articles? That too as news, some of them by reputed authors? Sure, news about D12U isn't new, but the arch. is slated for late 2009, a very late product. When NH says there is a product geared to take on R700 and also seperately says it has access to roadmap slides which it's not willing to publish which shows GDDR5 within this year, how doesn't it form part of the article.
 

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2 words: Do it

Its obvious that no one GPU will beat this thing. If they want to shoot themselves in the other foot as well then I welcome them to do so. A GX2 derivative of the g200b might be possible but its still just hearsay. It also won't be economical for NV to do that one bit but if they want the crown back that badly then oh well. But it will do them no good to have it cost $800-1000 when the thing they're trying to beat only cost $500. The monotony is starting to get very old.
 
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I used to send bits in like this malware chewed my ass out once you should talk to him he can explain it better.

bit-tech was an analysis, nordic was hearsay. I don't consider analysis or hearsay "news" Intel Larrabee Capable of 2 TFLOPs thats news.

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I used to send bits in like this malware chewed my ass out once you should talk to him he can explain it better.

bit-tech was an analysis, nordic was hearsay. I don't consider analysis or hearsay "news"

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Mal is on a study leave. I've always taken w1z's permission with articles. He's not around now. I'll have a word.
 
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i'm not saying you shouldn't post news. just be more selective.

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nvidia doesnt like to lose, and theyre hardly "losing" now, but i am confident they could crush R700 if they pulled the finger out.
 
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Woot. More competition! Hooray for prices being driven down! Congrats nvidia and AMD. (Well thats if Nvidia, contribute their part).

Lets hope GPUDEFCON doesnt happen :laugh:

Anyway, AMD with their RV7xx GPUs, you have to rememeber there wasnt a huge amount of R&D into it due to the fact that its a tweaked R600; it would be natural to expect AMD is nearing completing the R800s.
 
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nvidia can't fight ati using ati weapons, ati know them technology and use it well and they have along way with experiences in this technology , they must try other way , just like the physics technology which is it work before
 

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All I know is if the GTX 260 is under 250$ im getting that instead of a 4850. Hurray for competition!
 

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dude if your heart is really set on buying a 260GTX, might aswell do it now because the longer you wait the closer the card comes to being obsolete, and if you like the company so much, might aswell support them with your wallet.
 

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All I know is if the GTX 260 is under 250$ im getting that instead of a 4850. Hurray for competition!
Ive got a feeling that if the 260 dropped that much by price , the faster 4870 will be even cheaper then.
 
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I am so tired of NVIDIA GREED... The last thing they made worth the price was the 8800GTX and that is it..And I see the 9800GX2 coming down to $399.99 which is a steal. But the 280GTX price of $649.99 when it came out just pissed me off. So no more NVIDIA for me for a while.. I am not sure if anyone has noticed this but when NVIDIA on top they prices are thru the roof. And when they are not they are fair normal price. So I am glad NVIDIA is not on top because we all WIN WIN WIN and $AVE $AVE $AVE...
 

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I am so tired of NVIDIA GREED... The last thing they made worth the price was the 8800GTX and that is it..And I see the 9800GX2 coming down to $399.99 which is a steal. But the 280GTX price of $649.99 when it came out just pissed me off. So no more NVIDIA for me for a while.. I am not sure if anyone has noticed this but when NVIDIA on top they prices are thru the roof. And when they are not they are fair normal price. So I am glad NVIDIA is not on top because we all WIN WIN WIN and $AVE $AVE $AVE...
well then you better pick up a card now before they are ontop again.
 

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well it really doesn't matter how powerful the card is, if it were to be priced at >$800....
i cannot afford it....
 
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I am so tired of NVIDIA GREED... The last thing they made worth the price was the 8800GTX and that is it..And I see the 9800GX2 coming down to $399.99 which is a steal. But the 280GTX price of $649.99 when it came out just pissed me off. So no more NVIDIA for me for a while.. I am not sure if anyone has noticed this but when NVIDIA on top they prices are thru the roof. And when they are not they are fair normal price. So I am glad NVIDIA is not on top because we all WIN WIN WIN and $AVE $AVE $AVE...


me too , that this the make me see ati is better , and i want to leave nvidia too
 
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What should worry nvidia is the fact that the R700 = optimised R600; therefore AMD could have been working on the R800s already, according to the not-so-reliable wikipedia they've already finished the specs of the R900; R800 is yet to be exposed to the public.
 

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NVIDIA Plans to Nuke R700?. What makes this different than any other time ?. There about to try some thing.