• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

NVIDIA Presents the TITAN RTX 24GB Graphics Card at $2,499

Joined
Jan 8, 2017
Messages
3,921 (4.87/day)
Likes
3,035
System Name Good enough
Processor AMD Ryzen R7 1700X - 4.0 Ghz / 1.350V
Motherboard ASRock B450M Pro4
Cooling Scythe Katana 4 - 3x 120mm case fans
Memory 16GB - Corsair Vengeance LPX
Video Card(s) OEM Dell GTX 1080
Storage 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Display(s) 4K Samsung TV
Case Zalman R1
Power Supply 500W
#51
I am not even stressing about this anymore, it is what it is...AMD nowhere near the performance so no competition so these numbers are not that shocking anymore.
May I point out how the 1000$ Titan brand was introduced 5 years ago ? And how the 8800 Ultra who was also nearly 1000$ ,5 years prior ? Surely within that time span AMD was at least a couple of times competitive, so what gives ? Competition does not drive prices down by it self, this has been proven time and time again, just look at the history of every industry out there. Take smartphones, the competition there is insane yet what do you know, we also got 1000$ phones.

This 1k$ figure shows up a lot it seems, why do you think that is ? It's because of the competition ? Nah, it's because of your wallet. Matter of the fact is AMD could come out with a card 10x faster , if they price it the same as Nvdia, it will sell. Because currently, that's the buying power of those types of customers.

Companies do not compete for who has the best product or who sells most products or who can sell them for cheapest, they ultimately compete for who can have the biggest profits.

Who said anything about CPU? Would you buy four TITAN RTX cards for $10,000 (4x 144 = 576 FP64 cores), or one Tesla V100 for the same price (2560 FP64 cores)?
That's not the point of what I said. ~500 GFLOPS of DP is still a lot extra compute performance should you need it, it's not as useless as you may think it is. Of course there are cards out here with more DP performance.
 
Joined
Oct 29, 2018
Messages
96 (0.66/day)
Likes
65
#52
I was looking forward to release of Titan RTX hoping to get some cheaper 64-bit double precision math performance out of it and now this: Titan RTX = 0.51 TFLOPS Double Precision FP64, my old Titan V is giving me 6.9 TFLOPS FP64! This is a huge downgrade for anyone doing math modeling. Yet another NVidias' product segmentation. They deliberately crippled double precision performance on Titan RTX. The only current choice remaining for us pro users is Tesla V100 with $10K price tag. I paid $8.5K for triple Titan V GPUs giving me nearly 21 TFLOPS of FP64 and I'd have to pay $30K for 21 FP64 performance now. Where is the logic in that? NVidia has gone completely loco with pricing. When my Titans V die on me I'll go for AMD VEGA Instinct MI60 if price is more normal. If not, I'm f...ed.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 31, 2009
Messages
13,887 (4.12/day)
Likes
8,040
#53
AMD has always been competitive in the price to performance market, but not so much in that high-end space. I think their $1500 flagship (r9 295x2) was the last thing they had in the high end space... and that was a dual GPU solution using 500W of power. The 8800 Ultra debuted with an MSRP of $829. I suppose 18% off of $1000 is 'nearly' (as in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear war... close enough). The 290x out of the box was 13% slower than a 780 Ti without using its 'uber' mode and 8% with it (according to TPU review of 780Ti). That, IIRC, was about the closest they came in those 10 years.

Competition is in fact one variable which can (but not always) drives prices down (the absolute nature of you words make that passage incorrect). Another variable about pricing is what the market supports (as you said). If there is zero competition at that performance segment and the market supports it.. guess what.... we have pricey cards. But it isn't a case of the chicken or the egg.

I was looking forward to release of Titan RTX hoping to get some cheaper 64-bit double precision math performance out of it and now this: Titan RTX = 0.51 TFLOPS Double Precision FP64, my old Titan V is giving me 6.9 TFLOPS FP64! This is a huge downgrade for anyone doing math modeling. Yet another NVidias' product segmentation. They deliberately crippled double precision performance on Titan RTX. The only current choice remaining for us pro users is Tesla V100 with $10K price tag. I paid $8.5K for triple Titan V GPUs giving me nearly 21 TFLOPS of FP64 and I'd have to pay $30K for 21 FP64 performance now. Where is the logic in that? NVidia has gone completely loco with pricing. When my Titans V die on me I'll go for AMD VEGA Instinct MI60 if price is more normal. If not, I'm f...ed.
What about the DP performance on the RTX Quadros? Are those any different?
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
252 (0.07/day)
Likes
61
Location
Richmond,VA
System Name FX-8350
Processor FX8350 @ 4.6ghz
Motherboard MSI 990FX-GD80 v2
Cooling Hyper 212 Evo
Memory 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws 1866 8-9-9-24
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD 7950 OC 3GB
Storage Samsung 512GB 850 Pro SSD ; 3 x 1TB Seagate Drives Standalone
Display(s) Twin Dell E2215H
Case Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra
Power Supply Seasonic 850X Full Modular
Mouse Logitec MK520
Keyboard Logitec MK520
Software Windows 10 Pro 64bit
#54
NVIDIA's greatest leap since the invention of the CUDA GPU in 2006 and the result of more than 10,000 engineering-years of effort,

Wait, what? 10,000 years!?!?!
 
Joined
Oct 29, 2018
Messages
96 (0.66/day)
Likes
65
#55
What about the DP performance on the RTX Quadros? Are those any different?
I don't know because they are not out yet. RTX 8000 will have 8 TFLOPs with $10K price tag, maybe RTX 6000 will be an option with the same TFLOPs perf selling for $6.3K on preorders. But we're still talking about 107 % price increase for 12 % more performance. Titan V has been poor mans' Quadro and Nvidia probably doesn't like it, that's why they decided to cripple Titan line.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 31, 2009
Messages
13,887 (4.12/day)
Likes
8,040
#56
Wait, what? 10,000 years!?!?!
If there were 10 engineers who put in 1000 hours on the card. Yes. That passage is written properly.

I don't know because they are not out yet. RTX 8000 will have 8 TFLOPs with $10K price tag, maybe RTX 6000 will be an option with the same TFLOPs perf selling for $6.3K on preorders. But we're still talking about 107 % price increase for 12 % more performance. Titan V has been poor mans' Quadro and Nvidia probably doesn't like it, that's why they decided to cripple Titan line.
I'm just wondering about the RTX 5000 for $2300. If that is, say 2 TFLOPS, perhaps it can be a viable option? I don't know.
 
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
252 (0.07/day)
Likes
61
Location
Richmond,VA
System Name FX-8350
Processor FX8350 @ 4.6ghz
Motherboard MSI 990FX-GD80 v2
Cooling Hyper 212 Evo
Memory 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws 1866 8-9-9-24
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD 7950 OC 3GB
Storage Samsung 512GB 850 Pro SSD ; 3 x 1TB Seagate Drives Standalone
Display(s) Twin Dell E2215H
Case Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra
Power Supply Seasonic 850X Full Modular
Mouse Logitec MK520
Keyboard Logitec MK520
Software Windows 10 Pro 64bit
#57
If there were 10 engineers who put in 1000 hours on the card. Yes. That passage is written properly.
LOL I was like huh? I know i'm sleep deprived but....
 
Joined
Oct 29, 2018
Messages
96 (0.66/day)
Likes
65
#58
I'm just wondering about the RTX 2000 or w/e for $2300. If that is, say 2 TFLOPS, perhaps it can be a viable option? I don't know.
I need at least 20 TFLOPS per comp for modeling unfortunately and even this is on the slow side when you have client's deadlines to catch. 3 Titans V per computer are OK. We have 17 such PCs in our offices, so I'm looking at $320K instead of $150K investment when Titans start dying.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
8,138 (4.94/day)
Likes
7,169
Location
Duiven, Netherlands
Processor i7 8700k 4.7Ghz @ 1.26v
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X @ 2100/5500
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Eizo Foris FG2421
Case Fractal Design Define C TG
Power Supply EVGA G2 750w
Mouse Logitech G502 Protheus Spectrum
Keyboard Sharkoon MK80 (Brown)
Software W10 x64
Joined
Dec 31, 2009
Messages
13,887 (4.12/day)
Likes
8,040
#60
I need at least 20 TFLOPS per comp for modeling unfortunately and even this is on the slow side when you have client's deadlines to catch. 3 Titans V per computer are OK. We have 17 such PCs in our offices, so I'm looking at $320K instead of $150K investment when Titans start dying.
Further market segmentation FTL. :(

EDIT: That FP64 though... literally is the only place where its slower than the Titan V (right?)...
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 22, 2011
Messages
136 (0.05/day)
Likes
40
Location
USA
System Name Rump Shaker '19
Processor 8700K, Delided w/Rocket Copper IHS on Bitspower monoblock
Motherboard Gigabyte Z370X Gaming-7
Cooling PB and Watercool custom loop NB eLoop fans covering 12x120mm radiator area with16mm PETG hard tubing
Memory 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4@3200 C14-14-14
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce RTX 2080ti on Bykski waterblock
Storage Samsung 970 PRO 512GB, Samsung 960 EVO 500GB, (2)Samsung 850 EVO 500GB, 1TB MX500, (2)WD Red 8TB
Display(s) Dell S2716DG 27" 1440p G-SYNC, Samsung Odyssey
Case Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5, Logitech Z906 5.1 speaker system
Power Supply Cooler Master V1000, custom sleeved white cables
Mouse Logitech G500s
Keyboard Corsair K70 Lux RGB
Software Wi10 Pro 64-bit
#62
Yeah that reads like engineering years are dog's years or something :D
Work Year = ~ 2,080 work hours

10,000 * 2,080
= 10,000 work years
OR
20,800,000 hours.
 
Joined
Oct 29, 2018
Messages
96 (0.66/day)
Likes
65
#63
Further market segmentation FTL. :(

EDIT: That FP64 though... literally is the only place where its slower than the Titan V (right?)...
Yet very important one. Unfortunately the accuracy of double precision compute is a must in precise physics modelling. If you can get away with FP16, FP32 compute precision Titan RTX will be slightly better than Titan V, but as I said most physics simulation&modelling or high accuracy financial computation require capable FP64 GPUs nowdays.

Btw: FP64 : FP32 ratio is very, very low on Titan RTX. Usual ratio lies between 1:2 and 1:3, Titan RTX has abysmal 1:32 ratio almost exactly as 3yo Quadro M6000. One more proof of deliberate market segmentation.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 8, 2017
Messages
3,921 (4.87/day)
Likes
3,035
System Name Good enough
Processor AMD Ryzen R7 1700X - 4.0 Ghz / 1.350V
Motherboard ASRock B450M Pro4
Cooling Scythe Katana 4 - 3x 120mm case fans
Memory 16GB - Corsair Vengeance LPX
Video Card(s) OEM Dell GTX 1080
Storage 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Display(s) 4K Samsung TV
Case Zalman R1
Power Supply 500W
#64
high accuracy financial computation require capable FP64 GPUs nowdays.
You'd never ever want to use floating point be it even of double precision for financial applications. Even if you would, CPUs would better serve these types of applications anyway due to the sequential nature of operations that need to be performed.

Unfortunately the accuracy of double precision compute is a must in precise physics modelling.
For some, sure, but most of the time you can get away with FP32 if you are careful enough to craft numerically stable algorithms. DP simply hasn't been of great focus, after all it was only with the development of Kepler and GCN that this features was even added.
 
Joined
Oct 29, 2018
Messages
96 (0.66/day)
Likes
65
#65
You'd never ever want to use floating point be it even of double precision for financial applications. Even if you would, CPUs would better serve these types of applications anyway due to the sequential nature of operations that need to be performed.

For some, sure, but most of the time you can get away with FP32 if you are careful enough to craft numerically stable algorithms. DP simply hasn't been of great focus, after all it was only with the development of Kepler and GCN that this features was even added.
We mostly work on turbulent flow models (fluid dynamics) and we always use double precision when modeling except when data sets won’t fit in memory with double precision, algorithm does so little arithmetic that it is bandwidth limited or where we are able to use the vector hardware and single precision (16 singles in parallel instead of 8 doubles). I never worked as financial modeler, but I do read double precision is used there too.
 
Joined
Apr 3, 2010
Messages
589 (0.18/day)
Likes
243
Location
US
System Name Desktop
Processor Intel Core i5 6600K [3.5GHz/3.9GHz Turbo][4C/4T]
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 [Z170][F22i]
Cooling [CPU] CM Hyper 212 Evo 2x120mm | [Case] Front-2x140mm - Rear-140mm
Memory Kingston HyperX DDR4 2400 16GB [1x16GB][15-15-15-35]
Video Card(s) (Gigabyte) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FE [Driver: 418.91]
Storage [OS] Samsung 970 Evo 500GB | [Storage] Samsung 860 Evo 1TB | Seagate Firecuda 2TB
Display(s) DELL 27" S2740L [1920x1080@60Hz][IPS][LED]
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D (CC-9011035-WW)
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Core 3D
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G1+ [+12V: 83.3A 999.6W][80 Plus Gold]
Mouse Logitech M570 Trackball
Keyboard Corsair Gaming K55 RGB
Software Microsoft Windows 10 Pro [1809][64-bit]
#66
With the announcement and release of the Titan RTX before the 2060, and with the 2060 most likely using the price point of the xx70's $350-450, this series is meant for the high end market and not the majority of gamers, which will make RT adoption slow, but at least now PhysX is open source.
 
Joined
Jan 8, 2017
Messages
3,921 (4.87/day)
Likes
3,035
System Name Good enough
Processor AMD Ryzen R7 1700X - 4.0 Ghz / 1.350V
Motherboard ASRock B450M Pro4
Cooling Scythe Katana 4 - 3x 120mm case fans
Memory 16GB - Corsair Vengeance LPX
Video Card(s) OEM Dell GTX 1080
Storage 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Display(s) 4K Samsung TV
Case Zalman R1
Power Supply 500W
#67
but I do read double precision is used there too.
Sparingly, at best. Too many issues with rounding, questionable arbitrary conditioning and loss of money after certain repeated calculations. Fixed point (64 bit integer) reigns king.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jun 10, 2014
Messages
1,440 (0.82/day)
Likes
748
#68
People need to stop complaining about the price of Titan cards, and if you don't get the point of the card, it's not meant for you!

This is not a sign of lacking competition; even AMD have their counterpart "Vega Frontier Edition", priced at double the price of Vega 64. These are cards meant for developers and researchers, not for gamers. Also remember, these cards have limited availability in the market. Partners don't necessarily pay this price when getting these cards.
 
Joined
Nov 29, 2016
Messages
578 (0.68/day)
Likes
221
System Name Unimatrix
Processor Intel i9-9900K @ 5.0GHz
Motherboard ASRock x390 Taichi Ultimate
Cooling Custom Loop
Memory 32GB GSkill TridentZ RGB DDR4 @ 3400MHz 14-14-14-32
Video Card(s) EVGA 2080 with Heatkiller Water Block
Storage 2x Samsung 960 Pro 512GB M.2 SSD in RAID 0, 1x WD Blue 1TB M.2 SSD
Display(s) Alienware 34" Ultrawide 3440x1440
Case CoolerMaster P500M Mesh
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W
Keyboard Corsair K75
Benchmark Scores Really Really High
#69
Well that's what happens when you have a monopoly. I say the government needs to step in a chop nVidia into multiple companies like they have in the past with other monopolies.
WTF are you on about? What is nVidia a monopoly of? The gpu market? Cause they are not the market leader. Just because they release something you can't afford, doesn't make them a monopoly. OMG I can't afford that new 8K 70" TV. What a monopoly, break them up. /s
 
Joined
Apr 6, 2015
Messages
73 (0.05/day)
Likes
37
Location
Canada
System Name ChronicleScienceWorkStation
Processor AMD Threadripper 1950X
Motherboard Asrock X399 Taichi
Cooling Corsair H110i v2
Memory G.Skill DDR4 3200 C14 16GB*4
Video Card(s) AMD R9 Fury
Storage Samsung 970 Pro*1, SATA SSD 256GB*2 RAID 0, HGST 8TB*5 RAID 6
Case Lian Li PC-A76X
Power Supply Corsair RM1000x
Software ubuntu 18.04 LTS
#70
how much price of tesla v100? do they sacrifice tesla card?
576 multi-precision Turing Tensor Cores, providing up to 130 teraflops of deep learning performance.

View attachment 111756

I just feel pity to people/university/corporate who own tesla based HPC.
Tesla is still worth it for DP, just not HP anymore.
 
Joined
Oct 2, 2015
Messages
1,854 (1.46/day)
Likes
873
Location
Argentina
System Name Ciel / Yukino
Processor AMD Ryzen R3 1200 @ 3900MHz / Intel Core i3 5005U
Motherboard MSI B350M PRO-VDH / HP 240 G5
Cooling Wraith Stealth / Stock
Memory 2x 4GB Corsair Ballistix Sport DDR4 2400MHz @ 3066MHz / 2x 4GB Hynix + Kingston DDR3L 1600MHz
Video Card(s) Sapphire R9 270X Toxic 2GB 1250/1575MHz / Intel HD 5500
Storage SSD WD Green 240GB M.2 / SSD Kingston A400 120GB SATA
Display(s) HP w17e 1440x900 @ 75 Hz / Integrated 1366x768 @ 94Hz
Case Generic / Stock
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC892 / Realtek ALC282
Power Supply Sentey XPP 525W / Power Brick
Mouse Logitech MX Revolution / Elan Touchpad
Keyboard Generic / Stock
Software Windows 10 Education x64 / Ubuntu 18.04 x64
Benchmark Scores Time Spy: 2200
#71
So, Quadro price for GeForce performance.
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
10,626 (2.51/day)
Likes
9,649
System Name Pioneer
Processor Intel i9 9900k
Motherboard ASRock Z390 Taichi
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 @ 14-14-14-34-2T
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2
Storage HGST UltraStar 7K6000 3.5" HDD 2TB 7200 RPM (w/128MBs of Cache)
Display(s) LG 32GK850G-B 1440p 32" AMVA Panel G-Sync 144hz Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) Onboard Toslink to Schiit Modi Multibit to Asgard 2 Amp to AKG K7XX Ruby Red Massdrop Headphones
Power Supply Seasonic PRIME 750W 80Plus Titanium
Mouse ROCCAT Kone EMP
Keyboard WASD CODE 104-Key w/ Cherry MX Green Keyswitches, Doubleshot Vortex PBT White Transluscent Keycaps
Software Windows 10 Enterprise (From former workplace, yay no telemetry)
Benchmark Scores FS/TS ext: FS 10778:https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18092626 TS 3734:https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6001589
#72
Well that's what happens when you have a monopoly. I say the government needs to step in a chop nVidia into multiple companies like they have in the past with other monopolies.
I would not say we're there yet. We're certainly treading dangerous turf though.
 
Joined
Mar 18, 2008
Messages
4,089 (1.02/day)
Likes
3,189
System Name Virtual Reality / Bioinformatics
Processor Undead CPU
Motherboard Undead TUF X99
Cooling Noctua NH-D15
Memory GSkill 128GB DDR4-3000
Video Card(s) EVGA 2080Ti
Storage Samsung 960 Pro 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + WD Black 5TB
Display(s) Acer K272HUL, HTC Vive
Case Fractal Design R5
Audio Device(s) BOSE 2.0
Power Supply Seasonic 850watt
Mouse Logitech Master MX
Keyboard Corsair K70 Cherry MX Blue
Software Windows 10 Professional/Linux Mint
#73
Would be nice for our collaboration lab to have one of these in addition to the (now dated) 1950X
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2018
Messages
134 (0.77/day)
Likes
41
#74
2500$, HAHAHAHA.



Knowing how faster RTX cards are than Pascals, maybe a 30% increase in workloads for 2500$ is ....
its not about %30 increase on general computing performance, it's about what we can do with other cores while training the dataset.
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
10,626 (2.51/day)
Likes
9,649
System Name Pioneer
Processor Intel i9 9900k
Motherboard ASRock Z390 Taichi
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 @ 14-14-14-34-2T
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2
Storage HGST UltraStar 7K6000 3.5" HDD 2TB 7200 RPM (w/128MBs of Cache)
Display(s) LG 32GK850G-B 1440p 32" AMVA Panel G-Sync 144hz Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) Onboard Toslink to Schiit Modi Multibit to Asgard 2 Amp to AKG K7XX Ruby Red Massdrop Headphones
Power Supply Seasonic PRIME 750W 80Plus Titanium
Mouse ROCCAT Kone EMP
Keyboard WASD CODE 104-Key w/ Cherry MX Green Keyswitches, Doubleshot Vortex PBT White Transluscent Keycaps
Software Windows 10 Enterprise (From former workplace, yay no telemetry)
Benchmark Scores FS/TS ext: FS 10778:https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18092626 TS 3734:https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6001589
#75
You do not need governments regulating luxuries.
You do if they truly are a monopoly. Even luxuries can suffer from predatory pricing and computers aren't really a "luxery" anymore (though a Titan certainly is).

AMD still makes mainstreamish grade GPUs though. Saying this is like the AT&T monopoly is to massively overstate the situation.

why bother complaining to the govt when they do not put regulations on tech?
Because they do? Case in point, Microsoft has been bitch slapped by the USA several times in the past. Even moreso in the EU...
 
Last edited:
Top