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NVIDIA Surpasses Intel in Market Cap Size

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I guess that means that there is no chance in Hell that the upcoming RTX 30xx series will be the same price, or cheaper than the 20xx series now.

We need AMD GPUs to be competitive more than ever.
 
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I guess that means that there is no chance in Hell that the upcoming RTX 30xx series will be the same price, or cheaper than the 20xx series now.

We need AMD GPUs to be competitive more than ever.
They keep updating the tensor level, though.
It is one ramifying feature. Like AMD's rapid packed math, but for hpc.
 
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I guess someone who plays in the stock market and at the same time is a huge fun of both AMD and Nvidia, right now is in a tropical beach smiling.
 
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Are you saying that ATI did good after been acquired to AMD? ATI would have been on par with Nvidia now if not better! ATI is now 7 years behind Nvidia because they joined AMD
They would likely do somewhat better, yes (Ruiz was a hack of quite epyc proportions), but driver issues would certainly still persist; their notoriously bad drivers were famous as the worst of any major player back then. Also, Nvidia would still nastily bend them over with Tesla arch to which they were clearly woefully unprepared...
 
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Are you saying that ATI did good after been acquired to AMD?
No but it did help AMD. AMD without ATI would have been dead and forgoten by now. We might had better options for our next GPU, but mainstream hi end CPUs would still be 4/8 models. All our hopes would be in ARM to see some competition.
 
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They would likely do somewhat better, yes (Ruiz was a hack of quite epyc proportions), but driver issues would certainly still persist; their notoriously bad drivers were famous as the worst of any major player back then. Also, Nvidia would still nastily bend them over with Tesla arch to which they were clearly woefully unprepared...
AMD has been persevering for an architectural continuity, though. It is where Nvidia seperates itself from x86 licensors - only Nvidia cannibalizes a last generation of hardware each step of the way. Intel overachieves and AMD underplays architectural leaps.
 
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Are you saying that ATI did good after been acquired to AMD? ATI would have been on par with Nvidia now if not better!

If AMD hadn't bought ATI they'd be long gone by now and you'd be enjoying your new 200$ 10th gen dual core from Intel now. At least this way we still have a choice between two different GPU and CPU manufacturers.

ATI is now 7 years behind Nvidia because they joined AMD

You know damn well that's a load of crap.
 
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I guess that means that there is no chance in Hell that the upcoming RTX 30xx series will be the same price, or cheaper than the 20xx series now.

We need AMD GPUs to be competitive more than ever.
Both is very true; I am fully expecting the 3080ti/3090 to start at 1.5k$ (officially, but realistically more like 1.6-1.7 at least in the first month or two), yet I also think AMD will actually be even less competitive than ever before or at the very least just as uncompetitive as against 2080Ti. Bad times for buyers of high-end gpus indeed (or at least for their wallets), courtesy of yours truly, incompetent RTG :p
 
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Bad times for buyers of high-end gpus indeed (or at least for their wallets), courtesy of yours truly, incompetent RTG :p
Does RTG fail at good value, though? All pc special stuff seem incomplete to me(eve online, ahem). You have to dedicate developer overtime to input custom lines of code. New features don't come with a high level gpu api.
 

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I guess that means that there is no chance in Hell that the upcoming RTX 30xx series will be the same price, or cheaper than the 20xx series now.

We need AMD GPUs to be competitive more than ever.


Let's hope we begin hearing about:
Navi 21;
Navi 22;
Navi 23.

Soon, so that their releases approach quickly.

No but it did help AMD. AMD without ATI would have been dead and forgoten by now. We might had better options for our next GPU, but mainstream hi end CPUs would still be 4/8 models. All our hopes would be in ARM to see some competition.

This is pure speculation without taking consideration that the purchase of ATi actually led AMD to very nasty financial position. AMD overpaid heavily for ATi.

And given that today the best products from AMD are all Zen-based, the Radeon lineup is somewhere third or fourth in the priority list, I think that AMD without ATi would have been in a much better situation today.
 

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It's all because of Jensun's amazing baking skills and his multi-coloured collection of GPU spatulas...

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It's all because of Jensun's amazing baking skills and his multi-coloured collection of GPU spatulas...
Gtx 480 was a correctly featured product. It is just that we didn't have that exclusive cosmos case with a dedicated gpu air vent, that caused the heart of the problem.
 
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This is pure speculation

It's a speculation for those that don't know what Intel began to do in the early 2000s. They drove AMD out of the OEM and server business with billions in bribes, there was no way AMD would have survived that exodus up until today had they not bought ATI and started shipping APUs in consoles, at one point in time that was basically their only considerable source of income. Intel probably never predicted that they were going to buy ATI nor what their intentions with it were.
 

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It's a speculation for those that don't know what Intel began to do in the early 2000s. They drove AMD out of the OEM and server business with billions in bribes, there was no way AMD would have survived that exodus up until today had they not bought ATI and started shipping APUs in consoles, at one point in time that was basically their only considerable source of income. Intel probably never predicted that they were going to buy ATI nor what their intentions with it were.

lol, you know that the Antitrust regulators will never allow a single x86 player and that the court after all hands beefy fines over to the naughty Intel.
 
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lol, you know that the Antitrust regulators will never allow a single x86 player and that the court after all hands beefy fines over to the naughty Intel.

The "beefy fines" were hogwash, antitrust regulations are also a hogwash. No one actually cares if there's just a single x86 player, point made the fines weren't even issues by an US court. Fines which by the way were never settled to this day, basically none of that even matters anymore today.
 
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Gtx 480 was a correctly featured product. It is just that we didn't have that exclusive cosmos case with a dedicated gpu air vent, that caused the heart of the problem.
While I admit that the 480 memes were funny and somewhat appropriate and it wasn't exactly a brilliant card, its main problem was that the large majority of them shipped with the not-quite-adequate stock cooler. The power consumption wasn't that bad for today's standards, well at least AMD ones :D


And mind you, 480 was the absolute fastest single-gpu card back then, while 5700xt is a paltry upper-mid range one. Some versions with proper cooling (unfortunately rare) were much different beasts:
 

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The "beefy fines" were hogwash, antitrust regulations are also a hogwash. No one actually cares if there's just a single x86 player, point made the fines weren't even issues by an US court. Fines which by the way were never settled to this day, basically none of that even matters anymore today.


You have to check the facts first:

First settlement:

Intel to pay AMD $1.25 billion in antitrust settlement
AMD drops its litigation while Intel agrees to "abide by" a long list of prohibitions. And renewed patent cross-license agreement frees AMD to spin off chip manufacturing.


Second fine:

Antitrust: Commission imposes fine of €1.06 bn on Intel for abuse of dominant position; orders Intel to cease illegal practices
 
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The "beefy fines" were hogwash, antitrust regulations are also a hogwash. No one actually cares if there's just a single x86 player, point made the fines weren't even issues by an US court. Fines which by the way were never settled to this day, basically none of that even matters anymore today.

AFAIK it has been paid to AMD. they got 1 billion out of it but when nvidia later got 1.5b for their settlement with intel some people like "what? why nvidia get more?" the one that hasn't been pay yet is the one that was supposed to go to EU pocket. so even if intel pay that AMD will not going to get any of it.
 

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AFAIK it has been paid to AMD. they got 1 billion out of it but when nvidia later got 1.5b for their settlement with intel some people like "what? why nvidia get more?" the one that hasn't been pay yet is the one that was supposed to go to EU pocket. so even if intel pay that AMD will not going to get any of it.


AMD still benefits because it allows them to compete more freely.

Also, Microsoft and Google get fined, too.


 
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For a company that is apparently doomed, they seem to be doing okay.

Mostly just folks with underdog syndrome hating on others being successful
 
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It has always been an underdog, once upon a time with compelling products in the mainstream, but not for the last 14 years...
 
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Imagine still believing AMD is an "underdog".

The first stage is denial ...
 
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