NVIDIA TITAN-Z, the $2999 GTX GPU.

[64K]

Yes, as mentioned, most ITX cases don't even support triple slot cards anyways.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again, dual GPU cards are a waste of money, be it AMD or Nvidia cards, and it seems the trend continues, 50% markup over a dual Titan Black SLI setup, for a card that for all intents and purposes is going to be slower than going for dual cards, I'm sorry but the buck has to stop somewhere, and I will not support Nvidia this time (or AMD's overpriced offers for that matter either).

To me it's a matter of principle, I can afford this card, but if people like me continue backing this stupid trend, the next single GPU Maxwell flagship card from Nvidia is gona be $1500 for one card, and AMD will laugh all the way to the bank raising their prices to boot, gentlemen, I say it's time we vote with our wallets.

And to be honest with you I don't think it even matter, this card is just a halo product, I have no doubt in my mind it will sell out in a matter of hours due to limited supply, and if you think about it, Universities and Colleges with low research budgets and people in the Film industry and Medical imaging industry must be salivating at the prospect of getting so much compute power at such low price, regardless of the lack of proper driver support or ECC memory.

That's what I think too. It's a waste of money from a gamers standpoint. You could get 2 Titan Blacks and have more performance than a Titan Z because I just don't believe the Z will have a 500 watt TDP so 2 Titan Blacks will roll right over a Z and anyone with $3,000 for a card isn't going to think anything about the cost of a bigger case or a new Mobo if they need it for SLI.

I don't know hardly anything about compute cards so the thing I wonder about is would 2 Titan Blacks outperform the Z in compute as well?

I hope they do send 1 of those Titan Zs to W1zzard so he can test it and possibly explain why this card makes sense for anyone.

 

[BiggieShady]

Yes, as mentioned, most ITX cases don't even support triple slot cards anyways.

There are slim cases that use ITX motherboard and PCI-E riser ... some of them can use tripe slot cards:

... if you wanted to build beefiest steam machine on the planet and put it under the TV

 

[RCoon]

why this card makes sense for anyone

$1000 + $1000 = $3000

Where the hell did they teach you maths?

 

[natr0n]

Just need a gold brick from the vault and this will be mine.

 

[Kaynar]

I'm pretty sure if NVidia made drivers for gaming for their Quadro cards that sell for over 5000 dollars, there would still be gamers buying them even if they would perform 20% better than a 500 dollar card. All NVidia is doing here is providing a product to the market. If it sells then well done.

 

[Slizzo]

Jhen-sun Huang started off saying "we released a $1000 GPU, unknowing how well it would sell...and it sold like hotcakes."

So here's our next card...

Triple-slot.

Pic looks like dual slot?

 

[Slizzo]

nothing wrong with 300+hp, I have only a mere 350 myself The car equivalent would rather be 900 hp and costing $1 million


Give it 4 years and a $300 graphics card will crush this Titan-Z

300HP is the new 200HP. Everyone has 300HP or above. Crap I have over 400HP currently, and am looking to jump into a car with more than 550HP. But that's just me.

True, cards down the line will crush this eventually, but that's a given. I've always been in the camp that the Titan series cards were never meant for gamers, they were meant to be cheaper options for those that needed workstation level GPUs.

 

[cadaveca]

Pic looks like dual slot?

look at the side of the end bracket that has screw holes..note that there are three...and that the other side extends far over the two pieces the slot into the case.

Might be 2.5-slot, but you can watch the press conference and take a look at the card in his hand...

 

[D R E N]

nothing wrong with 300+hp, I have only a mere 350 myself The car equivalent would rather be 900 hp and costing $1 million


Give it 4 years and a $300 graphics card will crush this Titan-Z

Hurray for Moore's Law!

 

[Slizzo]

look at the side of the end bracket that has screw holes..note that there are three...and that the other side extends far over the two pieces the slot into the case.

Might be 2.5-slot, but you can watch the press conference and take a look at the card in his hand...

Well, I've always had 3 screw holes on dual slot cards, pic may be bad as I can only see two tabs to slide into the back of the case.

 

[Xzibit]

Well, I've always had 3 screw holes on dual slot cards, pic may be bad as I can only see two tabs to slide into the back of the case.

Pretty clear it takes 3 slots

 

[Slizzo]

Pretty clear it takes 3.slots

See? This pic is better. Pic in the lead OP doesn't clearly illustrate this.

 

[64K]

$1000 + $1000 = $3000

Where the hell did they teach you maths?

I was saying that 2 Titan Blacks would roll right over a Z and anyone that had $3,000 for a card (meaning a Z and not the plural form of the word cards which would mean 2 Blacks would also equal $3,000) wouldn't have any issue with getting a bigger case or a new motherboard for going SLI. That just further makes it ridiculous that any gamer would consider a Z because 2 Blacks will most likely beat a Z for less money.

Anyway, to answer your question I learned maths in the fine Alabama Public Education System.

 

[cadaveca]

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Well, I've always had 3 screw holes on dual slot cards, pic may be bad as I can only see two tabs to slide into the back of the case.

Never had dual-slot cards with three screw holes, myself.


And yeah, the angle was bad...1000%.

I was saying that 2 Titan Blacks would roll right over a Z and anyone that had $3,000 for a card (meaning a Z and not the plural form of the word cards which would mean 2 Blacks would also equal $3,000) wouldn't have any issue with getting a bigger case or a new motherboard for going SLI. That just further makes it ridiculous that any gamer would consider a Z because 2 Blacks will most likely beat a Z for less money.
Anyway, to answer your question I learned maths in the fine Alabama Public Education System.

If the cooling on the "Z" is good enough, Titan Black WILL NOT beat out this card, since properly cooling Titan Black is a nightmare...it's only done properly when watercooling..and two cards, two blocks, plus rad, fans + pump = near 3K.

This card is meant for those that can spend money on getting the best Nvidia-designed product. It's not about getting the best solution possible...but about the best solution that NVIDIA has to offer. That cost also provides for driver support, customer support, and other things that the limited number of users with such a card will have the benefits of that other card buyers will not.

Is that fact they are offering such crazy...you bet. Unjustified in pricing...not really. I expect the m to sell about 500k units, with maybe 3% being used by gamers/enthusiasts, which account for $1.5 billion in revenue from the sales of this card. It's bloody brilliant, I think.

 

[15th Warlock]

300HP is the new 200HP. Everyone has 300HP or above. Crap I have over 400HP currently, and am looking to jump into a car with more than 550HP. But that's just me.

True, cards down the line will crush this eventually, but that's a given. I've always been in the camp that the Titan series cards were never meant for gamers, they were meant to be cheaper options for those that needed workstation level GPUs.

300+HP cars can be lots of fun to drive, no need for 500HP to have fun

And I don't know if I agree with Titan cards never being meant for gamers, Nvidia itself especifically marketed these cards as the "fastest single GPU gaming card in the world" it just happens to be an excellent and cheap option to their Tesla and Quadro lines of professional cards in terms of compute power.

 

[Easy Rhino]

300+HP cars can be lots of fun to drive, no need for 500HP to have fun

i'm sorry but that lawnmower and that bike are just a bit too close to the porche for me...

 

[Xzibit]

i'm sorry but that lawnmower and that bike are just a bit too close to the porche for me...

More importantly the customary girl in a string bikini with high heels is missing

 

[Slizzo]

300+HP cars can be lots of fun to drive, no need for 500HP to have fun

<--- Has young kid, want's utility of a wagon, doesn't want to give up performance (in fact, wants a little more performance)

<--- Drives large, 4 door sedan, with RWD and a big V8.

Not saying my car isn't fun to drive; it is. I've owned it for 6 years now. Just ready to move on as my family is growing now.

I know a guy who works for Treyarch, and he's been considering getting a Titan Black in order to allow him to bridge the gap when he needs to do work at home. He can get his game on, but also can get work done pretty well while at home. He's basically one of the perfect targets for nVidia's Titan line of GPUs.

 

[15th Warlock]

i'm sorry but that lawnmower and that bike are just a bit too close to the porche for me...

LMAO! I knew people would notice that, I want to get a shed to move those thinks outside my garage, it's getting cramped in there

<--- Has young kid, want's utility of a wagon, doesn't want to give up performance (in fact, wants a little more performance)

<--- Drives large, 4 door sedan, with RWD and a big V8.

Not saying my car isn't fun to drive; it is. I've owned it for 6 years now. Just ready to move on as my family is growing now.

I know a guy who works for Treyarch, and he's been considering getting a Titan Black in order to allow him to bridge the gap when he needs to do work at home. He can get his game on, but also can get work done pretty well while at home. He's basically one of the perfect targets for nVidia's Titan line of GPUs.

Well that's a good example of why Nvidia is trying to push these high prices down our throats, they know people are going to use this cards for gaming AND work

 

[Vario]

300HP is the new 200HP. Everyone has 300HP or above. Crap I have over 400HP currently, and am looking to jump into a car with more than 550HP. But that's just me.

I got a 3v mustang with 4.10 gears, bolt ons so its quite fun for driving around like a jackass

 

[Aquinus]

<--- Has young kid, want's utility of a wagon, doesn't want to give up performance (in fact, wants a little more performance)

<--- Drives large, 4 door sedan, with RWD and a big V8.

Not saying my car isn't fun to drive; it is. I've owned it for 6 years now. Just ready to move on as my family is growing now.

Well, my daughter is 2 years old and I want to still have fun with my car. That's why you get a station wagon with a turbo. I'm happy with my Saab 9-5 Aero wagon.

230 PS (169 kW; 227 hp) @ 5500 rpm
370 N·m (270 lb·ft) @ 1900 rpm

It's a little too much power for front-wheel drive to be honest though.

Trying to stay on topic:

I wonder how nVidia gauges the Titans selling like hotcakes. I wonder if they mean that it's easier to get 1 consumer to buy a 1000 dollar GPU than 5 consumers to by 200 dollar GPUs. So clearly they plan on it being easier to get 1 consumer to buy a single 3000 USD card instead of 15 people to buy 200 USD cards.

 

[64K]

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Never had dual-slot cards with three screw holes, myself.


And yeah, the angle was bad...1000%.



If the cooling on the "Z" is good enough, Titan Black WILL NOT beat out this card, since properly cooling Titan Black is a nightmare...it's only done properly when watercooling..and two cards, two blocks, plus rad, fans + pump = near 3K.

This card is meant for those that can spend money on getting the best Nvidia-designed product. It's not about getting the best solution possible...but about the best solution that NVIDIA has to offer. That cost also provides for driver support, customer support, and other things that the limited number of users with such a card will have the benefits of that other card buyers will not.

Is that fact they are offering such crazy...you bet. Unjustified in pricing...not really. I expect the m to sell about 500k units, with maybe 3% being used by gamers/enthusiasts, which account for $1.5 billion in revenue from the sales of this card. It's bloody brilliant, I think.

Dave, from what I've seen the Black reference card has only a slightly higher core clock than the 780 Ti reference card and nowhere near the superclocked core clock of the 780 Ti which has no problem being cooled on air. I don't understand why you think the Black will need elaborate water cooling to run at reference settings. There are people running SLI 780 Ti with air cooling. Unless Nvidia does something really amazing like releasing the Z with something close to a 500 watt TDP then I see no reason why 2 Blacks wouldn't beat a Z for a lot cheaper.

Compute, I don't know about but for gaming only I think 2 Blacks will be a much better buy for anyone that really needs that kind of performance.

 

[The Von Matrices]

Everyone is shocked at the price, but it's nothing out of the ordinary if you ask me. All the arguments being made here about price and price/performance are identical to those levied against every previous dual GPU card.

Dual GPU cards have always been ~3X as expensive as single GPU cards. The only difference this time is that the single card upon which the Titan Z is based is expensive, so 3X that already high price is a ridiculously high price.

 

[cadaveca]

There are people running SLI 780 Ti with air cooling.

I know... I'm one of them, which is why I have no problem making those comments.:

At stock, my cards throttle. To the point that if I run firestrike alone, I get 18.5k. Run the full suite of tests, and I get 16.5k. I monitored clocks...lowered scores is due to throttle due to temps. Me having cards that run hotter than average is not a new thing. I have posts with many different AMD cards that ran the same, on average about 20C more than what most users report. It's not me getting bad cards.. or anything other than the environment I live in.

Running, and running optimally for extended periods, are two different things. In fact, NVidia's own GPU Boost 2.0 page says this:

I read that to say that to get the most out of a GPU-boost 2.0 card, you need watercooling...and I was aware of this before getting my cards... and now I am living with the reality of how true that recommendation really is.

 

[15th Warlock]

Everyone is shocked at the price, but it's nothing out of the ordinary if you ask me. All the arguments being made here about price and price/performance are identical to those levied against every previous dual GPU card.

Dual GPU cards have always been ~3X as expensive as single GPU cards. The only difference this time is that the single card upon which the Titan Z is based is expensive, so 3X that already high price is a ridiculously high price.

3X? I don't think I remember dual GPU cards being 3X the price of single GPU cards, 590 and 690 were 2X as expensive as the 580 and 680 at the time of release, same ratio for 5990 and 6990 to the 5970 and 6970; 7990 was 2.5X the price of 7970 for a brief time after release but it soon went down in price to $700 or less.

It's all about what people consider a good value for their money, like I said, I see Nvidia trying to pitch this card as a "supercomputer", and thus charging a premium for it, but I don't think there's a precedent.

My fear is, this will mean big Maxwell will retail for $1.5K, I really hope I'm mistaken on that assumption.