Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Feb 5, 2009.
Now isnt that Funny.....
My 8800GTS 512 OC now has 3 twin brothers
was more of an observation because not everyone is as knowledgeable as we are on nvidia's naming, and I'll bet the gts250 would sell for more
Common bussiness guys, common bussiness:
Nvidia needs to stop the rebranding.
But i may get the GTS 250.
also consider that a 9800gx2 are basically two 9800 soldered and put them in sli, so the only real card from the 9 series is the 9600gt
agreed , so im also want say to nvidia enough upgrade for names , real upgreade hardware will be better
Sad really, this says a lot to me:
1. They have overhead
2. This chip offers the best yields
3. This is the cheapest chip they can make
As long as the media report this more and more people are informed.
Convenient how ATI lovers ignored this post
But if the consumer is getting the same performance, then why does it matter?
Consider that from a marketing point of view, a line-up of cards all prefixed with 2XX and then a sore thumb 9800 sticking out, it doesn't really mesh well.
I imagine in a perfect world, where card generations didn't end up overlapping, this wouldn't be a problem. But with all the products being released and the timetables involved, that's obviously not the case.
Doing it TWICE for a card as with the 8800GT is just cheap though
NVIDIA has to stop this immediately and yes, I expect whoever started screwing with NVIDIA's model system beginning with the 8800 GTS 512 MiB and 8800 GT to receive no less than three pink slips just to make it abundantly clear they have to leave. This is nonsense taken to the extreme.
Megabytes and Model numbers have big effect on buyers that don`t know much.
Do you know how difficult is it to explain to a customer that HD3850 256mb ddr3 is faster than HD4350 512 ddr2. How to hell is possible 256 to beat 512 and 3850 to beat 4830. At least with ATI you can explain that at 3850
3 - genearion
8 - class
50 - sub model
How to hell to explain that three models could be the same Card. They think that I`m trying to make them stupid.
everyone does understand the 8800GTS G92 and 9800GTX G92 are not the same card the 9800GTX adds power saving features that allow it to run hybrid SLi something the 8800GTS cannot due. this is also the reason the 9800GTX is a longer card than the 8800GTS. the 9800GTX+ adds a die shrink to the entire thing allowing the same thermal's to push a higher clock from the factory the GTS250 is a rebadged card but if the push the clocks up again it wont be a bad buy assuming it is priced like a mid range card. who here would complain about buying a rebadged 9800GTX+ for the same price as a 4670 or 9600GSO?
But the 3850 doesn't beat the 4830...
i mean yeah the same basic structure, but i guess you can't call your 8800GTS a twin of the 9800GTX+, nor the GTS250. I mean they do have that different PCB and a die srink.
But as i stated it is basiclly the same structure
He meant to say 4350
just to clear this up - to the best that I can recall over the last 8-9 years (possibly longer) . . . ATI doesn't rebrand like nVidia does.
If they make a hardware change (such as a die shrink, changing reference PCB layout, different memory, small GPU update, etc.) - they either change the suffix for the "new" card, or release a new series within the series (ex. X1600 - X1650, X1900 - X1950).
ATI, although fairly guilty of still passing off old hardware as something new, at least incoporate some kind of hardware change that does make the new card deserving of being set apart.
example, Radeon 9000-9200.
Radeon 9550 - X1050
You have bad memory.
2000-3000 series was like a load of 8800gt-9800gt. Lower power consumption, couple new features, but nothing else is better.
not entirelly - 9200 supported faster AGP slots (x4 vs x8), and included the "revised" RV250 GPU (RV280).
different fab process, increased texture fillrate, updated GPU
any other examples? Again - I stand by my arguement that ATI makes minor hardware updates and gives the cards a new series name . . . nVidia *typically* makes no hardware changes - except for the sticker change (and sometimes a new cooler).
And that same chip was later x300, x550 and x600 although I think they changed the codename in the case of the x600, although there was nothing new there.
Ah I see. Apparently 55nm vs 65nm, Tri-SLI, Hybrid SLI and some minor changes to the shaders to improve power consumption, are not enough changes for you.
Sorry, but you don't have a point there, both are guilty of exactly the same, just Nvidia is doing it now and Ati did it in the past, AND (this is a big one) both companies are much more vocal about their chips than in the past, which means Ati did this A LOT more than Nvidia in the past, but you never got told. Nvidia has been vocal about these rebrands, what a poor strategy, if what you want is to fool customers and you tell them what's going on with the new cards. LOL.
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