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NVIDIA's Volta Reportedly Poised for Anticipated, Early Q3 2017 Launch

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#26
I can't wait for the fud that appears 1-2 weeks before vega launch.
It'll get extra thick for sure, no doubt about it ;)

Hopefully Vega arrives in 2 weeks because that's May and it's meant to be out then..... That's when all the fanboys can cry (well, one side will be).
Why do you always include some lame ass bullshit attempt to incite flamewars in these posts? Always making some idiotic comment about 'fanboys', do you realize how foolish you make yourself look? Not to mention you cite nonesense as fact when it suits you. Nobody said Vega will be released in May. Nobody. Stop spreading BS.

The community is speculating it'll release then alongside Bethesdas new 'Prey', that's all. The only confirmation we have from AMD is 1H 2017, I'm assuming you what half of 12 is?
 
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This can't be desktop Volta:
a) it would make the 11 Gbps Pascal line obsolete
b) nobody would buy 1080 Ti if they can get a better and cheaper 2070

Unless:
a) Volta is only Pascal refresh
b) RX Vega is a killer card
c) JHH has gone mad :)

Pick the most probable one :p
Let;s see here...

a1... maybe... but who cares, maybe they dont have tons of stock?
b1... maybe... some cant wait up to 5 months from now...most wont know its there until its out anyway.

a2. No.
b2. No.
c2. Most plausible thing said here IMO. :p
 
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#28
VOLTA is likely just another Maxwell shrink like Pascal. + optimisations.
I would be surprised if GV102 has more CUDA's than GP102, and at the same time being 12nm.
I think the more likely scenario is GTX 2070 2880 / 16GB / 12 GBps GDDR5X and GTX 2080 3840 / 16GB / 12 GBps.
 
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Volta is coming to the HPC market first because they have big buck contracts like Summit to deliver.

It's not coming to the consumer market any time soon, because there is absolutely no need. All AMD can offer right now is shitty rebrands or mainstream mediocrity.
 
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Looking forward for the 1180Ti card to replace my 1080 one, since sadly, it's struggling like hell on the latest games on 3440x1440...
Good thing for the monitor's G-Sync, otherwise games like ME:Andromeda would be unplayable.
 
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If Volta does arrive this year, it will still be on TSMC's 16nm node. Which isn't a problem, as that process has shown its superiority to Samsung/GloFo's 14nm.

Given that, Volta in Q3 is quite plausible. Pascal is really just Maxwell v3, so NVIDIA have had a lot of time to actually design a new GPU architecture; alternatively, Volta could simply be Maxwell v4/Pascal v2.
 
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If Volta does arrive this year, it will still be on TSMC's 16nm node. Which isn't a problem, as that process has shown its superiority to Samsung/GloFo's 14nm.

Given that, Volta in Q3 is quite plausible. Pascal is really just Maxwell v3, so NVIDIA have had a lot of time to actually design a new GPU architecture; alternatively, Volta could simply be Maxwell v4/Pascal v2.
Don't you think saying new architecture you shouldn't say Maxwell v3 or Pascal v2? If this volta is new it should be Volta v1 period. Everybody knows that NV is kinda greedy. This attempt to release Volta this year is simply marketing for me. Not much improvement but still something and a load of money flowing to the basket of NV. What I think it is maybe Vega isn't that fast as 1080Ti or maybe it will be not important at this point. NV wants to be on top and set prices for the fastest cards to get shit load of money from customers. That's the main thing here. New architecture or anything related to this has no meaning or value for NV except cash. My opinion. :)
 
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It'll get extra thick for sure, no doubt about it ;)



Why do you always include some lame ass bullshit attempt to incite flamewars in these posts? Always making some idiotic comment about 'fanboys', do you realize how foolish you make yourself look? Not to mention you cite nonesense as fact when it suits you. Nobody said Vega will be released in May. Nobody. Stop spreading BS.

The community is speculating it'll release then alongside Bethesdas new 'Prey', that's all. The only confirmation we have from AMD is 1H 2017, I'm assuming you what half of 12 is?
I apologize for offending you. None meant and i sincerely don't try to start any flame wars. All the info thus released from leaks suggested May 2017.
It's gone quiet recently but I'm repeating a well versed mantra about release dates.

Again, sorry to offend you.
 
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Don't you think saying new architecture you shouldn't say Maxwell v3 or Pascal v2? If this volta is new it should be Volta v1 period. Everybody knows that NV is kinda greedy. This attempt to release Volta this year is simply marketing for me. Not much improvement but still something and a load of money flowing to the basket of NV. What I think it is maybe Vega isn't that fast as 1080Ti or maybe it will be not important at this point. NV wants to be on top and set prices for the fastest cards to get shit load of money from customers. That's the main thing here. New architecture or anything related to this has no meaning or value for NV except cash. My opinion. :)
Perhaps I was a little unclear, I see three options:

* Pascal is actually Maxwell v3. Which means NVIDIA has basically had since Maxwell v1 to design a brand-new architecture (Volta v1). Given that, it is plausible that Volta v1 is done and ready for release in Q3.
* Alternatively, if "Volta" is just Maxwell v4/Pascal v2 with a few tweaks, then NVIDIA could release it at pretty much any time, and are just holding out until Q3 to clear stock of current Pascal cards.
* Third option (which I didn't mention before but is a possibility) is that "Volta" is just a rebrand of Pascal. I don't see this as particularly likely since it would give no benefit to NVIDIA or its partners, who would now have "Volta 2000 series" cards to sell while they still have an inventory of Pascal 1000 series to clear.

My personal belief is that Volta will be a new arch and NVIDIA will be releasing it in Q3 to business only (similar to the Tesla P100 mezzanine cards). This makes the most sense because businesses are much more willing to pay top dollar for new tech because they need the performance that tech provides, whereas consumers are generally happy with "fast enough" and longer upgrade cycles - and considering the very fast GTX 1080 Ti was released less than a month ago, few consumers will be willing to upgrade so soon.

Also I don't think NVIDIA is particularly concerned with Vega at this time; they have made it very clear that they are competing against themselves. They could have released GP104-200 (GTX 1070's GPU) as the GTX 1080 Titan Xp and had the 1080 and 1070 be slower than they are, and they still would've beat Polaris with ease. If they had done that with the same prices, then I'd say they were greedy - but they didn't. Hell, they absolutely didn't need to release the Titan Xp, but they chose to anyway. Why? To set an expectation for performance from their next generation of cards.
 
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#37
the GeForce 20-series - will see an early launch due to market demands, and NVIDIA's intention to further increase pricing of its products through a new-generation launch
This sounds to me like a lack of competition = increased cost for the consumer. This accelerated 20 series launch is just the vehicle for that. $300 2060's, $450 2070's, and $700 2080's anyone?
 
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Perhaps I was a little unclear, I see three options:

* Pascal is actually Maxwell v3. Which means NVIDIA has basically had since Maxwell v1 to design a brand-new architecture (Volta v1). Given that, it is plausible that Volta v1 is done and ready for release in Q3.
* Alternatively, if "Volta" is just Maxwell v4/Pascal v2 with a few tweaks, then NVIDIA could release it at pretty much any time, and are just holding out until Q3 to clear stock of current Pascal cards.
* Third option (which I didn't mention before but is a possibility) is that "Volta" is just a rebrand of Pascal. I don't see this as particularly likely since it would give no benefit to NVIDIA or its partners, who would now have "Volta 2000 series" cards to sell while they still have an inventory of Pascal 1000 series to clear.

My personal belief is that Volta will be a new arch and NVIDIA will be releasing it in Q3 to business only (similar to the Tesla P100 mezzanine cards). This makes the most sense because businesses are much more willing to pay top dollar for new tech because they need the performance that tech provides, whereas consumers are generally happy with "fast enough" and longer upgrade cycles - and considering the very fast GTX 1080 Ti was released less than a month ago, few consumers will be willing to upgrade so soon.

Also I don't think NVIDIA is particularly concerned with Vega at this time; they have made it very clear that they are competing against themselves. They could have released GP104-200 (GTX 1070's GPU) as the GTX 1080 Titan Xp and had the 1080 and 1070 be slower than they are, and they still would've beat Polaris with ease. If they had done that with the same prices, then I'd say they were greedy - but they didn't. Hell, they absolutely didn't need to release the Titan Xp, but they chose to anyway. Why? To set an expectation for performance from their next generation of cards.

Thanks for clarification and believe me, if you think I was making any attack on your person, I do agree with you in some points. The most obvious thing is and NV confirmed it, that they might be releasing Volta this year faster than previously thought. That's ok but saying that this might be the new architecture is a bit fast I think. Volta was meant to be 10nm not 16nm Also I'm not sure what's the difference of rebrand and maxwellv4/pascal v2 tweaks? Isn't that same thing? Either of those get slight improvements in performance.
What really creams my corn is when you said that NV is competing with itself. Yeah that's true. Vega is no threat for NV cards. Why is it then NV is about to releasing new Volta either if it's a new architecture or a rebrand? They have the Pascal XP and 1080Ti now. Why this year where market is still fresh with those 2 cards. Don't tell me, like Raevenlord stated, market demands. For business It might be possible but didn't NV also stated that Volta will be for gaming as well? If they release gaming card based on Volta architecture now and scam their own cards that would be foolish. I always say that Vega may be nice performer which makes NV worried. I don't know that for sure but hurrying up like that with all the cards released this year is strange. Especially when you jeopardize your own cards and sales. everybody knows the marketing and you never hurry with any card especially when you have 2 new released few months before.
Unless they release it for business this year only and next year for gaming. Which might be the strategy :) Not sure which market is bigger. regular consumers or business. I think the first one which is mostly gaming.
 
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Thanks for clarification and believe me, if you think I was making any attack on your person, I do agree with you in some points. The most obvious thing is and NV confirmed it, that they might be releasing Volta this year faster than previously thought. That's ok but saying that this might be the new architecture is a bit fast I think. Volta was meant to be 10nm not 16nm Also I'm not sure what's the difference of rebrand and maxwellv4/pascal v2 tweaks? Isn't that same thing? Either of those get slight improvements in performance.
What really creams my corn is when you said that NV is competing with itself. Yeah that's true. Vega is no threat for NV cards. Why is it then NV is about to releasing new Volta either if it's a new architecture or a rebrand? They have the Pascal XP and 1080Ti now. Why this year where market is still fresh with those 2 cards. Don't tell me, like Raevenlord stated, market demands. For business It might be possible but didn't NV also stated that Volta will be for gaming as well? If they release gaming card based on Volta architecture now and scam their own cards that would be foolish. I always say that Vega may be nice performer which makes NV worried. I don't know that for sure but hurrying up like that with all the cards released this year is strange. Especially when you jeopardize your own cards and sales. everybody knows the marketing and you never hurry with any card especially when you have 2 new released few months before.
Unless they release it for business this year only and next year for gaming. Which might be the strategy :) Not sure which market is bigger. regular consumers or business. I think the first one which is mostly gaming.
It's been stated here before, NVIDIA has a contractual obligation to deliver a Volta part to various customers (one of those being the U.S. Government) by the end of this year. THAT will be the Volta part that will be launched IMO. Consumers still wont see Volta until next year.
 
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This can't be desktop Volta:
a) it would make the 11 Gbps Pascal line obsolete
b) nobody would buy 1080 Ti if they can get a better and cheaper 2070

Unless:
a) Volta is only Pascal refresh
b) RX Vega is a killer card
c) JHH has gone mad :)

Pick the most probable one :p
You forgot d) all of the above. :)
 
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Perhaps I was a little unclear, I see three options:
* Pascal is actually Maxwell v3. Which means NVIDIA has basically had since Maxwell v1 to design a brand-new architecture (Volta v1). Given that, it is plausible that Volta v1 is done and ready for release in Q3.
...
No, Pascal was introduced to bring some of the features from Volta before all of Volta could be completed. Pascal features changes in cache and memory controllers, mixed precision cores, among other things. Pascal is derived from Maxwell, with a lot of modifications.
Volta is a completely new architecture, which is something AMD have not done since the first GCN.

My personal belief is that Volta will be a new arch and NVIDIA will be releasing it in Q3 to business only (similar to the Tesla P100 mezzanine cards)...
We know Nvidia will deliver a (limited) quantity of GV100 based Tesla cards to a data center in Q3, consumer products will be arriving later.
 
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Vega will probably match a 1080 (non-Ti) overall and probably beat it in DX12 and Vulkan games. Nvidia won't take that lying down especially if AMD can put a reasonable price on it. There's $$$ to be made in the mid-range segment and Nvidia likes $$$ and being on top. They will respond with a Pascal refresh most likely. The next few months should be interesting for GPUs. Consumer Volta will come later with the mid-range Voltas and the ridiculously priced Titan Volta first. It's probably more than a year away for the Volta 1180 Ti to finally drop.
 
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#43
I apologize for offending you. None meant and i sincerely don't try to start any flame wars. All the info thus released from leaks suggested May 2017.
It's gone quiet recently but I'm repeating a well versed mantra about release dates.

Again, sorry to offend you.
Don't placate/patronize me, it is beneath you. We can do without the hyperbole too.

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