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Well honestly the way i see it does not really matter what platform you use if all the testing is done on that same platform,we are comparing cooler vs cooler here after all,no reason the deltas between them would be different on haswell/ivy.
Right, you just need to know about what the heatload is he's pushing.

Well responses can be interpreted differently.:slap:

:laugh: Too true. Just remember, the only reason we have cooler reviews right now is because I paid for that hardware he's using. How about a thanks for having the reviews at all, instead of complaining?
 
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Right, you just need to know about what the heatload is he's pushing.




:laugh: Too true. Just remember, the only reason we have cooler reviews right now is because I paid for that hardware he's using. How about a thanks for having the reviews at all, instead of complaining?
To be truthful, most would not know that their is a limitation to hardware here and that is the case with me..... Had no idea.:banghead:
 

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To be truthful, most would not know that their is a limitation to hardware here and that is the case with me..... Had no idea.:banghead:
Such is the case with most sites. We all have limited resources. More so here, due to the lack of ads. Crazy doing coolers was all my thing, I "hired" him, set him up with hardware, and I continue to make sure he has what he needs. W1zzard covers what I don't when he can.


Crazy is still "new" at cooler reviews, been doing it for about 7-8 months. As he builds his "name" up, he'll have access to a wider variety of hardware. There wasn't anyone really doing coolers before him for some time, so this is very much a whole new venture. And he's very good at what he does, I think. If there is something that seems odd, he'll have an explanation. The hardware he has...that was all me.
 
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Dave, it does seem you mad the Stanley Cup is here in Chicago, quit taking it out on me Canucka! :nutkick:
 

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Lulz. ;)
 
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while Ivy and Haswell may run hotter temps in general you can't compare them to a E CPU. Big difference as the 4/8 thread 3770/4700 run TDP of 77-85w the E are 125w , then you OC it and it would go through roof compared to 3770's .

You can easy see this with coolers like 212evo, or this one in review , on 1155/50 3770/4770 these coolers do ok up to like 4.5 OC , sure they tend to run a littler hotter than big tower HS .
But then you run them on 2011 E CPU and they fall on there face once you OC, even mild OK .
 

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Most people do not use "E" CPU's so the review is more relevant to more users.
 
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Although we covered the reason why, your statement is an Oxymoron.... LOL
 

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Although we covered the reason why, your statement is an Oxymoron.... LOL
Lol, no my statement is just plain wrong considering I thought he was using Ivy Bridge or Haswell. Hurr durr :laugh:
 
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I still don't understand why (or even how) people don't understand the concept of cooler reviews.

When testing values/numbers, you would want a heat source. The higher the heat source, the more evident the differences in cooling are. At what point anyone can say that a 1150/1155 socket chip will produce higher thermal than 2011 is absolutely absurd (They use more costly solder under the IHS and DO NOT include a stock cooler for a reason). I also know that crazy's test bed uses an exceptionally high thermal chip. The idea isn't to show how high a chip can overclock with a cooler, its how low a temp can be at equivalent overclocking.

When testing compatibility, then the platforms are more important. The only reason I can see why Drdeathx might be "complaining" is because not all mounting brackets are equivalent. In that respect, yes reviews may swing in results if the mounting equipment for 2011, 1150, and 1155 offer different results, which would be truly unfortunate for anyone who isn't specifically on the exact test bed that the reviewer is using (let alone using AMD...WHOA NOW!) since the motherboard, case, chip, and other random factors could all play into the bracketology of coolers.
 

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This is about the cooler, not the chip/board/socket/TDP or anything else. You take a known load(cpu), then test how good each cooler is at scrubbing the heat.

There is no need to argue about chips socket or tdp's.
 
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I still don't understand why (or even how) people don't understand the concept of cooler reviews.

When testing values/numbers, you would want a heat source. The higher the heat source, the more evident the differences in cooling are. At what point anyone can say that a 1150/1155 socket chip will produce higher thermal than 2011 is absolutely absurd (They use more costly solder under the IHS and DO NOT include a stock cooler for a reason). I also know that crazy's test bed uses an exceptionally high thermal chip. The idea isn't to show how high a chip can overclock with a cooler, its how low a temp can be at equivalent overclocking.

When testing compatibility, then the platforms are more important. The only reason I can see why Drdeathx might be "complaining" is because not all mounting brackets are equivalent. In that respect, yes reviews may swing in results if the mounting equipment for 2011, 1150, and 1155 offer different results, which would be truly unfortunate for anyone who isn't specifically on the exact test bed that the reviewer is using (let alone using AMD...WHOA NOW!) since the motherboard, case, chip, and other random factors could all play into the bracketology of coolers.
Not to beat a dead horse with you guys....FYI, I own a 3930K and a 3770K(3770K just left the crib BTW). The 3770K on lower voltage and equal clocks runs hotter. Some 3770K's do not require a lot of voltage some do granted but on average Non extreme 3770K and 4770K run hotter. The point is the average guy and not the enthusiast. Average guys using a non extreme chip will look at the extreme chip being used and think:

1- Their 3770K/4770K will achieve the same results(these chips on average run hotter than extreme chips)

2- Will just bypass the review seeing it is not what they own or are planning to buy. Very few own extreme chips and they are not mainstream.

I get the fact that your looking at overall performance and I can differentiate the variance or fact that it is not the same chip/ platform. I am not complaining just constructive criticism not knowing he only has the 3960K. Mounting makes no difference if the coolers are installed properly too BTW.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse with you guys....FYI, I own a 3930K and a 3770K(3770K just left the crib BTW). The 3770K on lower voltage and equal clocks runs hotter. Some 3770K's do not require a lot of voltage some do granted but on average Non extreme 3770K and 4770K run hotter.
The problem with doing cooler reviews is the fact that there are a few things which needs to be measured, but its too complicated to do it properly:

1. Heat transfer from chip to cooler: Ivybridge and Haswell are prime offenders in this problem, the heat cannot transfer efficiently to the cooler because of the shitty TIM they use between the IHS and the chip itself. Is this the fault of the cooler or the fault of the chip?

2. Cooling curve of the cooler: It is well known that a heatspreader works better the bigger the temperature difference between the "item to be cooled" and "the place where heat is dumped" is, and this creates a problem: some heatsinks are designed to be efficient at high temperatures (eg 40C temp difference), and not as efficient with lower delta (eg 10C difference). Is this necessarily better than a heatsink which reaches the peak efficiency at 20C temp difference? Water coolers are pretty bad at low temp difference, but when you ramp up the heat load air coolers fall behind.

3770K suffers from the first: you need something efficient to remove heat from the chip, not dissipate it, whereas 3930K's main problem lies in the second: heatsinks not able to dissipate all the heat generated.
 
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There are alot of other things that will influence the temperature of your CPU than if its a 3770k or a 3930k: Ambient temps,case airflow,other components in the system.
This is why i use these kind of reviews to see how a cooler does vs a cooler and not what to expect on my system.
 

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There are alot of other things that will influence the temperature of your CPU than if its a 3770k or a 3930k: Ambient temps,case airflow,other components in the system.
Not to mention differences in the chips, which has been explained.
 

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Heres a few other things no one thinks about either

Height above sea level influences temps aka the higher you are above sea level the thinner the air which results in higher temps me and cadaveca have discussed this numerous times as he as my 7970 DCU II TOP which in the same ambients is nearly 10C hotter due to difference in the air because of his height above sea level.

There are many many factors in how a cooler performs and the CPU shouldnt mean squat, s sustained heatload makes more sense however when tested that way many users cannot relate to the data presented thus CPUs are generally used. I would test every current platform if I could but theres a few problems with that.

1) Cost
2) Space - my office is small I have just enough room for one test rig and a Photography bench to take all my shots.
3) Time - testing / mounting / writing up data on three different test systems
4) Review format (how to present the data etc)
5) Review Length, imagine having Install procedure on 3 different systems thats 3 pages, then for temperatures and test systems thats another 3 pages with everything else the review would be longer than any reviews ever done on TPU pretty damn quickly.

There are many factors to take into consideration that very few people actually bother to think about.
 
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Great review Ray :respect: I don't care for the copper heat pipes in direct contact with the cpu. How much tim was all over the place when you removed the cooler? and what method of applying the tim do you use, line, dot,,?

And a big thanks to dave and wizz for helping Crazyeyes to expand his testing :rockout:

I was also called an Asshat :roll:
 

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