Official X1950Pro vs 7900GS Database

[imperialreign]

maybe your CPU is dyslexic and thinks you underclocked it

 

[p_o_s_pc]

maybe your CPU is dyslexic and thinks you underclocked it

that wouldn't surprise me any.... maybe i should underclock it so it thinks it is running overclocked.

 

[p_o_s_pc]

underclocking it didn't help any it made my score drop

 

[mitsirfishi]

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here is my screens i told you i was going to put up i see it says 2.8 in your sys specs does that mean i can raise mine to 2.8 why should i lose ground
if that is the case i should and probilly will break the 11k barrier on 05 and maybe get 54xx in 06 cheapskate

 

[p_o_s_pc]

i have had mine running at 2.5ghz because of temps i can't set it to 2.8ghz.

 

[mitsirfishi]

lap your cpu and hs get better temps what temps do you get at 2.8ghz ? when i had my 3800 at 2.85ghz it ran 55c tops on a arctic cooler at 1.6v you checked that you got enough thermo paste ? and a good contact

 

[Morgoth]

yeah my cpu is massivly holding me back


i almost get him with my FX5700

just wait til i get my new psu the i clock this thing higher

 

[mitsirfishi]

maybe a updated rig with a c2d might help you get there but a 250watt psu that is dire :|

 

[theonetruewill]

i have had mine running at 2.5ghz because of temps i can't set it to 2.8ghz.

Is your Cooler actually any good. It's not like AC 64 pro's are expensive. It might be able to allow you the higher overclock.

 

[mitsirfishi]

also if i can give my amd 6000 full wack at 3.55ghz at mad volts then im sure yours can do 2.85 also mine produces more heatoutput aswell

 

[Deleted member 24505]

it seems to me,the 7900gs is better on aquamark.my 7900gs got 140,000.

is it coz of the way aquamark runs? ie-opengl or summat.

 

[mitsirfishi]

yer aquamark runs open gl and 03 is the only other thing where the x1950 get beat so i think can we wrap this up and say the x1950 is a winner ?

 

[theonetruewill]

yer aquamark runs open gl and 03 is the only other thing where the x1950 get beat so i think can we wrap this up and say the x1950 is a winner ?

I'm not seeing the 7900GS owners seeing it that way
To be honest I believe the cards to be very evenly matched. For the casual buyer who won't overclock I definitely would advise the X1950Pro over the 7900GS as I think it just edges it at stock speeds. However with volt-mods especially, the 7900GS can make up considerable ground when it comes to overclocking. It completely pounds the ATi cards in 3DMark03 and AquaMark3 but doesn't quite manage it in 3D05/6. The FEAR results I'm afraid may be slightly flawed when it comes to my X1900GT. I have done recent tests and the results have fluctuated by such a large margin that I think it may be RAM having some major heat issues. While still only being @ 2.2v when benching and normal play- they have been overheating recently to a dangerous degree. This has had a direct negative impact on my results over the last month and recently I compiled my results to test if my theory was correct. Unfortunately it seems it is. If I shove a 120mm over them and do the test immediately after boot I get great scores, if not- then they get worse consistently with temperature increases. I however cannot mount a 120mm in there permanently due to case restrictions. Special mention has to be made though to both tigger69, [IRA]_FBI for their great scores and benching. I'd also like to thank mitsirfishi for leaving us his Crossfire scores- while I'd have liked some 7900GS scores as well you can't have everything. I will update this thread but the debate is largely over as you can see from the results. Both cards are great and petty flame wars on threads can be mowed down with the proof from this thread if such an annoying case occurs (as it does all the time...). Thanks for all your guys efforts towards the database and I hope my efforts towards it were sufficient.

theonetruewill

 

[Morgoth]

its great to help

 

[mitsirfishi]

not to mention need for speed carbon

 

[imperialreign]

The only thing that has irked me with the scores, though, is I'm really interested in seeing how well the 1950s could do if they could be properly OC (not that lame 5-10% offered through Overdrive or ATiTool), but it seems the cards themselves need to be properly modded for such an endeavor.

Honestly, once I recieve my mobo back from RMA, I'm going to see how helpful some information I've found, and other info y'all have dug up, will be in v-modding my 1950. It'll only be slight at first, as I still need a better air cooling solution for the card, then I'll try and take it higher.

I still find it interesting, though, how poorly the 1950's do in 3m03 and Aquamark. I still would've liked to see a comparison in an OpenGL benchmark, but I'm sure the 7900's would whip ass running that API.

 

[mitsirfishi]

i dont know they just dont really bother with that same situation when i had 2 A64's and x800xtpe in one pc and 6800ultra the 6800 cained it in 03 and in 05 it fell behind abit but in there day where serious cards

 

[Deleted member 24505]

i got a slightly higer 06 score with the new p5k-premium board


http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=14&XLID=0&UID=11218200

 

[p_o_s_pc]

lap your cpu and hs get better temps what temps do you get at 2.8ghz ? when i had my 3800 at 2.85ghz it ran 55c tops on a arctic cooler at 1.6v you checked that you got enough thermo paste ? and a good contact

i run 54-56c IDLE and shuts off under load at 65c my HSF sucks

 

[p_o_s_pc]

i got a higher OC on video card 602/965

 

[Kursah]

I can't believe how long the 7900gs vs 1950pro has actually been going on. And it's been up and down for both cards, both are very competetive and have proven to be winners in the price segment they represent. It seems that if more successful v-mods arise for the 1950pro it could take back some credit that the 7900's have commanded with their v-mods and great clocks.

In the end both are great cards in their own rights. But I will be interested to see some more v-mods for 1950pros. I may give it a shot before I replace it w/2900pro.

 

[Widjaja]

In the end both are great cards in their own rights. But I will be interested to see some more v-mods for 1950pros. I may give it a shot before I replace it w/2900pro.

Yeah the cards are pretty equal which made this database interesting.
I agree the GS has a better chance of stable and higher OC's than the pro.
But when it comes to real world gaming the drivers come into play and smooth gaming performance e.g stutters even with high fps can still suck for either card.

What an ATi kicks arse all round in an nVidia blurry and laggy.
What an nVidia pwns with game smoothness an ATi gets niggling stutters in which makes whatever high fps pointless.

I am not bias towards either as I have experienced issues from both.

 

[imperialreign]

I can't believe how long the 7900gs vs 1950pro has actually been going on. And it's been up and down for both cards, both are very competetive and have proven to be winners in the price segment they represent. It seems that if more successful v-mods arise for the 1950pro it could take back some credit that the 7900's have commanded with their v-mods and great clocks.

In the end both are great cards in their own rights. But I will be interested to see some more v-mods for 1950pros. I may give it a shot before I replace it w/2900pro.

just posted this up in the x1~/2k~ thread; v-mod info for the capacitor 1950 PRO's.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=130982

In my search for info that might work with my card, I've also run across a few other pages for various 1950 PRO/GT models and PCBs that I've bookmarked if anyone wants me to link them.

 

[mitsirfishi]

thing what ive noticed not just with my x1950pro the cores seem to be limited at around 655 that is limit of the chips capibilites on air memory generally gets 1.6ghz if they had use 1ns or something on those lines then it would make up for the cores limited clock on the core anything more than 655 is lucky even if your vmodded

 

[Kursah]

just posted this up in the x1~/2k~ thread; v-mod info for the capacitor 1950 PRO's.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=130982

In my search for info that might work with my card, I've also run across a few other pages for various 1950 PRO/GT models and PCBs that I've bookmarked if anyone wants me to link them.

Well when you can find a vmod that will work for the GPU on a VRM based x1950PCB let me know! I got my card to bench at 628/756, I'll post those results now, but it seemed touch and go, it would be fine for a while then it'd get artifacted, and I'd restart with the same clocks, and it'd be fine for hours and hours. It's GPU/Mem error, I am using Everest to track my VRM temps as-well (thanks to Peachy), and the hottest they get is 100C, which is still 20 some degrees less than the failing point of the VRM's...still hot though! I will be implementing some sort of fan cooling towards the VRM's to see if I can possibly attain a higher stable OC. It still irks me that I can't hit 650 on the core...it doesn't get higher than 53C at load ATM.

My scores did increase slightly, 1k in AQ3 and a small handful in the rest of the 3dm scores...