Okay I got this card.

[trickson]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125919
I am going to be replacing the HD5870 card for DX12 too. Any thoughts on this card?

 

[Vayra86]

What is your goal for gaming? Quality, resolution, FPS

 

[Toothless]

Sure, if you like low quality settings.

 

[jboydgolfer]

they make a 4Gb ver of that in TI, if its out of your price range, my suggestion would be (aside from the apocalypse) , there couldnt be a worse time to order Any video card aside from what cant possibly be used for mining right now. wait for the effect of the scab miners to reside, then make a purchase.

 

[trickson]

What is your goal for gaming? Quality, resolution, FPS

Better than what I have now. I am not sure I have a card that plays all my games just fine to be sure. I just want to upgrade the current card for the new platform I have. will I see any improvements? Or did I piss 150 bucks away?
Not looking to mine nor do I have any interest in it. Seems that this mining stuff is more important than EVERYTHING! WTFHTTW!
You can't seem to get anywhere without hearing about mining when talking about vedio cards WTF?

 

[jboydgolfer]

Better than what I have now. I am not sure I have a card that plays all my games just fine to be sure. I just want to upgrade the current card for the new platform I have. will I see any improvements? Or did I piss 150 bucks away?

Well I'm guessing you didn't piss away the money ,because you can likely return it unless you bought it secondhand, or in some other type of non-retail deal. It's not a bad video card by any means. My nephew has the 750 TI which also has 2 GB and he plays all kinds of video games just fine. As long as you don't anticipate anything above 1080 P at reasonable frames ,and reasonable settings ,you'll be just fine

 

[trickson]

Well I'm guessing you didn't piss away the money ,because you can likely return it unless you bought it secondhand, or in some other type of non-retail deal. It's not a bad video card by any means. My nephew has the 750 TI which also has 2 GB and he plays all kinds of video games just fine. As long as you don't anticipate anything above 1080 P at reasonable frames ,and reasonable settings ,you'll be just fine

No nothing over 1080p I'm not 4K ready yet.

 

[jboydgolfer]

No nothing over 1080p I'm not 4K ready yet.

id guess you should expect around 50%-70% more HP out of that little GPU over your 5870, not to mention it probably doesnt even use a PCI power plug , theyre great little Cards. 10/10 bananas

 

[trickson]

id guess you should expect around 50%-70% more HP out of that little GPU over your 5870, not to mention it probably doesnt even use a PCI power plug , theyre great little Cards. 10/10 bananas

I noticed that there are no power connection too lol getting it all from the PCI-E slot? I like that.
Thank you that is what I wanted to know really a 50% - 70% increase is well worth the cash I spent.

 

[Athlon2K15]

What games you playing? I use a 1050Ti for a lot games and its just fine at 3440 x 1440

 

[trickson]

What games you playing? I use a 1050Ti for a lot games and its just fine at 3440 x 1440

BF3 and metro 2033 mostly.

 

[jboydgolfer]

I noticed that there are no power connection too lol getting it all from the PCI-E slot? I like that.
Thank you that is what I wanted to know really a 50% - 70% increase is well worth the cash I spent.

a good find @ $150 if thats the link to your cards price.

 

[trickson]

a good find @ $150 if thats the link to your cards price.

Thank you yes it is. I just went on new egg saw this card at this price looked at the new DX12 and all and well jumped at it. I must admit I know little to nothing about the card offerings today but can't imagine it could be bad or worse than my current card.
Thank you.

 

[eidairaman1]

I guess it has enough power over a 5870. A 1060 and 290 match up

 

[natr0n]

Should be able to play anything modern with that.

pretty close to your system

 

[hat]

It'll do a fair bit better than your old 5870 for sure.

 

[navair2]

It'll do a fair bit better than your old 5870 for sure.

+1, but reservedly so.

I say that because you've just cut your power requirements in half ( from 188 watts down to a max of 75 watts for total draw ), and increased your overall graphics horsepower a bit by trading the 5870 for the GTX 1050...but it's not quite as simple as all that. For its time, the 5870 was one of the best cards made, and gave Nivida a run for its money for over 6 months before they responded with the "little heater" known as the GTX 480. Nvidia then spent quite awhile trying to get the 480 to perform as good as the 5870 without popping circuit breakers ( 250 watts draw vs 188 watts ), but they still couldn't really beat the 5870 until the GTX 500 series was released late the next fall.

Now you have a card that can beat the 5870 hands down in Anti-Aliasing ( smoothing out image quality ) and pixel fill rate ( basically polygon drawing rate ), but your old card was ahead of its time in using the same GDDR5 memory for its graphics memory and does slightly better in texture fill rate ( polygon "density" or object quality drawing rate ) . Long story-short? Your new card is very nearly the same performer as your old one...only a LOT more efficient and able to run higher resolutions easier.

Why the long explanation? Nvidia and AMD both "gimp" their lower end graphics cards by turning off internal sections of the GPU and memory addressing, effectively limiting their processing power; so, you get less card for less money. What you had in the ATI ( AMD ) 5870, was one very nice card for its time ( 2009 ) and what you have now is one "middle class" card for its time ( 2016 ). You'll definitely see a bump up in frame rates using the same settings, but I'm not sure how much it will be. However, that "bump" will be better even at higher resolutions, IMO.


Finally, with graphics card prices artificially inflated due to the currency miner "explosion", you wouldn't be able to touch anything else new for the money you've spent if you send it back for a refund; I'd say, keep what you have and use it well.

 

[hat]

Digging through old TPU reviews, it's about as strong as a 7970, which is about 30% stronger than the 5870.

 

[trickson]

+1, but reservedly so.

I say that because you've just cut your power requirements in half ( from 188 watts down to a max of 75 watts for total draw ), and increased your overall graphics horsepower a bit by trading the 5870 for the GTX 1050...but it's not quite as simple as all that. For its time, the 5870 was one of the best cards made, and gave Nivida a run for its money for over 6 months before they responded with the "little heater" known as the GTX 480. Nvidia then spent quite awhile trying to get the 480 to perform as good as the 5870 without popping circuit breakers ( 250 watts draw vs 188 watts ), but they still couldn't really beat the 5870 until the GTX 500 series was released late the next fall.

Now you have a card that can beat the 5870 hands down in Anti-Aliasing ( smoothing out image quality ) and pixel fill rate ( basically polygon drawing rate ), but your old card was ahead of its time in using the same GDDR5 memory for its graphics memory and does slightly better in texture fill rate ( polygon "density" or object quality drawing rate ) . Long story-short? Your new card is very nearly the same performer as your old one...only a LOT more efficient and able to run higher resolutions easier.

Why the long explanation? Nvidia and AMD both "gimp" their lower end graphics cards by turning off internal sections of the GPU and memory addressing, effectively limiting their processing power; so, you get less card for less money. What you had in the ATI ( AMD ) 5870, was one very nice card for its time ( 2009 ) and what you have now is one "middle class" card for its time ( 2016 ). You'll definitely see a bump up in frame rates using the same settings, but I'm not sure how much it will be. However, that "bump" will be better even at higher resolutions, IMO.


Finally, with graphics card prices artificially inflated due to the currency miner "explosion", you wouldn't be able to touch anything else new for the money you've spent if you send it back for a refund; I'd say, keep what you have and use it well.

Thank you very much! See this is what I was looking for. Some one that could explain it to me.
I have been doing some comparing of my own and have to say that my old Q9650 setup (9 years old) is running alongside the new system I just built. That is to say I spent 600 bucks for a more modern system that runs at the same "pace" as the old one! LMFAO! WOW AMD Ryzen 3 1300X at 3.5GHz DDR4 same speed and same game play as old system. Some benchmarks are so close I can't even tell. CPU-Z gives me 3.95 for BOTH systems! LOL! And its almost as close in Cinabench15!

 

[NdMk2o1o]

As far as I can see the ryzen system is nearly double that of your old system in both cpu and fps

 

[EarthDog]

I mean, its better than what you have, but, its still an incredibly weak card for gaming 1080p. 1060 6GB or bust for 1080p gaming bud.

Thank you very much! See this is what I was looking for. Some one that could explain it to me.
I have been doing some comparing of my own and have to say that my old Q9650 setup (9 years old) is running alongside the new system I just built. That is to say I spent 600 bucks for a more modern system that runs at the same "pace" as the old one! LMFAO! WOW AMD Ryzen 3 1300X at 3.5GHz DDR4 same speed and same game play as old system. Some benchmarks are so close I can't even tell. CPU-Z gives me 3.95 for BOTH systems! LOL! And its almost as close in Cinabench15!

Sweet jebus man... I would look at your images before you say they are running at the same 'pace' as the old one. First SS shows a 561 score and the other shows 333. If you math, that works out to the Ryzen being nearly 50% faster. And that is just the CPU score.

 

[trickson]

I mean, its better than what you have, but, its still an incredibly weak card for gaming 1080p. 1060 6GB or bust for 1080p gaming bud.

Sweet jebus man... I would look at your images before you say they are running at the same 'pace' as the old one. First SS shows a 561 score and the other shows 333. If you math, that works out to the Ryzen being nearly 50% faster. And that is just the CPU score.

well relatively close for the amount of years it has been that is what I mean. I was looking for the big bang, like going from a P4 to and AMD 4400+.
I don't know my expectations were higher is all.

 

[EarthDog]

well relatively close for the amount of years it has been that is what I mean. I was looking for the big bang, like going from a P4 to and AMD.
I don't know my expectations were higher is all.

50% is a big bang... and this jump was more than P4 to AMD back in the day. We also have no idea what clocks those CPUs are at so....

....yeah.

 

[trickson]

50% is a big bang... and this jump was more than P4 to AMD back in the day. We also have no idea what clocks those CPUs are at so....

....yeah.

I'm not good at math.
But this is how I am thinking see if this makes sense.
In the past (since It has been 8 years since I have purchased anything new.) the socket 939 and Athlon XP days each iteration of a CPU was a gain of at least 50% (or so) over the last CPU built for said chipset.
You could gain a shit ton of performance from just installing a new CPU line and a bios update. Up to 50% over the last gen.
Now take that mind set with you 9 Years into the future and compare the results vs, I should under my own flawed logic see an improvement of at best 150- 200% NOT 50%.
See what I mean? I mean it's like for 9 years all they have done is add cores and run up prices.
Am I happy with the system I have and the CPU OH YES I AM VERY. Just in my flawed logic and reasoning I feel it could have been far bigger bang than the 9 year wait was worth!

 

[navair2]

Trickson,

From my vantage point, by making the statement, " That is to say I spent 600 bucks for a more modern system that runs at the same "pace" as the old one! ", what I actually see you trying to get across ( and I totally understand ) is, that for all the wattage consumption and CPU and graphics horsepower that was inherent in a 2009-ish build containing a 95 watt LGA 775 Intel Q9560 ( nearly TOP of the line for that time ) and an AMD 5870, your apparent performance hasn't jumped all that much compared with a 65 watt AM4 AMD Ryzen 1300x paired with a GTX 1050. At first glance, I would agree... until I ran the numbers.

I'll break it down for you:

In 2009, Intel's best CPU paired with AMD's best graphics card would get you excellent frame rates on all the games of that time. They were coded and designed at a certain level and with either DX 9.0c or DX 10, and it took hardware of a certain level to make them play well. Anyone remember the saying, " Yeah, but can it play Crysis?" ? I do.

Now you have budget level hardware and you're still getting the same apparent performance that you once got from a $530 Intel Q9650 and a $500 AMD 5870...only you've spent far less less money. Bang-for-buck, you're doing at least as good as you did with approximately $1,500 of total hardware ( motherboard, RAM, CPU and graphics card ) in 2009 dollars ( which is worth $1,700 now )...and you've only spent $600 to get it . BUT, look at the pictures you posted again. What do you see? Even with the old HD 5870 as a graphics card, your score on Cinebench 15 is almost doubled. The past 9 years has given the designers of hardware time to improve in so many ways...in automotive terms, you have a new 8 cylinder under the hood that can actually far outpace the 8 cylinder you once had...for a lot less money. AND, they're now making 16 cylinder engines that can leave your old 8 cylinder in the dust for the same price you once paid.


All you have to do now to take advantage of the technological leap, is to pair the eminently more powerful and efficient Ryzen 1300X, with a graphics card that can take advantage of it. Given Ryzen's architecture, it should be able to push at least a GTX 1070 without even breaking a sweat, IMO. I haven't see the single-threaded performance, but I'm sure that with it's efficiency and processing power, it far outstrips the Q9650 ( which would choke on a 1070 even at 1080p in today's games, I imagine ).




Try running Cinebench 15 with the new processor and new graphics card...I bet you have even better results.