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Ive been googling around regarding this subject, and while the general consensus says not to bother going with a dedicated LAN card (unless its made by realtek because their just junk) Theres not actually any outstanding reasons why not to get a dedicated card apart from it maybe being a waste of money & space.

Quite a lot of the mid-high end motherboards these days come with a decent built in Intel nic but do you think getting a dedicated nic is worthwhile?

Im running a gigabit LAN, i regularly transfer files over between my PC and NAS, but im also a gamer and getting lower latency is always an added bonus.

the built in nic is a Intel 82579V which I have had no problems with so far, its fast enough for gaming, fast enough for data transfers and pretty much anything require but im still trying to find ways where i can squeeze out every last ounce of advantage wherever I can and dedicated nic's are something I haven't touched in a LOOOOOOONG time.


If i were to get a dedicated nic it would be a Intel EXPI9301CTBLK PRO1000

So I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

And yes - I know that having a dedicated nic can make very little performance if nothing at all when it comes to gaming as I have observed over the years with Bigfoot's Killer Nic.

Worth it? Yes or no?


::EDIT::

Also reading through quite a few user feedback/reviews on newegg about the same dedicated Intel Nic and reviews are quite positive. with most people stating that their internet browsing feels more responsive, pages load up faster, faster downloads & Uploads etc etc and one of the reviewers even has a Asus Sabertooth AMD board. Lots of mishmash of platforms Z77, X79 etc etc - reviews are quite positive
 
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There is no need. Latency is important sure, but one or two ms here and there is not.

And about the edit thing, I really don't believe that. It's like people saying AMD setups just feel faster, that is a load of hogwash. It depends on what they are comparing it too though. If you run crappy wireless NIC's over a crappy router and then switch to a good Intel nic and you have a fast internet connection you might notice the change.
 
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with most people stating that their internet browsing feels more responsive, pages load up faster, faster downloads & Uploads etc etc and one of the reviewers even has a Asus Sabertooth AMD board.

These people also claim that HDD's are faster on SATA3.
If someone took out the NIC without them knowing they wouldn't notice...

I would say that for general use it's not worth it.
 

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Well, newegg reviews/feedback aside. Reviews on other sites are also quite positive.
 
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These people also claim that HDD's are faster on SATA3.
If someone took out the NIC without them knowing they wouldn't notice...

I would say that for general use it's not worth it.

I also agree it's not worth it, the performance difference between on-board and dedicated (if there is one) isn't going to be enough to be quantifiable no matter how much you say your browser 'responds quicker'.

As long as you're on a gigabit ethernet, with a gigabit ethernet router (at which point you'll be optimized for your NAS transfers) you're always going to be limited by the latency and bandwidth provided from your internet connection (unless you happen to have one of those miracle gigabit fiber networks!).

It seems however your still quite set on it though because of your comment about the reviews. :rolleyes:
 
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If it has onboard intel nic, no need for seperate imo.
 
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I would get a dedicated Intel one if you plan on doing anything with hypervisors due to compatibility and ease of management. Most hypervisors have drivers for Intel NIC (but are scarce on other brands) and work great, as they are the most used in servers.
 
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My on board Intel nic has more settings than i know what they are for.

 

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It's really not worth it unless you need an extra network connection or you're planning on using 10Gbps, which is still very expensive. Most internal ethernet adapters use PCI-E and will respond fairly quickly and can saturate 1Gbps.
 
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what you realy need for gaming is router/switch that has high WAN to LAN and LAN to WAN throughtput. you can use this to find what router can utilize those cat6 cables you have invested in. charts are mostly for wearless routers but there are few wired entries. you can use filters to sort em.
 
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For home use, nah dont even bother...... it will just populate your PCI slots wherein much better if you have soundcard instead or other necessary accessories instead.....

if you however use it on server, might be good. But like other people claimed, thats also depending on your connection / router. Even if you have the fastest and best router but you have a crappy connection, no point. It wouldnt even matter even if you have dedicated NIC card....

I have been using my onboard NIC, not so good router (DIR-655) but got a good connection (100mbps) at home, no problem...... guess soon i will find a very good router cause they are always upgrading here on their connections :nutkick:
 

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I was tempted to buy the Intel nic but i decided not to. Would be nice to test one out though but i don't have a spare intel nic for that. Maybe at a later date I might grab one just for the lols
 

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Small update, I did quite a lot of lurking and re-search. and i purchased a EXPI9400PT and EXPI9301CT.

I purchased both because I was a complete tard and didnt find out that the CT is newer and the successor of the PT which was released in '05, by then it was already too late to cancel the order of the PT.

Both cards should arrive tomorrow so i'll be able to have a close look at them and find out how different the cards really are before i send the PT back for a refund.

Depending what time they arrive I might not have time to test them as im doing the 12-9pm shift. Should be home in time for BF4 to be launched here in the UK so BF4 will become my testing ground.

Should be fun to see what difference it makes though I already know the 'improvements' wont exactly be a huge leap forward.

Might just make for slightly lower ping/latency, smoother gameplay as the network performance is more consistent.

should make a difference in file transfer tests though and i juggle files between my pc and NAS quite a lot
 

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If you are building a router then I would say yea a add in dual NIC would be worth it but for gaming and file transfers I would say no unless your motherboard only has 10/100
 

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Might just make for slightly lower ping/latency, smoother gameplay as the network performance is more consistent.

It shouldn't be noticable. More consistent maybe, but as I said before, a few microseconds here and there has little impact on anything.
 

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nope. not building a router, though I might do when i eventually get my own place :p I will build a super server that would put most super servers to shame.

Ive only got space on my setup for 1 nic so its gonna be which ever one performs better. but I kinda want the PT because it has a heatsink on it :p

the CT should offer better if not the same performance so its a bit of a moot point keeping the PT when the PT is the more expensive card out of the two and i dont need it
 

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nope. not building a router, though I might do when i eventually get my own place :p I will build a super server that would put most super servers to shame.

Ive only got space on my setup for 1 nic so its gonna be which ever one performs better. but I kinda want the PT because it has a heatsink on it :p

the CT should offer better if not the same performance so its a bit of a moot point keeping the PT when i can get quite a bit of money back

You could do speed tests with both the card plus your onboard and I would venture to say there wont be much of a difference.
 

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Well, part of curiosity was drawn from this guys video


If you jump to 1:40 he uses speedtest.net to test out internet transfere speeds and the intel was ahead by a fair margin, and when it comes to web surfing most people who did run with didicated nics say web surfing became more responsive/smoother.

but overall you're probably right. I dont think there will be a huge amount of difference but I wont know that till I get one of these plugged in and see for myself.

Think of it as an experiment if you will.

For a long time motherboards have come with built in nics and people have got used to plugging straight into that instead of going with a dedicated nic. Also theres very few threads about the whole built-in vs dedicated nic on the internets and those threads are answered by people who have never even tried running with a decent dedicated nic let alone thought about it and just advise to stick to built in unless their having trouble with it because its the easiest answer/solution. But then again the Intel Pro CT network cards don't exactly cost a lot and its worth a punt.

If there is negligible difference with both cards at the end of the day then i can even send both of them back
 
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Intel NIC is the best out of most others, including the Killer NIC. That said, I sure as hell wouldn't worry about it unless you are getting paid to play games.

This has been tested a bit on the net as well... perhaps try some google to see some results. :)
 

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Well, I missed the morning delivery. but i swear the delivery guy didnt give me enough time to get out of bed to open the door. by the time i managed to open the door I didnt even get to see him walking away so at least id know which direction to chase him.

What an asshole. I bet it was because it was raining that he didnt want to stand out there for another 5 seconds.

Tried to get out of work the next day just so i can be home cuz my dad was home but hes sleeping like a fucking bear after coming home from night shift so i know i cant rely on him.

Boss said no but hes pushed my shift back abit so i start at 12pm instead of 10pm. *sigh* guy was begging me to go into work because they didnt have anyone else to cover the shift. I so wanted to get drunk and play BF4 all night :(
 

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Benching a NIC with speedtest is terrible, if you want lower latency and faster speeds complain to your ISP and they will most likely do nothing about it. If you want a good look at your ISP and level 1 providers they peer with look into the atlas.ripe.net(free)project. If you are looking for improvements locally then a second NIC might help.
 

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No fun when i cant play BF4 all night

I don't have BF4 and somehow wine plus other games seem to work just as well. Try to not let it ruin your evening.
 

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Well im home and currently got the Intel Pro PT card installed. Web browsing is definitely a little more snappy even when im downloading flat out :p

Lurked around some of the pro settings which my insignificant mind cant even begin to comprehend and hey this thing offloads UDP checksums, which should make a small amount of difference in gaming. I havent been able to test yet as im just chillaxing and having a cuppa tea. I might load up a few games in a moment and see if the game play is any different.

Im also getting faster transfer rates between my pc & NAS so things are looking better already though not exactly progressing forward in leaps and bounds
 
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