Oracle Advocates Keeping Linux Open and Free, Calls Out IBM

[notoperable]

LOL. Oracle track-records shows how serious one can take it

 

[Imouto]

On the other hand, Arch has my printer, which works fine under Windows under the "paperweight" category.

Try another distro in a pen drive. Archlinux unless you are knowledgeable is a nightmare for certain things. Nowadays printers are pretty much OS / driver agnostic so I really don't know if it falls in the "corpo overlord shackle" basket.

 

[bug]

Try another distro in a pen drive. Archlinux unless you are knowledgeable is a nightmare for certain things. Nowadays printers are pretty much OS / driver agnostic so I really don't know if it falls in the "corpo overlord shackle" basket.

Neah, I've tried many distros, I'm sticking with Arch. It just seems my printer had some drivers for Fedora and Ubuntu, but, since they were not open, not much beyond that. And yes, it's an older model, but still works as it did day 1, so I'm not throwing it away. These days that printer is about the only reason I boot into Windows.

 

[wNotyarD]

Neah, I've tried many distros, I'm sticking with Arch. It just seems my printer had some drivers for Fedora and Ubuntu, but, since they were not open, not much beyond that. And yes, it's an older model, but still works as it did day 1, so I'm not throwing it away. These days that printer is about the only reason I boot into Windows.

Printers are the devil's work, so there's that.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

Printers are the devil's work, so there's that.

Printer manufacturers are the biggest bunch of a**holes in the IT world. They made rocket science out of writing drivers, and planned obsolescence is their top priority.

No, you don't use Linux or you wouldn't be saying half of the nonsense you are saying. It's like you just woke up from being frozen 20+ years. "Trouble with WiFi / BT / random stupidity" is almost non-existent. If you had installed Linux on a machine in the last 10+ years you'd know that. It's so easy I got complete computer illiterates to install it over the phone.

Tell that to Asus Vivobook X3400PA and Bluetooth which did not work under Ubuntu whatsoever just last month. Now it is working, but it did require a bit of juggling.

I do not know why you get so defensive almost immediately...

 

[Kyan]

No, you don't use Linux or you wouldn't be saying half of the nonsense you are saying. It's like you just woke up from being frozen 20+ years. "Trouble with WiFi / BT / random stupidity" is almost non-existent. If you had installed Linux on a machine in the last 10+ years you'd know that. It's so easy I got complete computer illiterates to install it over the phone.

I did admin studies with linux in 2018-2019 and when I tried to install debian on my laptop, I had problems with wi-fi and bluetooth which I think I overcame, so it was still existing less than 5 years ago.

 

[unwind-protect]

I did admin studies with linux in 2018-2019 and when I tried to install debian on my laptop, I had problems with wi-fi and bluetooth which I think I overcame, so it was still existing less than 5 years ago.

First order of business for any laptop is ripping out whichever random Wifi NVMe it came with and put an Intel one. Only costs $10-20.

This applies even if you run Windows. Bad hardware is bad hardware even if you have a driver for it.

 

[bug]

First order of business for any laptop is ripping out whichever random Wifi NVMe it came with and put an Intel one. Only costs $10-20.

This applies even if you run Windows. Bad hardware is bad hardware even if you have a driver for it.

That's not the problem. The problem is Debian on a laptop. Debian is aimed at servers, its kernel and general driver support are meant to lag behind.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

First order of business for any laptop is ripping out whichever random Wifi NVMe it came with and put an Intel one. Only costs $10-20.

This applies even if you run Windows. Bad hardware is bad hardware even if you have a driver for it.

Yes, I noticed that even some moderately good laptops come with junk NVMe WiFi/Bluetooth adapters that have tendency to bug out quite often, regardless of OS.

 

[Kyan]

First order of business for any laptop is ripping out whichever random Wifi NVMe it came with and put an Intel one. Only costs $10-20.

This applies even if you run Windows. Bad hardware is bad hardware even if you have a driver for it.

It's probably not so good but it works and I nerver have any problem with it. It's a laptop from 2016 : i5-4460 with GTX950M.
Side story :
The 950M didn't work for obscur reason after opening it (maybe a screwdriver slip at the wrong spot ?) for multiple year, and magically with an update on W8.1 (yeah W10 wasn't able to be install also for obscur reason), the 950M re-enable itself in the device manager (it was manually disable or else windows crash just before login) and nothing crashed.
So yeah, Wi-Fi was really not my problem with it.
PS : It's on W10 now on a ssd, it works a lot better than when i was actually using it Playing on intel hd wasn't the gaming experience i was hoping for during internship.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe for you. For me too, unlocked Android, freed from the Google services, is a very powerful tool... Not to mention that my battery life is FANTASTIC.

True. Google's services running in the background can eat up battery life in certain situations.

But 99,5% users do not want that - they want simple access to social networks, good photos and a few utility apps to work without a hitch.

Yeah, that's fair. We all have to remember that, as a general rule, we TPU surfers are PowerUsers compared to the general public...

Yes, it sounds simple. But install it on ten PCs / laptops, then count how many times you need to tinker with Bluetooth / Audio / WiFi...

I do it frequently, rarely have issues..

Then explain to the average Joe how to run his favorite games...

Let's faces reality, Linux is still not a "Gamers" platform. And I make that clear to anyone who looks at it.

They are not in the business of education

Moose muffins!!! They absolutely are. That myth is something sinister indeed. Those companies desperately need to pull their heads from their collective rectums, slow down the development trains(yes, plural!) and go back to methodically showing what is on offer, TEACH people how to use it all and stay with what WORKS for a decade or more. This ideal is also part of the message Oracle is trying to send, but they're being a bit subtle about it.

Excuse me but WTF. Linux is ten thousand times easier to use than Windows.

No it's not. You can not make a blanket statement like THAT and expect people to take you seriously. Some versions of Linux are VERY easy to use, true, but not all and not even most. Windows is very similar. Some versions of Windows are a fricken pain in the "mikta" to setup and configure. Sorry, but what you said is just silly!

 

[Aleksandar_038]

Let's faces reality, Linux is still not a "Gamers" platform. And I make that clear to anyone who looks at it.

Yes, it is not, but Proton has everything it needs to change that. However, if we need SteamOS for Gaming and some other Distro for work - it won't work at consumer level

Moose muffins!!! They absolutely are. That myth is something sinister indeed. Those companies desperately need to pull their heads from their collective rectums, slow down the development trains(yes, plural!) and go back to methodically showing what is on offer, TEACH people how to use it all and stay with what WORKS for a decade or more. This ideal is also part of the message Oracle is trying to send, but they're being a bit subtle about it.

I like muffins a lot As for business, they should care about education, but they are not (most of the time, with few bright exceptions). Slow down development trains? They are on constant lookout for how to speed them up Just look at the state of AAA gaming development... But I agree that it should be completely different.

 

[bug]

Moose muffins!!! They absolutely are. That myth is something sinister indeed. Those companies desperately need to pull their heads from their collective rectums, slow down the development trains(yes, plural!) and go back to methodically showing what is on offer, TEACH people how to use it all and stay with what WORKS for a decade or more. This ideal is also part of the message Oracle is trying to send, but they're being a bit subtle about it.

I don't see that happening anytime soon. The current trend is a perpetual search for "the next billion users". The more clueless they are, the more you can fleece them, so keeping them uninformed is actually a bonus.

 

[Wirko]

Yes, it is not, but Proton has everything it needs to change that. However, if we need SteamOS for Gaming and some other Distro for work - it won't work at consumer level

This sounds like a perfect case for dual booting - you screw up the gaming installation because you have to do/want to do some experimenting with driver versions, and the other installation remains intact.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

This sounds like a perfect case for dual booting - you screw up the gaming installation because you have to do/want to do some experimenting with driver versions, and the other installation remains intact.

I am talking about an average user who freaks out when somebody unpins icon from taskbar For them, dual booting is not an option.
For me - I have two PCs, one with Windows and Ubuntu, other with Mint and SteamOS - and I make more fuckups than anything else, but never mind, I am learning every day Only problem is that I have less and less time for such endeavors

 

[bug]

I am talking about an average user who freaks out when somebody unpins icon from taskbar For them, dual booting is not an option.
For me - I have two PCs, one with Windows and Ubuntu, other with Mint and SteamOS - and I make more fuckups than anything else, but never mind, I am learning every day Only problem is that I have less and less time for such endeavors

Tbh, once I learned to mount /home on its own partition, my Linux woes were over. Recently, I even made the mistake to reboot the computer while it was installing a kernel update. Booted off a USB stick, chrooted, ran mkinitcpio and was back in business.
I don't expect most people would be able to do this, what I'm saying is Linux is a pretty resilient beast at this point.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Proton has everything it needs to change that.

Credit where it's due, Proton has made some great strides forward. Still has a long way to go though.

Tbh, once I learned to mount /home on its own partition, my Linux woes were over. Recently, I even made the mistake to reboot the computer while it was installing a kernel update. Booted off a USB stick, chrooted, ran mkinitcpio and was back in business.

Impressive!

I don't expect most people would be able to do this

True!

what I'm saying is Linux is a pretty resilient beast at this point.

VERY true!

The current trend is a perpetual search for "the next billion users".

Which is very sad..