Palit 1gb Hd4850 Sonic Edition - Wow!

[leonard_222003]

Can you show proof of real gaming benchmark that you can stabily keep the card at 810 gpu ?
I ask this because with the year end and games popping up , a lot of my friends got these cards , gainward golden sample wich is basicaly the same as palit sonic , gigabyte's with zalman or pasivelly cooled ones.
I have 2 friends with golden sample and 3 with gigabytes , the ones with golden sample get some huge overclocks on the memory like 2300-2400 and moderate GPu overclock 750-750 , with gigabyte same thing with memory and a bit better on the zalman cooled version , about 770 highest they could go.
There is one intresting thing though , some they could get to 830 GPU in furmark with no crash in one hour of stability testing but when they tested a game they had to reduce the GPU speed to 760-770.
I don't think you can play crysis or some other heavy graphics game with those speeds , i can give you a screen shot or recorded clip of furmark at 800 GPU for as long time you want but i can only play at max 760 GPU maybe even lower.
I can believe a V-mod but never untouched 4850 to get stabily at those speeds , it just doesn't have enough power to sustain that speed , it can sustain furmark for some reason but a game immedialty crashes.
If you want to give some believable proof a screenshot can't do it , a recorded clip with you raising the gpu to 810 and riva tuner monitoring this stuff adn then you benching something like crysis warhead ambush map or playing the game for some time.
I could bench at 780 GPU in crysis but never in crysis warhead ambush map , it just crashes after the first or second loop.
Please don't pick on me because of spelling , not my native language.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Can you show proof of real gaming benchmark that you can stabily keep the card at 810 gpu ?
I ask this because with the year end and games popping up , a lot of my friends got these cards , gainward golden sample wich is basicaly the same as palit sonic , gigabyte's with zalman or pasivelly cooled ones.
I have 2 friends with golden sample and 3 with gigabytes , the ones with golden sample get some huge overclocks on the memory like 2300-2400 and moderate GPu overclock 750-750 , with gigabyte same thing with memory and a bit better on the zalman cooled version , about 770 highest they could go.
There is one intresting thing though , some they could get to 830 GPU in furmark with no crash in one hour of stability testing but when they tested a game they had to reduce the GPU speed to 760-770.
I don't think you can play crysis or some other heavy graphics game with those speeds , i can give you a screen shot or recorded clip of furmark at 800 GPU for as long time you want but i can only play at max 760 GPU maybe even lower.
I can believe a V-mod but never untouched 4850 to get stabily at those speeds , it just doesn't have enough power to sustain that speed , it can sustain furmark for some reason but a game immedialty crashes.
If you want to give some believable proof a screenshot can't do it , a recorded clip with you raising the gpu to 810 and riva tuner monitoring this stuff adn then you benching something like crysis warhead ambush map or playing the game for some time.
I could bench at 780 GPU in crysis but never in crysis warhead ambush map , it just crashes after the first or second loop.
Please don't pick on me because of spelling , not my native language.

I can, I am just about to install the 2nd card in crossfire and can do this for you before I do, but I dont have crysis or warhead, I have COD world at war I could run it on, I have been running that all week at 800mhz but how can I show the game with GPU-Z or rivatumer active and viewable on the screen also?

 

[DaMulta]

cod IS the best oc checker IMO. That game always locks if you bad clocks well cod4 does at least. I bet its off the same engine.

 

[Tatty_Two]

cod IS the best oc checker IMO. That game always locks if you bad clocks well cod4 does at least. I bet its off the same engine.

It is off the same engine but it is enhanced and therefore even more demanding, just not sure how to run it, show GPU-Z and take a screenie all at the same time, any idea's leonard since it was your suggestion?

 

[Odin Eidolon]

from XS:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showpost.php?p=3312795&postcount=31

the thread is

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showthread.php?t=197474&highlight=palit+4850+sonic

this card really rocks!

 

[Tatty_Two]

from XS:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showpost.php?p=3312795&postcount=31

the thread is

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showthread.php?t=197474&highlight=palit+4850+sonic

this card really rocks!

Your right it does lol but i am still hoping he can come back with a method so i can run a test.

 

[DaMulta]

Hey tatty I'm about to put the 8800gt on phase. What u think she will do on stock volts?

hehehe

 

[leonard_222003]

Record a clip from you getting the computer started , entering windows , entering rivatunner and raising clocks up 800 GPU and whatever memory , apply those clocks and then play a game heavy in the graphics.
Leave riva tuner running with mintoring on and after you exit the game , if you can exit it show us along the graph that you had those clocks , just scrool along the lines slowly , oh , don't underclock you CPU so it doesn't strees the card , this way the overclock could work if you have a crappy low CPU clock.
If you play something like cod it could be awhile before it freezes because the graphics are pretty bad , that's why i ask for something like crysis warhead.
I played at 800 GPU for a whole 10 minutes and no freeze in NFS undercover but immediatly crashed in crysis or crysis warhead , the more complex the graphics the better the test of stability.
I don't think you want to record a 20 minutes clip or something like that to proove me wrong , get crysis max out the grahpics and it should crash pretty fast if it's not stable.
I want to be wrong but i found this problem with all the friends cards , all stable in furmark and ati tool with huge clocks and all failed in games and a 10 mhz reduced overcloked didn't helped , something like 50 mhz reduced overclock helped them achieve stability.
This overclock freenzy got to the reviewer's also , they tested the card at the end of the review with furmark and made a conclusion that wow , what a great overclocker , but they never tested in any game and the ones that did found out the limit to be 750 and that is the usual limit of this cards.
Look here
http://metku.net/index.html?path=reviews/hd4850-roundup/index_eng2
http://metku.net/index.html?path=reviews/hd4850-roundup/index_eng3
http://metku.net/index.html?path=reviews/hd4850-roundup/index_eng4
http://metku.net/index.html?path=reviews/hd4850-roundup/index_eng5
these are some of the best 4850 out there , one is missing , the his iceq4.
Not one over 750 gpu and why ? because they tested those clocks in all the games and they found instability , i'm sure initally they got to some huge 800 gpu clocks but they began crashing in games.

 

[Odin Eidolon]

I played at 800 GPU for a whole 10 minutes and no freeze in NFS undercover but immediatly crashed in crysis or crysis warhead , the more complex the graphics the better the test of stability.
I don't think you want to record a 20 minutes clip or something like that to proove me wrong , get crysis max out the grahpics and it should crash pretty fast if it's not stable.

lol yeah, my 3850 in atitool was stable 850MHz with stock volts, but in crysis it can only do around 810-820 (stock volts)

 

[leonard_222003]

No matter what everyone says about palit's , gainward's , gigabyte's (not saying anything about HIS , never seen one at work ) believe me i've seen them and they don't hit 800 GPU , come on the 4870 barelly hits that speed and comes with more GPU power and the 4850 can hit 800 gpu no problem , don;t think so , go get one and start playing games , you will see yourself the card locks up at those speeds.
Xtremesystems forums are full of braggers , they cheat those benchmarks to death and pride themselves on photoshop edited numbers and cheated overclocks but the usual man that actually game on this cards knows a 4850 that hits 800 GPU could be 1 to a milion , the only way is the V-MOD way.
Later Edit
Still waiting for that clip , hope you didn't forget.

 

[eidairaman1]

so how many cards have you tested personally?

 

[eidairaman1]

cod IS the best oc checker IMO. That game always locks if you bad clocks well cod4 does at least. I bet its off the same engine.

what you said is fact, My OC on this machine is limited by Chipset Temp (40 C) as the CPU Remains in the 30s overclocked from 1867 to 2343, until i do some of the mods i want this machine will remain at 2.2GHz.

 

[DOM]

I had 3X PALIT 9600GSO 768MB Sonics and they all did 800Mhz on the core

and the 2X PALIT 9600GSO 384MB just over 700Mhz

and the one i got left I volt modded it, PALIT 9600GSO 384MB does 900 max and stable

so if you dont like what his doing dont post go cry to someone else cuz one site didnt get theres to 800 how do you know they couldnt ?

and this is how it is with all thing they all dont OC the same so stop hating

 

[DaMulta]

No matter what everyone says about palit's , gainward's , gigabyte's (not saying anything about HIS , never seen one at work ) believe me i've seen them and they don't hit 800 GPU , come on the 4870 barelly hits that speed and comes with more GPU power and the 4850 can hit 800 gpu no problem , don;t think so , go get one and start playing games , you will see yourself the card locks up at those speeds.
Xtremesystems forums are full of braggers , they cheat those benchmarks to death and pride themselves on photoshop edited numbers and cheated overclocks but the usual man that actually game on this cards knows a 4850 that hits 800 GPU could be 1 to a milion , the only way is the V-MOD way.
Later Edit
Still waiting for that clip , hope you didn't forget.

I installed a PALiT 4670
http://www.palit.biz/main/vgapro.php?id=975

Out of the box it maxed out ATi CCC over clock. Then I played COD4 demo for about 10 mins and left. They guy told me a few days later he has not seen any problems.

To let you know that was 850Mhz out of the box. CRAZY

PALiT owns the place where they make video cards. I bet you don't even understand how they get made in the first place. ATi and Nvidia have a set price on what they order say 100,000 cards. Even if that means they only 50 engineering sample cards. Do you think companies like BFG can go out and afford to do such things all the time? Why can palit afford to do it, well they own the place.

 

[Wile E]

My Palit 8800GT Sonic 1GB runs at 890/999/linked gaming stable, h2o and vmodded. 950/1100/linked for benches. Palit's Sonic cards are well designed beasts.

 

[DaMulta]

^^in the summer up stairs with no a/c on a 120 rad. Just a 1 120 rad LOL.

Cracks me up every time I think of it.

 

[Wile E]

^^in the summer up stairs with no a/c on a 120 rad. Just a 1 120 rad LOL.

Cracks me up every time I think of it.

Yeah, 32-36C ambients. lol.

And the only reason I couldn't get it stable at 950 was because it just took too much voltage, and OCP would kick in.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ya Air Cooling Does Really Depend on the Surrounding Environmental Temperature, but i guess that can apply to Water Cooling since the Radiators use Fans. To me probably ideal cooling system would be a Hybrid of Water and Air aslong as the Environmental Air is Cool but i guess then it would probably be a AC and Water Cooling system lol.

 

[leonard_222003]

Ok kiddies , stop posting results from a 4670 or 9600 or whatever palit does that doesn't have antyhing to do with this thread , we are talking about THE 4850 GPU IN GENERAL AND HOW FAR IT GOES WITHOUT MODS ON NON-REFERANCE PCB.
I don't have anything with palit , i sayd it that gigabyte's gainward's also don't clock so high so why are the fans of palit gunning for me ?
Still waiting for that clip tatty , we have enough braggers in all forums that post some huge overclocks but not one had any real proof that he can game at those speeds.
At least say something like i'm planning to do it later this day or tommorow or whenever i get crysis.
Oh , and please show us a GPUZ too in the clip so we know you are not having a modded card in your computer , it must have 1 gb memor like you sayd , man this is going to be hard to fake.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Ok kiddies , stop posting results from a 4670 or 9600 or whatever palit does that doesn't have antyhing to do with this thread , we are talking about THE 4850 GPU IN GENERAL AND HOW FAR IT GOES WITHOUT MODS ON NON-REFERANCE PCB.
I don't have anything with palit , i sayd it that gigabyte's gainward's also don't clock so high so why are the fans of palit gunning for me ?
Still waiting for that clip tatty , we have enough braggers in all forums that post some huge overclocks but not one had any real proof that he can game at those speeds.
At least say something like i'm planning to do it later this day or tommorow or whenever i get crysis.

I can only assume that you think I live on here 24/7, did I not mention last night (my time) I would be more than happy to do it, I was waiting for you to come back with a foolproof method, I dont think you have though, does the rivatuner log file show times and dates?....how do you therefore know that whilst I am running a game at 800 that I am actually running it at 800 because there is not a time set between the game and the monitoring to give evidence if you get my meaning? i have the 2 cards in now but am more than happy to disable one if there is a way to ACCURATLY provide evidence......any idea's?

Edit: As to your comment above, the 4870 does not come with more GPU power, it's GPU is identcal to the 4850, it just gets more voltage to give it higher clocks.

Double edit: When you say "record a clip" do you mean using a Digital camcorder?

 

[leonard_222003]

Yeah i meant power like voltage , like i sayd english not my native language .
Ok now for the fooproof metod follow what i sayd in the previous posts and about rivatuner , it doesn't matter if riva logs , if you record a clip with a digital camera with a good resolution for us to see what you are doing on the screen will remain on the screen you will leave riva tuner running.
Again foollow this steps
1. start recording with your camera
2. record the case computer for us to see you have only 1 palit video card in your computer and doesn't have any mods on the back of the card
3. start the computer
4. keep recording , don't stop at any moment and comeback with a windows image this must be from start to finish
5. after you enter windows show us a gpuz screen then close the gpuz screen
6. then start riva tuner and raise the clocks to 800 and whatever you want for memory , don't forget to click apply
7. in riva tuner start the monitoring software that must show the gpu clock , memory clock , fan speed and temperature , again don't stop the recording , this must be from start to finish
8. leave riva tuner running in the background with the monitoring software on , that big screen with graphs should be running in the background, ok ?
9. now start crysis or crysis warhead and play for 10 minutes , maybe to much, 6-7 minutes
can do it too
10 . again recording all this time , never turn off the recording , any glitches we see can be interpreted as edited video and cheated
11. after those 6-7 minutes exit crysis and show us what the riva tuner monitoring software graphs are and slowly scroll along the green lines for us to see what clocks you had while playing and what fan speed temperatures ...etc. most important the clocks , scroll the whole graph.
12 crysis must have at least all high for graphics or gamer for warhead and to stress it more give it a 4xAA too
13. in the game don't stare at the sky , move around in a complex graphic enviroment so the video card has something to procces , don't stand for 6-7 minutes looking at a tree , simulate actual gameplay
14. you can also get warhead and framebuffer benchmark and set it too bench ambush for 3-4 times loop.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Yeah i meant power like voltage , like i sayd english not my native language .
Ok now for the fooproof metod follow what i sayd in the previous posts and about rivatuner , it doesn't matter if riva logs , if you record a clip with a digital camera with a good resolution for us to see what you are doing on the screen will remain on the screen you will leave riva tuner running.
Again foollow this steps
1. start recording with your camera
2. record the case computer for us to see you have only 1 palit video card in your computer and doesn't have any mods on the back of the card
3. start the computer
4. keep recording , don't stop at any moment and comeback with a windows image this must be from start to finish
5. after you enter windows show us a gpuz screen then close the gpuz screen
6. then start riva tuner and raise the clocks to 800 and whatever you want for memory , don't forget to click apply
7. in riva tuner start the monitoring software that must show the gpu clock , memory clock , fan speed and temperature , again don't stop the recording , this must be from start to finish
8. leave riva tuner running in the background with the monitoring software on , that big screen with graphs should be running in the background, ok ?
9. now start crysis or crysis warhead and play for 10 minutes , maybe to much, 6-7 minutes
can do it too
10 . again recording all this time , never turn off the recording , any glitches we see can be interpreted as edited video and cheated
11. after those 6-7 minutes exit crysis and show us what the riva tuner monitoring software graphs are and slowly scroll along the green lines for us to see what clocks you had while playing and what fan speed temperatures ...etc. most important the clocks , scroll the whole graph.
12 crysis must have at least all high for graphics or gamer for warhead and to stress it more give it a 4xAA too
13. in the game don't stare at the sky , move around in a complex graphic enviroment so the video card has something to procces , don't stand for 6-7 minutes looking at a tree , simulate actual gameplay
14. you can also get warhead and framebuffer benchmark and set it too bench ambush for 3-4 times loop.

great plan but I dont have a digital camcorder, if I did, how would I upload the file here with the sites limits? I do have a digital camera with a video function but I am time limited on that plus the resolution for movie recording is poor.

For your information, I have downloaded every damn app I can find, FRAPS does not show GPU speeds even though I have just played COD at 800mhz for the last half an hour trying to do something.

Lol even if i did, looking at your instructions I think I would opt out, you practically want me to dismantle my whole rig and take like a 25 minute movie that would probably be around 50MB in space which I couldnt get to you anyway...........so I will carry on playing COD at 800mhz and you can think what you like......I think it's easier that way!

Easier way.............run 2006 or Vantage extreme with your 4850, tell me your CPU and graphics settings, i will set my CPU to same speed and beat your score through GPU speed.....simple.

Edit: I already told you I dont have Crysis.

 

[Wile E]

Yeah i meant power like voltage , like i sayd english not my native language .
Ok now for the fooproof metod follow what i sayd in the previous posts and about rivatuner , it doesn't matter if riva logs , if you record a clip with a digital camera with a good resolution for us to see what you are doing on the screen will remain on the screen you will leave riva tuner running.
Again foollow this steps
1. start recording with your camera
2. record the case computer for us to see you have only 1 palit video card in your computer and doesn't have any mods on the back of the card
3. start the computer
4. keep recording , don't stop at any moment and comeback with a windows image this must be from start to finish
5. after you enter windows show us a gpuz screen then close the gpuz screen
6. then start riva tuner and raise the clocks to 800 and whatever you want for memory , don't forget to click apply
7. in riva tuner start the monitoring software that must show the gpu clock , memory clock , fan speed and temperature , again don't stop the recording , this must be from start to finish
8. leave riva tuner running in the background with the monitoring software on , that big screen with graphs should be running in the background, ok ?
9. now start crysis or crysis warhead and play for 10 minutes , maybe to much, 6-7 minutes
can do it too
10 . again recording all this time , never turn off the recording , any glitches we see can be interpreted as edited video and cheated
11. after those 6-7 minutes exit crysis and show us what the riva tuner monitoring software graphs are and slowly scroll along the green lines for us to see what clocks you had while playing and what fan speed temperatures ...etc. most important the clocks , scroll the whole graph.
12 crysis must have at least all high for graphics or gamer for warhead and to stress it more give it a 4xAA too
13. in the game don't stare at the sky , move around in a complex graphic enviroment so the video card has something to procces , don't stand for 6-7 minutes looking at a tree , simulate actual gameplay
14. you can also get warhead and framebuffer benchmark and set it too bench ambush for 3-4 times loop.

That is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard. Would you waste the time to do all of that? And furthermore, where would he upload it for you to see? Places like Youtube reduce the quality so badly, you wouldn't really be able to tell what is going on.

Besides all that, even if he did do all of this, it seems to me that you are the type that would try to find something wrong with it, and still claim it's fake. I believe Tatty because he is a long standing, well respected member of this community.

If I were Tatty, I wouldn't do it, because you sir, are a troll.

 

[Odin Eidolon]

dont listen to the troll :shadedshu tatty, we believe you , we know you are a good guy

 

[leonard_222003]

So the rumor of people having 800 GPU clocks on unmodded cards still goes on and people still get one of these cards and say they got a poor clocker , i knew you wouldn't do it.
Believe me people , they all lie , they never had 800 mhz on a 4850 stabily , just furmark but never a game.
I want to believe you and all the other that claim this speed but no one had any real proof , a screnshot doesn't represent a proof in this days.
Youtube have some HD feature now Wile E and what do i have to say about a clip that shows me all that ?
Tatty man i knew from the start there is little chance of you doing a clip because you can't do it , only furmark works for you at that speed and i knew this kind of behaviour of the 4850 cards on quality pcb's , gigabyte's too work at 800 gpu in furmark , gainwards too work at 800 gpu in furmark but THET NEVER WORK AT 800 MHZ IN GAMES NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
Screenshot doesn't cut it anymore , show clip or this remains to be trusted by whoever wants.
Like i sayd overclockers bragg a lot and here is a scenario , one comes with 700 then another with 750 then another that is full of envy lies and comes with 760 and another full of envy comes with 780 and so on , when someone ask for a detalied way of showing proof of that overclock there is a silence , he starts posting rarerly and in the end he can't do it.