PC hangs while gaming, with loud noise to boot.

[TooMuchStarbucks]

Hello guys. For the sake of brevity, my PC has begun to infinitely hang while I'm on a game that puts a decent load on the system, say WoW with sumpersampling. I have to hold the power button for it to stop, and when I try turning it back on my PC goes into a sort of infinite loop of turning on for a second, then turning off, and so on. In order to stop this I have to actually turn off my PSU, and then for whatever reason, disconnect a device such as a video cable or USB device. After doing that it'll boot up until of course the next crash.

Something to note was that my computer was actually blue screening about a month ago, which of course, it isn't now. It would do so under similar circumstances. I unfortunately forgot the actual error codes they displayed, if they would even since sometimes they didn't and my system would just shut down. I remember using the Windows driver verifier manager, but all that did is make my PC CONSTANTLY BSOD, even when I removed the driver it was referencing. Like if the log listed a driver from my antivirus as the problem, and I removed that, it would just BSOD again and the log would reference some other driver.

After that I just decided to nuke the thing and reinstall Windows 10 altogether. Here we are now. I'd really appreciate any help that could be given guys.

 

[little cat]

What are the temps of the CPU/GPU . Disable any overclocking . Which PSU is used , PC specs ? Try another AV program - e.g. Zone Alarm Free , Panda AV free , Avast free . Open the case and check whether the fans are spinning

 

[micropage7]

noise? have you checked your hdd?

 

[TooMuchStarbucks]

What are the temps of the CPU/GPU . Disable any overclocking . Which PSU is used , PC specs ? Try another AV program - e.g. Zone Alarm Free , Panda AV free , Avast free . Open the case and check whether the fans are spinning

Sorry, I remember putting them in the "system specs" page but I guess I didn't save it. It should show up now.

Is there a way to log the temps while I play? Just kinda hard to watch in real time with a full screen app also up. From what I've seen though the temps are fine.

Right now I actually don't use an antivirus. The fact that the driver manager thing flagged literally every driver associated with an antivirus sorta set me off from using them for whatever reason. I could look into it again.

Fans are definitely spinning, hah.

noise? have you checked your hdd?

The noise is coming from my speakers, not the PC itself.

 

[little cat]

i use Real Temp with log file to save sensor values of the temp . HWMonitor keeps max/min temp , also MSI Afterburner

Also , might look in Event Viewer for errors

 

[TheHunter]

That is usually bad cpu oc.. or low voltage issue (system cache -vring, cpu system agent - vccsa, cpuv) or system ram latency issue - too tight.

 

[TooMuchStarbucks]

i use Real Temp with log file to save sensor values of the temp . HWMonitor keeps max/min temp , also MSI Afterburner

Also , might look in Event Viewer for errors

I'll go ahead and do that when I get back then.

That is usually bad cpu oc.. or low voltage issue (system cache -vring, cpu system agent - vccsa, cpuv) or system ram latency issue - too tight.

Could it follow then that a weak PSU could also be causing this? Before making this thread I looked around for people having similar problems and I found a few pointing to a bad power supply. Also saw fingers pointing towards faulty motherboards also.

How would I be able to check, or alleviate this "system ram latency" issue? I'm not really familiar with ram timings and the such. They're at their defaults.

 

[little cat]

I'll go ahead and do that when I get back then.



Could it follow then that a weak PSU could also be causing this? Before making this thread I looked around for people having similar problems and I found a few pointing to a bad power supply. Also saw fingers pointing towards faulty motherboards also.

How would I be able to check, or alleviate this "system ram latency" issue? I'm not really familiar with ram timings and the such. They're at their defaults.

Restore BIOS defaults

 

[TooMuchStarbucks]

Restore BIOS defaults

They were already on defaults really. Only thing I actually changed was the fan curves of my case and CPU fans.

I just loaded the optimized defaults again, with default fan curves. I'll later do another test with some logs running in the background of temps.

 

[jaggerwild]

Sounds more like a software conflict, WOW isn't all that demanding is it(Never played it so I don't know)?

 

[Ripcord]

I would defiantly attribute this to a failing psu. corsair's fail like this(is your psu a corsair?), its the circuit protection kicking in, then the pc wont restart unless you turn it off at the switch.

 

[TheHunter]

If its at optimized defaults then ram shouldnt matter unless it doesnt set its voltage properly e.g. 1.65v.

Also MSI might be to conservative by auto cache voltage, but we can ignore that for now.
First I would double check C-states, if you're using Intel Rapid storage driver then enable TinyLake -dynamic storage accelerator in bios so intel RST controlls cpu C-states according to windows power plan.
Balanced limits to c3
High perf. Limits to c0
But you also have to enable this dynamic storage accelerator in intel RST control panel.

If you're not using this DSA then try to disable it in bios just to see, but this will heat cpu more in idle and if using high perf. Power plan all the time.

Also if you're at win7 it could also be intel usb xhci driver issue, always keep that up to date.


My last bet would be PSU too, but so would be mine as well which it isnt and I got such glitch too few times.. By me it was either cache/cpu voltage too low (both oc'ed) or ram OC fault, i've Oc'ed it from 2133 to 2400mhz (setting a little vccsa - system agent voltagw fixed that, or 2T instead of 1T)

Also a little higher ram current capability helps too..

 

[TooMuchStarbucks]

Sounds more like a software conflict, WOW isn't all that demanding is it(Never played it so I don't know)?

WoW with Supersampling enabled does actually push my GTX 980 to max utilization hah.

I would defiantly attribute this to a failing psu. corsair's fail like this(is your psu a corsair?), its the circuit protection kicking in, then the pc wont restart unless you turn it off at the switch.

Yeah, my PSU is a Corsair CX750M

If its at optimized defaults then ram shouldnt matter unless it doesnt set its voltage properly e.g. 1.65v.

Also MSI might be to conservative by auto cache voltage, but we can ignore that for now.
First I would double check C-states, if you're using Intel Rapid storage driver then enable TinyLake -dynamic storage accelerator in bios so intel RST controlls cpu C-states according to windows power plan.
Balanced limits to c3
High perf. Limits to c0
But you also have to enable this dynamic storage accelerator in intel RST control panel.

If you're not using this DSA then try to disable it in bios just to see, but this will heat cpu more in idle and if using high perf. Power plan all the time.

Also if you're at win7 it could also be intel usb xhci driver issue, always keep that up to date.


My last bet would be PSU too, but so would be mine as well which it isnt and I got such glitch too few times.. By me it was either cache/cpu voltage too low (both oc'ed) or ram OC fault, i've Oc'ed it from 2133 to 2400mhz (setting a little vccsa - system agent voltagw fixed that, or 2T instead of 1T)

Also a little higher ram current capability helps too..

I do have the RST driver installed. With that said I found literally one entry in the Bios actually referencing Tinylake, so I enabled that. However I can't find anything about it in the actual RST application.

When I have the time I'll play some intensive game while logging.

 

[AsRock]

I'll go ahead and do that when I get back then.



Could it follow then that a weak PSU could also be causing this? Before making this thread I looked around for people having similar problems and I found a few pointing to a bad power supply. Also saw fingers pointing towards faulty motherboards also.

How would I be able to check, or alleviate this "system ram latency" issue? I'm not really familiar with ram timings and the such. They're at their defaults.

i was thinking PSU but better to try what others a suggesting all the same as there is a good chance it's not the psu too.

maybe you do not have to unplug the video card but to wait longer maybe a safety is kicking in on the PSU and might require you wait a little longer.


Are other games doing it too ?, like more demanding ones or even programs like 3DMark ?.

 

[TooMuchStarbucks]

i was thinking PSU but better to try what others a suggesting all the same as there is a good chance it's not the psu too.

maybe you do not have to unplug the video card but to wait longer maybe a safety is kicking in on the PSU and might require you wait a little longer.


Are other games doing it too ?, like more demanding ones or even programs like 3DMark ?.

Yeah so far WoW, The Witcher 3, Dark Souls 2 SotFS, and the Unigine Valley benchmark have caused these hangups and crashes with enough time. So it's safe to assume games that push a system cause this for me.

 

[truth teller]

The noise is coming from my speakers, not the PC itself.

if it sounds like static then dont worry about that, the sound card is basically operating in high impedance mode before the drivers are loaded, this is normal after a bsod/crash/reset (windows shuts down everything it can before/while crashing)

since this happened before, i would definitely check temperatures and the power supply.

on a related note, i was, more than once, presented with a system that would trip the over-temperature protection and shutdown while gaming and the temperatures seemed ok, thing is the vrms where scorching hot while the cpu wasnt since an improve cpu air cooler was installed. long story short we replaced the cooler with one that vented the vrms (i think we used the stock one in all scenarios) and everything worked fine ever since, even the small hiccups before the crashes disappeared ever since on the systems that presented it.

 

[Ascalaphus]

On my i7-4790k and gtx 780 system I had a corsair CX850 PSU that did this. Didn't realize that it was my PSU till I literally tore apart the system and tested everything.

I too would put my money on the PSU.
The lower end Corsair PSU units are crap from my own personal experience. Higher end models are nearly flawless.

 

[stinger608]

Toss out that POS Corsair CX750M power supply and grab a good Seasonic, EVGA, or top tier Corsair!!! I'm betting that is the culprit.

 

[Exeodus]

Did you install the Nvidia HDMI audio driver? If so try uninstalling it and see if that helps.

 

[hertz9753]

Win 10? Are you running the new NVidia driver? These are the problems that I see. I would switch to an older driver.

 

[OneMoar]

change the power supply CX series are junk

 

[hertz9753]

It is a CX and could be something as simple as a fan going out on the CPU or GPU. I will admit that Corsair CX PSU's are not very good though.

 

[TooMuchStarbucks]

Alrighty guys. Quick rundown.

Definitely getting a new power supply. It seems that even if it isn't the reason, it's liable to just utterly falling apart. I'm looking into the this.

Also while I was at work I had Memtest running for one of my 8GB sticks, and while asleep I had it running for the other. Both lasted for a little more than 8 hours, and showed no errors.

Did you install the Nvidia HDMI audio driver? If so try uninstalling it and see if that helps.

Nah, I just have the base and PhysX drivers installed, with Geforce Experience as well.

Win 10? Are you running the new NVidia driver? These are the problems that I see. I would switch to an older driver.

I could give this a try. What driver would you recommend I roll back to?

 

[hertz9753]

I never went past 359.xx and Win 7.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Try a different powersupply a client of mine had two of them replaced after both units put his pc which is a lot less powerful then yours into a non stop boot loop