PC problem?

[thebluebumblebee]

In that video he start with gpu 1 placed in Intel system and gpu 2 in the AMD system. He checks the gpu 1 bios version, move gpu 1 into AMD system and check again the gpu 1 bios version again but he never checks the gpu 2 bios version after placing it in the Intel system. If you look at the Intel system after he put the gpu 2 in it Windows is installing the drivers (at least this is how it looks to me) if gpu 1 and gpu 2 were identical then no driver install would had happen, but I have the feeling that gpu 1 and gpu don't have the same dev id, and if gpu1 and gpu2 don't have the same dev id then even if the bios version is reported as identical the actual bios content on the 2 gpu is not identical.

I'm quite sure that he checked and double checked the BIOS versions BEFORE the camera started to roll.
So many of the comments point to the PSU, of all things.

 

[Deleted member 163934]

I'm quite sure that he checked and double checked the BIOS versions BEFORE the camera started to roll.
So many of the comments point to the PSU, of all things.

A simple check of the bios version reported say nothing.

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/119860/asus-hd7750-1024-120222

VBIOS Version: 015.014.000.004.000000

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/122368/asus-hd7750-1024-120312

VBIOS Version: 015.014.000.004.000000

Looks like identical vbios version right?

Let's look at something else:

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/119860/asus-hd7750-1024-120222

BIOS Build date: 2012-02-22 20:37:00

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/122368/asus-hd7750-1024-120312

BIOS Build date: 2012-03-12 23:20:00

(this 683F.15.14.0.4.AS01 and this AsusC445PI00 makes me believe that the 2 bioses I linked are for the same gpu model and I totaly ignore what the uploader wrote "HD7750-1GD5-V2")

If you compared the 2 bioses, the checksum is not the same (as it was expected), the build date string is not the same (as it was expected), there are 3 more blocks that are not identical and i have no clue what those differences do, then the end of the bios is FF in one case and 00 in the other case (this difference does nothing in reality, this bios area has no purpose anyway). The 3 blocks that are not the same and I have no clue what they do can easily be enough to make the difference.

I actually have 2 bioses with same vbios version, not the same build date, both from the manufacturer (i didn't made any changes), the original without uefi and the second one from the manufacturer with uefi support. The differences in this case are huge but the vbios version is the same.

If it does the same with another psu then I'd start to think that there can be a bug in the mb bios or AMD cpu (maybe something related to pci-e)...

 

[dant]

OK. Did not have a chance to look at the video yet.
So I removed everything from the case...and it's the same thing. With the 980 everything works great. With 1080 Ti FE. No luck.
I have to find someone to try the 1080 Ti on a different AM4 system. Can't understand why this is happening.

Seems like it's the video card...I just connected the card to another PC and it went nuts. Smoke and now that PC does not work anymore MB is cooked. Black. Burned. Damn!

LE: however it's not black around PCIEx is somewhere down near the edge of the mb I will try to post a picture

 

[EarthDog]

Woooooow....

 

[Jetster]

That's like me. I work a problem till something frys

 

[eidairaman1]

Well the boards damaged, replace it

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Seems like it's the video card...I just connected the card to another PC and it went nuts.

Was it an AMD or Intel based PC?

Just the fact that Ryzen seems more finicky and less plug n play makes me skeptical about Ryzen and glad I didn't invest in it.

 

[Thefumigator]

Was it an AMD or Intel based PC?

Just the fact that Ryzen seems more finicky and less plug n play makes me skeptical about Ryzen and glad I didn't invest in it.

no its not "finicky" and its not "less plug n play", I just had to update bios version to get the most of ram speed tho.
What happened to the GPU and smoke and whatever is platform independant. Sh*t just happens. You can't blame it on intel or AMD.

 

[EarthDog]

It is finicky in the memory department. The only person who doesnt admkt that is amd.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

It is finicky in the memory department. The only person who doesnt admkt that is amd.

^This, and that's a big reason why it's finicky overall, because the Infinity Fabric is tied to RAM speed. Aside from that it's also finicky because AMD sat on their paranoid NDA attitude instead of communicating properly with MB and RAM manufacturers pre launch. This is why 6 months after launch we're still seeing weird problems with this platform.

I applaud AMD for trying a lot harder on the product itself than they did with Bulldozer, but they never seem to learn their lessons on marketing, and that's a huge part of how well their products are received by end users.

Bottom line, it could be a grand experience buying a Ryzen, it could not, but it's something I refuse to gamble my money on. I've never had issues with Intel CPUs. I would even trust my Nehalem i7-950 to put my 1080 Ti on when I get it for a few months until I can afford a 8700k.

 

[Thefumigator]

^This, and that's a big reason why it's finicky overall, because the Infinity Fabric is tied to RAM speed. Aside from that it's also finicky because AMD sat on their paranoid NDA attitude instead of communicating properly with MB and RAM manufacturers pre launch. This is why 6 months after launch we're still seeing weird problems with this platform.

I applaud AMD for trying a lot harder on the product itself than they did with Bulldozer, but they never seem to learn their lessons on marketing, and that's a huge part of how well their products are received by end users.

Bottom line, it could be a grand experience buying a Ryzen, it could not, but it's something I refuse to gamble my money on. I've never had issues with Intel CPUs. I would even trust my Nehalem i7-950 to put my 1080 Ti on when I get it for a few months until I can afford a 8700k.

I strongly disagree.

 

[EarthDog]

Ryzen is really the first platform where sticking to the QVL list is really important. It was a debacle at first and has settled considerably now. Past AMD, and INtel, that hasn't been an issue for years.

But finicky, IMO, is a perfect definition of it. Stick to the QVL list and update your BIOS is nearly a must.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I strongly disagree.

Which has no bearing whatsoever on my product choice, and as well I have a right to my opinion on that regard. You can fume all you want, but my mind is made up on the matter, as is those of many others whom consider it a gamble.

The bottom line is AMD is at a point where they really can't afford marketing blunders anymore, yet they keep making them. I'd really hoped Ryzen would be a viable alternative for me, and my first gaming PC did have an AMD CPU, but anymore I'm not sure I can trust them.

 

[Thefumigator]

Which has no bearing whatsoever on my product choice, and as well I have a right to my opinion on that regard. You can fume all you want, but my mind is made up on the matter, as is those of many others whom consider it a gamble.

The bottom line is AMD is at a point where they really can't afford marketing blunders anymore, yet they keep making them. I'd really hoped Ryzen would be a viable alternative for me, and my first gaming PC did have an AMD CPU, but anymore I'm not sure I can trust them.

Of course you have the right to your own opinion. As I do. But lets face it, if it wasn't for ryzen intel wouldn't be that worried, releasing great processors like the i7 8000 at a much affordable cost than before. We have to be agree on this...

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I think it's strange hearing about memory problems with Ryzen....
I had zero issues with the cheapest memory on the market on my Ryzen system it really seems to like Micron.
It's supposed to be 2133mhz but it runs at just about any timings and any speed I set it to.
However I don't see any benefit beyond 2667mhz so that's where is set.

 

[EarthDog]

Ryzen actually seems to prefer samsung ICs according to what i read from those more experienced than I in amd.

What motherboard do you have? Msi B350 Gaming Pro Carbon? Gaming plus???? System spec is vague. Your sticks on their qvl list? Im not saying things off the list dont work, however it seems like there is a much greater chance it doesnt with ryzen than other platforms. Not to mention, 2666 was never really an issue on the platform.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Ryzen actually seems to prefer samsung ICs according to what i read from those in the know.

What motherboard do you have? Msi B350 Gaming Pro Carbon? Gaming plus???? System spec is vague.

Gaming pro...
The memory I got
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E1...06.585765281.1510820969-1227032572.1510239897
It was $30 when I bought it..
I plan on updating in early spring when memory prices come back down and I was planning on Samsung memory or something from Crucial and putting this in my Intel machine

 

[EarthDog]

May want to correct/update you system specs.

One stick?
Is that memory on their QVL?

 

[Deleted member 67555]

May want to correct/update you system specs.

One stick?
Is that memory on their QVL?

Updated my post.. Gaming pro.
I'll check to see if it's on the list.. Could be.
Wasn't when I bought it...2 sticks

 

[EarthDog]

Its on the list. Buy from the list, have an updated BIOS, chances are it works.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Its on the list. Buy from the list, have an updated BIOS, chances are it works.

Just being honest...
I looked at the list as an after thought.
It's not something I have even considered doing since 2012....
That's why it's strange to me so many are having problems... This just isn't something I even considered having to do.

 

[EarthDog]

I hear you.. just trying to put some perspective on why you are not seeing problems vs others. Slow memory spec and its on the QVL list. While memory compatibility has improved with Ryzen by in large, there are still lingering issues with it and buyers do not have the 'blind' freedom to get whatever sticks they want for the best chance of compatibility. Again, its nowhere close to where it was in the beginning and the majority of users will be fine, especially when sticking to the list and using the latest BIOS.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Of course you have the right to your own opinion. As I do. But lets face it, if it wasn't for ryzen intel wouldn't be that worried, releasing great processors like the i7 8000 at a much affordable cost than before. We have to be agree on this...

Without a doubt we agree on that point. I fully understand that healthy competition is needed in the tech industry, which is one of the main reason I had high hopes for Ryzen. However I still have to put my criteria into play, and usually that means no potential risk on my end. I don't see any risk with Intel, I do with AMD. Now granted this is entirely new architecture with Ryzen, so some hiccups are expected, but the kind of hiccups they've had could have been easily avoided had they just communicated better with MB and RAM manufacturers. That is also a part of my mistrust. If AMD can't even communicate well with their manufacturing partners, what reason do I have to believe they listen to their customers?

It reminds me of an issue I had with drivers way back with Catalyst 5.7 in 2005. All the Medal of Honor games suddenly stopped working. I called ATI to let them know about a workaround I found on the ATIRage forum (this was a year before AMD bought them). The guy I spoke to was not only unaware of the problem, he was very smug insisting people having such problems don't know how to install the drivers. A whole 3 months later the problem still persisted, and ATI finally acknowledged it on their driver page, but said they were looking for a way to fix it. This kind of stuff carried over to the AMD takeover, and still persists today. AMD just aren't nearly as professional as they need to be to compete with Intel and Nvidia, and my conversation with them back in 2005 and their continued marketing blunders made me realize it's mostly due to their being in denial.