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PCI-Express 4.0 NVMe SSD Performance on Ryzen 3000 & X570

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Basically the only people who might benefit from these new fast drives are 4K video editors.

X570 is completely useless
... but it will sell. People want the best of the best, even if the "older" solution is just as good.

I for one can't wait for 3900X-es to get in stocks here in Europe (nobody has them already, all stores are pre-order or "10+ days delivery" and use it on my "old" X370 board (which I already updated to latest bios and it supports 3000 series just fine !).

I will upgrade it to X570 or X670 when it will actually make sense...

Absolutely not.
X570 is not useless, but PCi-e 4.0 to add in parts is rather pointless, the pci-e 4.0 to the chipset is really needed, also x470 outputs pci-e 2.0! 2.0!
also anything you plug in through the chipset is limited to x4 pci-e 3.0 total bandwidth shared, which is too little.
so if they had pci-e 3.0 out and 4.0 to cpu it'd be just as good imho, you can have 3 x nvme (2x pci-e 3.0 and 1x pci-e 4.0) without any i/o bottlenecks on a mainstream platform!

Please keep in mind the lowest end 1000 $ Intel HEDT cpu's was a requirement from the other side for that.
 

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How does this compare to 970 Pro ? The price is pretty much the same.

It's clear to me from this article that it's not worth it upgrading to x570, but is it worth getting a gen4 ssd vs 970 pro?
 

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I wonder if this ryzen system will last longer then my ivy bridge setup did, nearly 6 years of use.

Probably not but this is because intel hasn’t had any real competition until now and they could afford to release products delivering 3% improvements over the previous line.

I have an i7 2700K which still goes very well from 2011 and now I have finally some reason to upgrade it.

So I wouldn’t blame AMD for doing what they’re supposed to do!
 
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It's not to say that the technology shouldn't advance or that there is no use for these improvements, but I think for everyday users, it's not much of a selling point. The biggest gain in feel still came when we went from spinning drives to SSDs. Near instantaneous seek time is what makes the system feel fast. Maybe if you're a heavy video editor this is for you, but even then, all the ways you transfer to these drives will be through a much slower bus speed. Even game load times seem to be limited by other processes at this point. I guess hard drive access is no longer the bottleneck?
 
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I'm curious as to whether the poor 4k performance is an architectural issue or just firmware. Since the drive can stream large data at good rates, seems like they should be able to tune up small block performance with some code and make this thing show better results on more generic workflows.
 

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Servers will love that, when it comes. Probably.
Honest question, what does your server do that requires that much sequential performance (assuming you don't have a 100G NIC)
 
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Why 4KiB stuff haven't improved?
 
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So, any vendor who made a motherboard in spec to PCI-E 4.0 can add the feature with a BIOS update. AM4 socket is truly the best in upgradeability ever, especially if the rumors on Zen3 being DDR4 for 2020 are true.
 
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So, any vendor who made a motherboard in spec to PCI-E 4.0 can add the feature with a BIOS update. AM4 socket is truly the best in upgradeability ever, especially if the rumors on Zen3 being DDR4 for 2020 are true.

I'd expect.. yes and no?
There is someone.. someone over at AMD who's been there or left a mindset.
AM2,AM2+,AM3 stuff is amazing and I expect them to do the same.
Phenom II came with DDR3 and 2 controller so you could use a chipset from 2003 on a 2010 cpu.. so my agp gpu can have a 6 core phenom because of reasons.

Also Intel's cpu's usually have a ddr3 controller for skylake, cfl and such for ddr3LP which laptops like so they support both as well.

So I'd expect it to support both.
 

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Why 4KiB stuff haven't improved?
It's a limitation of either the flash memory itself or the controller. Something about the way memory is accessed. Besides being way more durable, XPoint also eats Flash for breakfast in 4k random reads. But...
 
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So, any vendor who made a motherboard in spec to PCI-E 4.0 can add the feature with a BIOS update. AM4 socket is truly the best in upgradeability ever, especially if the rumors on Zen3 being DDR4 for 2020 are true.

Great!
Then what’s the point of the new 15W chipset? It must have some features we don’t know!!
 
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Great!
Then what’s the point of the new 15W chipset? It must have some features we don’t know!!

PLEASE SEE BLOCK DIAGRAMS, Read.. it's everywhere!
It shows, PCI-E4.0 to chipset, that is DOUBLE bandwidth vs X470 which has PCI-E 3.0 between chipset and cpu.
Then please see what comes out of X470.. ohh.. PCI-E 2.0.
Quadrouple bandwidth from X570 for PCI-E out of the chipset.

It may not be for you but it's still new features and vastly superior I/O capability.
 
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The data shown in this article shows that Sata3 and PCIe3 are just not bottlenecking most drive usage scenarios. As with mechanical drives, the drives themselves seem to be the limiting factors. Very interesting indeed. Somewhat related, Jay built a NAS server with mechanical HDDs that were out performing an SSD;
The relevant part starts at 13:40.
 
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All of us should put this in signature with Intel Statement PCI-E 4.0 mean nothing for gamers.
Maybe for owners of Playstation, but for PC and Apple mean a lot.
i9-9980XE now worth between 500 and 750$.


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Thanks for posting this review. Was just looking into whether or not to spend the extra money for the Aorus PCIe 4.0 M.2 drive. Based on your results, I'll hold off and stick with the 512GB version of WD Black's latest drive.

Maybe I'll upgrade to a PCIe 4 SSD down the road after manufacturers have a chance to develop controllers that can take better advantage of the PCIe 4.0 bandwidth increase.
 
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Honest question, what does your server do that requires that much sequential performance (assuming you don't have a 100G NIC)

Not mine, in general, server industry. There is never enough performance.
 
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I think you haven't watched the reviews with sufficient attention.

The difference between that 1700 overclocked (which is basically an 1800X) and 3700X is quite significant. Especially in games.
Looking at 15-20% difference between Ryzen 1000 and Ryzen 3000 in per/core performance (with an even bigger diff when looking at single thread clocks .... (up to)4000 vs 4400 in older titles.

Add on top of that double the AVX power for some professional workloads, and Ryzen 3700X vs 1700 is like the difference between an old Core 2 Quad and a much newer Skylake (same cores, but MUCH faster).
Oh, and it consumes half of the power.


But I feel you, I wouldn't upgrade either an 8-core to another 8-core.
You should get the 3900X when it's in stock ;)
I'm judging based on TPU's review here:

AC: odyssey - 98.6 VS 115.3
BF:V - 142.8 VS 173.3
Civ VI - 155.8 VS 182.7
FC5 - 93.9 VS 118
ME - 134.1 VS 168.3
rage 2: 230.4 VS 237.4
sekiro - 122.5 VS 151.3
Tomb raider - 205.3 VS 247.8
witcher 3 - 213.4 VS 224.9
wolfenstein II- LOL vs LMFAO

Now, these are 720p settings. We can see that in Wolfenstein, witcher, tomb raider, rage 2, civ vi and BFV the framerate difference doesnt matter. At all. All of these results are over 144 FPS (except BFV, which is 1 frame off, close enough) so unless you are using a 165hz monitor the chip makes no difference.

AC; odyssey, far cry 5, metro, and sekiro all show large differences in favor of the 3700x, but that brings in the other bugbear. Subjectively, to me, this makes no difference, because my 1440p monitor's freesync range is only 35-90 FPS, so anything above 90 makes no difference to me. Speaking of 1440p, look at the results there, and you will see:

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Wow. A whopping 5% faster! I was right on the money. As someone who games at a modern resolution, the 3700x is only about 5% faster then the chip I have right now. And in the 2 games that show a big difference between the 1700 OC and the 3700x, both are above the 90 FPS I need to max out freesync.

So, for me, the 3700x is meaningless as it has 0 OC headroom to improve those numbers, and the 1700x is good enough to keep 90 FPS in every title out today. This may change in the future, but at the moment my vega 64 doesnt come close to maintaining 90 FPS in most titles at 1440p, so until a navi 5900xt comes out or I splurge on a 3080ti whenever it comes out, its a pointless exercise in which CPU is faster. Zen 3 may finally offer a large enough difference for me to care, but that will likely be on a different socket.

Trust me, I've been paying attention. In realistic scenarios, the 3700x is barely any faster then my OCed 1700. If I needed to upgrade, the 2700 is much cheaper then a 3700x and can still be OCed to 4.5-4.6 GHz, and based on the 2700x results from the same graphs, that would close any gap with the 3700x. The only reason the 3700x would be exciting is if you wanted to pus 144 FPS constantly, but then you'd be better off with intel.

I should have just bought the 2700 when I built this thing. I was hoping the 3700x would be a bigger step forward like the 2700 was from the 1700.
 
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Wow. A whopping 5% faster!
That was gaming performance. Other benchmarks show a larger variance. Additionally, you're comparing a 1800X to a 3700X. Compare the 1800X to the 3800X and you will see a bigger difference. Apples to Apples, Oranges to Oranges..
 
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