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Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield

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thats kinda an odd argument


2000-2000 Socket A 100mhz
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AMD and Intel have the same record.
You're a little off.

Lets take the Core 2 LGA 775.

1. x9xx series for support up to 1066 FSB CPUs
2. x3x seres for 1333 FSB CPUs
3. x48 and later series for 1600 FSB CPUs

Since AMD boards don't have a separate chip for the memory on the board, a simple BIOS update will allow for an upgrade.

Intel should be the same as AMD from Nahalem on.
 

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AMD Phenom FX - Yorkfield/? Beater

this was the first post on the cpu below (awesome check it - dated from 21st aug 2008)
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17910794&page=1

the motherboards that support it it that i found in one search
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-016-FC

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...770 (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard


the phenom 65nm has reached 4+ghz by a German over clocker (currently amd record for quad core) so wont be a problem for 45nm deneb :toast:
 
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maybe amd learned their lesson from the first rushed phenom launch and is taking their time to publish any big figures until they can back them up, as well as make sure they are bug free
 

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i think they planed the whole thing.
 

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#81
could it be possible that amd is pulling a fast one...atleast i can hope thats the way they're going...after all remember the 4800s being compared to the g92s...when in actuality they were much better...another aim low but actually high....kind of deceptive but i can respect that...

and for all you nehalem fanboi's nehalem is really a multithreaded beast i want it, but i am tired of changing intel boards....i only have one/two amd leftover board and that is the k7n2 delta series from msi, and the k8neo plat for 939...with intel however i have 4 socket 775 boards....it just sucks that a same socket board cant support a cpu with the same structure layout.

back to topic, the 4850 especially did a killing and now its just a matter of time before the 4850 x2 does the same, so my question to those who dont think it can be done.....

why cant it? last i check the p4s were high clocked resource hogs(power) with diminishing returns....
I was thinking that too! I thought they would aim super low, so if they failed, oh well, but if it is good, OMG AMD is king. We will see.
 
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i think they planed the whole thing.
And laying off half of their workforce was part of the plan?
I'm an AMD Fanboi, but I don't think they had this ace up their sleeve the whole time.
 

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i think they planed the whole thing.
you are 100% right on coz they are doing the same as they did with their video cards but with the cpu they are making sure the backbone is there first (the motherboards) simple
 

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Guys i was actually kidding, being sarcastic. I don't really think they planned the whole thing...but i do think they are going to try and keep this as confidential as they can until its released.
 

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Guys i was actually kidding, being sarcastic. I don't really think they planned the whole thing...but i do think they are going to try and keep this as confidential as they can until its released.
wow u r right again lol coz they have learned not to underestimate mighty Intel ever again (as most sites were saying amd does not know what is coming e.g. i7), which is a good thing
 
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whats the launch price, where are they, wher eis a true review
 

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i suppose the point is, does intel have an ace. which might be the reason amd is keeping it hush hush

Also, we should not forget that AMD constantly lives with the dilemma that it is out-resourced and out-spent in comparison with Intel. If it reveals too much about its future strategy and Intel likes that strategy there is at least the theoretical chance that Intel could take this idea and deliver a product even before AMD. This was probably a key reason for the company to switch its entire communications strategy and remain completely quiet about a new product until it exactly knows its specs and capabilities – and is convinced that Nvidia or Intel can’t beat it to market anymore.:banghead:
 
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i suppose the point is, does intel have an ace. which might be the reason amd is keeping it hush hush

Also, we should not forget that AMD constantly lives with the dilemma that it is out-resourced and out-spent in comparison with Intel. If it reveals too much about its future strategy and Intel likes that strategy there is at least the theoretical chance that Intel could take this idea and deliver a product even before AMD. This was probably a key reason for the company to switch its entire communications strategy and remain completely quiet about a new product until it exactly knows its specs and capabilities – and is convinced that Nvidia or Intel can’t beat it to market anymore.:banghead:
You make it sound like they're actually at WAR with eachother, why doesn't an AMD rep just go infiltrate and suicide bomb an intel tech center? :laugh:
 

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What does this have to do with Germans? :confused:

You have AMD's fab in Dresden, but technology centers all over, HQ in California, US.
 

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Interesting arguements but the fact is, we dont know enough about these chips to make any concrete points. Its all speculation. It sure seems to me that AMD might have something coming, though who's to say how awesome it will be. It has to be something else to differentiate between us (AMD) and them (inTel) since Intel is now a steroid A64 :D
 
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#91
thats kinda an odd argument

AMD and Intel have the same record.
You did have to buy new chipsets to support newer intel CPUs along the way, though :)
edit: nvm, that was redundant haha


I'm going to say with almost certainty that this 4 ghz (stock) deneb is 100% bull. It's not really possible considering the materials used haven't changed. Bulldozer could be another story.
 
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i love AMD, but do you guys really believe any AMD chip will come stock @ 4ghz? that's just ridiculous to believe in. i mean the world record for highest OC on any AMD chip, ever is 4.2ghz, and you expect 4ghz stock on 4 cores?
 

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How many 45nm AMD chips did you see reach that 4.20 GHz mark before?
 

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You did have to buy new chipsets to support newer intel CPUs along the way, though :)
edit: nvm, that was redundant haha


I'm going to say with almost certainty that this 4 ghz (stock) deneb is 100% bull. It's not really possible considering the materials used haven't changed. Bulldozer could be another story.
i think your forgetting this is not k10 but k10.5 (hah). amd had more than enough time to come up with a totally new? say K11 or whatever but for some reason they stayed with the k10.5, why? because its 45nm with steroids and a combination of leading edge technologies, such as immersion lithography and AMD’s 4th generation of strained-silicon, plus high-k metal gate transistors could have or will be used very shortly co developed with IBM. we have learned one think and that is amd says its for the low end but recently even there low end beats the crap out of high end (well in gpu anyway)
 
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woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow, sound's go to amd now , like we see new intel cpu not support high overclock , now amd give as high overclock cpu , score to amd , that's is what we waiting for , we wait too long amd but thanx to give us something we deserve
 

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I could see 45nm stock 4ghz chips, its not hard to actully belive, what i want to know is this, what ace does intel have to counter this?
 

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I don't believe this for a second. In fact, I don't believe either of the claims.

I'm willing to bet they will not launch at 4+GHz, and I'm especially willing to bet they don't beat a 5GHz Intel quad at those speeds.

K10 is slower than Core2 clock for clock, a die shrink and a few tweaks isn't gonna suddenly make them faster than the Intels. Maybe they can come closer, perhaps even match kentsfield, but they aren't gonna beat Intel in overall performance.

Then you have to factor in i7.

I say this is FUD.
 
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this better true, i hope amd starts owning again!
 

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I don't believe this for a second. In fact, I don't believe either of the claims.

I'm willing to bet they will not launch at 4+GHz, and I'm especially willing to bet they don't beat a 5GHz Intel quad at those speeds.

K10 is slower than Core2 clock for clock, a die shrink and a few tweaks isn't gonna suddenly make them faster than the Intels. Maybe they can come closer, perhaps even match kentsfield, but they aren't gonna beat Intel in overall performance.

Then you have to factor in i7.

I say this is FUD.
no telling what all they did to deneb though ya know