• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Phenom II against intels old and new chips all oced to 3.7ghz

Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=1170&page=9



Yeah, AMD was always cheap. I guess...? NO! They launched the Phenom I at $200+, while the Q6600 was at the same price range, and their potential is SOO much different. And look at the current prices, how much did they drop the price?

Which CPU has more stable price?

The reasonable price for Phenom II 920 is $209, and $239 for 940. Higher than that = rip-off.



not really remember these chips ,phenom II s ,are running in two + year old chipsets, with new chipsets and DDR3 you have know idea how fast they might be. Look at how fast they are already with AM2 and AM2+ chipsets, with pre beta bios, and ES samples.
 
Joined
May 19, 2007
Messages
7,662 (1.25/day)
Location
c:\programs\kitteh.exe
Processor C2Q6600 @ 1.6 GHz
Motherboard Anus PQ5
Cooling ACFPro
Memory GEiL2 x 1 GB PC2 6400
Video Card(s) MSi 4830 (RIP)
Storage Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320 GB Perpendicular Recording
Display(s) Dell 17'
Case El Cheepo
Audio Device(s) 7.1 Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software MCE2K5
so tom how much percent do you think is in the bag
 
Joined
Jul 2, 2008
Messages
3,638 (0.63/day)
Location
California
not really remember these chips ,phenom II s ,are running in two + year old chipsets, with new chipsets and DDR3 you have know idea how fast they might be. Look at how fast they are already with AM2 and AM2+ chipsets, with pre beta bios, and ES samples.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1124/1/ddr_3_gaming_performance_analysis/index.html

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/ddr2-800-vs-ddr3-1333-does-speed-matter/

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989&p=1
....
 
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017

Not sure what these are for , they are with intel chips not AMD and your are assuming they are engineered the same ( and they are not similar at all), and your not taking into account a new chip set is coming for AMD. This would be like putting a new 1366 chip in a old 775 chipset, with ddr2 and saying it would perform like it does now. Remember AMD has alway been better with memory than intel and has been in the memory controller business alot longer than intel.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 10, 2006
Messages
4,665 (0.74/day)
Location
Washington, US
System Name Rainbow
Processor Intel Core i7 8700k
Motherboard MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC
Cooling Corsair H115i, 2x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM
Memory G. Skill TridentZ RGB 4x8GB (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
Video Card(s) ZOTAC GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity
Storage 2x Samsung 950 Pro 256GB | 2xHGST Deskstar 4TB 7.2K
Display(s) Samsung C27HG70
Case Xigmatek Aquila
Power Supply Seasonic 760W SS-760XP
Mouse Razer Deathadder 2013
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K95
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 4 trillion points in GmailMark, over 144 FPS 2K Facebook Scrolling (Extreme Quality preset)
I can tell you that so far, my PII "feels" faster than my old Q9550.

:laugh: Ahahaha! I... You.. you said old.. WAAAHahahaha!:laugh:

If that's old, then what would you call this machine I picked up. 166 MHz Pentium with MMX.
Froze in the middle of POST. Fixed it by re-seating the external L2. Does your fancy-smancy Phenom II or your Core 2 Quad have external L2? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Even Ol' Sempy (in system specs) is getting a bit long in the tooth.
 
Joined
Jul 2, 2008
Messages
3,638 (0.63/day)
Location
California
Not sure what these are for , they are with intel chips not AMD and your are assuming they are engineered the same ( and they are not similar at all), and your not taking into account a new chip set is coming for AMD. This would be like putting a new 1366 chip in a old 775 chipset, with ddr2 and saying it would perform like it does now. Remember AMD has alway been better with memory than intel and has been in the memory controller business alot longer than intel.

Longer doesn't mean better, the bandwidth king is no longer AMD's.

But well, there are plenty of time until AM3 DDR3 is out.
 
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017
Longer doesn't mean better, the bandwidth king is no longer AMD's.

But well, there are plenty of time until AM3 DDR3 is out.

longer? we have no idea how ddr3 will effect the performance of the P2 or a updated chipset. You don't know that intel is the bandwidth king.
 
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017
:laugh: Ahahaha! I... You.. you said old.. WAAAHahahaha!:laugh:

If that's old, then what would you call this machine I picked up. 166 MHz Pentium with MMX.
Froze in the middle of POST. Fixed it by re-seating the external L2. Does your fancy-smancy Phenom II or your Core 2 Quad have external L2? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Even Ol' Sempy (in system specs) is getting a bit long in the tooth.

SEMPY!!!! gotta love the semprons anyways man that Pentium with MMX we would just go ahead and call that grandpa or gramps, but hey pentiums aren't bad they can still play Doom.

neither of these posts belong on this thread.
 
Joined
Jul 2, 2008
Messages
3,638 (0.63/day)
Location
California
Games don't need more bandwidth than the current DDR2 can offers, new chipset or faster DDR3 won't help much.
 
Joined
Mar 29, 2007
Messages
4,838 (0.78/day)
System Name Aquarium
Processor Ryzen 9 7950x
Motherboard ROG Strix X670-E
Cooling Lian Li Galahead 360 AIO
Memory 2x16gb Flare X5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 3060
Storage 2TB WD SN850X Black NVMe, 500GB Samsung 970 NVMe
Display(s) Gigabyte 32" IPS 144Hz
Case Hyte Y60
Power Supply Corsair RMx 850
Software Win 11 Pro/ PopOS!
Not sure what these are for , they are with intel chips not AMD and your are assuming they are engineered the same ( and they are not similar at all), and your not taking into account a new chip set is coming for AMD. This would be like putting a new 1366 chip in a old 775 chipset, with ddr2 and saying it would perform like it does now. Remember AMD has alway been better with memory than intel and has been in the memory controller business alot longer than intel.

That's not really a fair analogy, as 1366 brought a number of architectural changes, well a complete overhaul: QPI, DDR3, HT, ect. AM3 as far as I can tell is simply AM2 w/ DDR3, same old K10. I can't see the improvement being as drastic as in intel's case, and that's why you couldn't use a i7 in 775.

Games don't need more bandwidth than the current DDR2 can offers, new chipset or faster DDR3 won't help much.

There's more than just games though, games really aren't that relevant outside of gpu benches. I was under the impression memory speed and bandwidth made very little difference on gaming performance (within reason of course, and w/o dedicated gddr it gets more important).
 

kysg

New Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2008
Messages
1,255 (0.22/day)
Location
Pacoima, CA
System Name Workhorse lappy
Processor AMD A6 3420
Memory 8GB DDR3 1066
Video Card(s) ATI radeon 6520G
Storage OCZ Vertex4 128GB SSD SATAIII
Display(s) 15inch LCD
Software Windows 7 64bit
neither of these posts belong on this thread.

and you making comments about it geez your worse than a little kid...lighten up:roll:

but before I get told off on what I should be saying. I'll say this much, phenom II is doing pretty good. I just don't see it happening it getting released at 200 bucks though for the 920. Just couldn't imagine it, unless they plan on kicking x3's out there for cheap. It is good to see it doing better than agena, even better than some of the quads. Still I am skeptical about performance of DDR3 and the AM3 chipset as a whole, the most we can really expect is just lower consumption on the memory, heck we have yet to see a chipset that made a cpu run that much better with the exception to ocing.
 

Wile E

Power User
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
24,318 (3.81/day)
System Name The ClusterF**k
Processor 980X @ 4Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 BIOS F12
Cooling MCR-320, DDC-1 pump w/Bitspower res top (1/2" fittings), Koolance CPU-360
Memory 3x2GB Mushkin Redlines 1600Mhz 6-8-6-24 1T
Video Card(s) Evga GTX 580
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 240GB, 2xSeagate 320GB RAID0; 2xSeagate 3TB; 2xSamsung 2TB; Samsung 1.5TB
Display(s) HP LP2475w 24" 1920x1200 IPS
Case Technofront Bench Station
Audio Device(s) Auzentech X-Fi Forte into Onkyo SR606 and Polk TSi200's + RM6750
Power Supply ENERMAX Galaxy EVO EGX1250EWT 1250W
Software Win7 Ultimate N x64, OSX 10.8.4
longer? we have no idea how ddr3 will effect the performance of the P2 or a updated chipset. You don't know that intel is the bandwidth king.

To be honest Tom, AMD's IMC's have always kinda been under performing in terms of bandwidth. Just look at the bandwidth tests in the link in the OP. The 775 setup had more bandwidth than the AMD setups. The AMDs did have slightly better latency, tho.
 
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017
To be honest Tom, AMD's IMC's have always kinda been under performing in terms of bandwidth. Just look at the bandwidth tests in the link in the OP. The 775 setup had more bandwidth than the AMD setups. The AMDs did have slightly better latency, tho.

We will have to wait and see and I wasn't only taking about ram I was also talking about on chip memory management as well. Remember the phenom does have a DDR3 controller aswell, why AMD doesn't use it is because it didn't make much difference , but the new Phenom is 45nm, has an a improved DDR2 and DDR3 controller, more on chip memory, better chipset instruction ,built in ACC and appears on average to over clock about 800 mghz, each core higher on existing platforms than the phenom did. That to me is hardly the same chip.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 10, 2006
Messages
4,665 (0.74/day)
Location
Washington, US
System Name Rainbow
Processor Intel Core i7 8700k
Motherboard MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC
Cooling Corsair H115i, 2x Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM
Memory G. Skill TridentZ RGB 4x8GB (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
Video Card(s) ZOTAC GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity
Storage 2x Samsung 950 Pro 256GB | 2xHGST Deskstar 4TB 7.2K
Display(s) Samsung C27HG70
Case Xigmatek Aquila
Power Supply Seasonic 760W SS-760XP
Mouse Razer Deathadder 2013
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K95
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 4 trillion points in GmailMark, over 144 FPS 2K Facebook Scrolling (Extreme Quality preset)
Games don't need more bandwidth than the current DDR2 can offers, new chipset or faster DDR3 won't help much.

If I recall correctly, the Phenom II suffered a bit in core to core bandwidth. The new, increased HyperTransport bus should aid in that, should it not?

I agree with you that DDR3 may not offer much to the AM3 Phenoms (if not hurt with their higher latencies), but can anything be said about the chipset yet? Will we still be using SB750s? Improved IMC?

Come to think of it, will we see any changes in the AM3 Phenom II? ..or will it just be "adapted" for AM3.
 

r9

Joined
Jul 28, 2008
Messages
3,300 (0.58/day)
System Name Primary|Secondary|Poweredge r410|Dell XPS|SteamDeck
Processor i7 11700k|i7 9700k|2 x E5620 |i5 5500U|Zen 2 4c/8t
Memory 32GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|32GB ECC DDR3|8GB DDR4|16GB LPDDR5
Video Card(s) RX 7800xt|RX 6700xt |On-Board|On-Board|8 RDNA 2 CUs
Storage 2TB m.2|512GB SSD+1TB SSD|2x256GBSSD 2x2TBGB|256GB sata|512GB nvme
Display(s) 50" 4k TV | Dell 27" |22" |3.3"|7"
VR HMD Samsung Odyssey+ | Oculus Quest 2
Software Windows 11 Pro|Windows 10 Pro|Windows 10 Home| Server 2012 r2|Windows 10 Pro
Just read my signature.
And some facts why I`m not impressed.
i7 at 2.6 GHz is 20+ % faster than 15% higher clocked PII 940 that is roughly 35%+ lower performance efficiency MHz to MHz from CPU that have equal transistor count and because of that similar production cost i7 that is.
 
Joined
Feb 19, 2006
Messages
6,270 (0.95/day)
Location
New York
Processor INTEL CORE I9-9900K @ 5Ghz all core 4.7Ghz Cache @1.305 volts
Motherboard ASUS PRIME Z390-P ATX
Cooling CORSAIR HYDRO H150I PRO RGB 360MM 6x120mm fans push pull
Memory CRUCIAL BALLISTIX 3000Mhz 4x8 32gb @ 4000Mhz
Video Card(s) EVGA GEFORECE RTX 2080 SUPER XC HYBRID GAMING
Storage ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB 3D NAND NVMe,Intel 660p 1TB m.2 ,1TB WD Blue 3D NAND,500GB WD Blue 3D NAND,
Display(s) 50" Sharp Roku TV 8ms responce time and Philips 75Hz 328E9QJAB 32" curved
Case BLACK LIAN LI O11 DYNAMIC XL FULL-TOWER GAMING CASE,
Power Supply 1600 Watt
Software Windows 10
WOW TPU members are so passionate about their processors:toast::rockout::rockout:
You can take my house.
You can take My job .
You can take my car.
BUT DON'T TOUCH THE PC !
lol:roll::roll::roll:
Back to the subject:The PII is at least now heading in the correct direction..maybe the next editions will be right on par!?! ...I hope so because I miss stomping benchmarks with an AMD !But for now I am sticking with Intel's i7 so I can get to stomping benchmarks !:eek:;):rockout:
 
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017
Just read my signature.
And some facts why I`m not impressed.
i7 at 2.6 GHz is 20+ % faster than 15% higher clocked PII 940 that is roughly 35%+ lower performance efficiency MHz to MHz from CPU that have equal transistor count and because of that similar production cost i7 that is.

and a i7 costs about 50.00 or more and it's motherboard averages about 200.00 to 250.00 more than a decent phenom board, plus decent ddr3 is about 50.00 more expensive per kit than ddr2 . So for that 20 percent you are paying 350.00 to 400.00 more for the intel system and that is not worth it considering a Phenom II will eat up anything, anyone can throw at it ,and will not bottle neck any gpu out. The intel system is overkill and I for one am a fan of overkill, but the phenom II is the better bang for the buck.

 
Last edited:

r9

Joined
Jul 28, 2008
Messages
3,300 (0.58/day)
System Name Primary|Secondary|Poweredge r410|Dell XPS|SteamDeck
Processor i7 11700k|i7 9700k|2 x E5620 |i5 5500U|Zen 2 4c/8t
Memory 32GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|32GB ECC DDR3|8GB DDR4|16GB LPDDR5
Video Card(s) RX 7800xt|RX 6700xt |On-Board|On-Board|8 RDNA 2 CUs
Storage 2TB m.2|512GB SSD+1TB SSD|2x256GBSSD 2x2TBGB|256GB sata|512GB nvme
Display(s) 50" 4k TV | Dell 27" |22" |3.3"|7"
VR HMD Samsung Odyssey+ | Oculus Quest 2
Software Windows 11 Pro|Windows 10 Pro|Windows 10 Home| Server 2012 r2|Windows 10 Pro
I`m talking about the CPU only not whole platform that is different matter.
And what Phenom II means for AMD and from tech view.
For the price of platform, yes Phenom II does make sense.
And in my opinion for AM3 Phenoms II it would be better to use extra die space for triple channel mem controler than backwards compatibility to DDRII that would give em more edge.
And that advantage in price of mobo and memory will dissolve in short time cheaper intel mobos will surface and DDRIII price will fall.
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017
I`m talking about the CPU only not whole platform that is different matter.
And what Phenom II means for AMD and from tech view.
For the price of platform, yes Phenom II does make sense.

What the phenom II means to AMD is you don't have to throw out your whole system, buy new ram and motherboard to increase performance significantly. Intel on the other hand wants to make you constantly do total rebuilds, and intel changes it's socket as often as it can thats what it means to people who are tired of that crap, and to AMD I say bravo
 

r9

Joined
Jul 28, 2008
Messages
3,300 (0.58/day)
System Name Primary|Secondary|Poweredge r410|Dell XPS|SteamDeck
Processor i7 11700k|i7 9700k|2 x E5620 |i5 5500U|Zen 2 4c/8t
Memory 32GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|16GB DDR4|32GB ECC DDR3|8GB DDR4|16GB LPDDR5
Video Card(s) RX 7800xt|RX 6700xt |On-Board|On-Board|8 RDNA 2 CUs
Storage 2TB m.2|512GB SSD+1TB SSD|2x256GBSSD 2x2TBGB|256GB sata|512GB nvme
Display(s) 50" 4k TV | Dell 27" |22" |3.3"|7"
VR HMD Samsung Odyssey+ | Oculus Quest 2
Software Windows 11 Pro|Windows 10 Pro|Windows 10 Home| Server 2012 r2|Windows 10 Pro
What the phenom II means to AMD is you don't have to throw out your whole system, buy new ram and motherboard to increase performance significantly. Intel on the other hand wants to make you constantly do total rebuilds, and intel changes it's socket as often as it can thats what it means to people who are tired of that crap, and to AMD I say bravo

And price difference is 25$ no more.
AMD and Intel about socket number they are the same.
Some times when you want to make step up in performace changes are need that means both for AMD and Intel.

I`m not trying to start fight just common sense and facts.
We all are using our CPU overclocked so when we compare CPU for us it is overclocked frequency that matters. From that point of view i7 is 4.2GHz and PII is 3.9 and that is because of yours OC every overclock that I read is 3.8 GHz.
And i7 at 2.6 GHz is 20%+ faster what is happening when i7 is 300 MHz over PII and take in to account 35%+ eficency MHz to MHz and 7% those 300MHz extra you end up with 40% performance difference. That my man how you chose to look at it makes not difference it is a big gap for 25$ in price difference.
And difference between Q6600 at 2.4 and PII 940 at 3.0 GHz is just 12% and Q6600 is 100$ cheaper and it uses DDRII and mobo in price range of PII board even cheaper P35 will do the job.
All the numbers are from reviews that come up today.
 
Joined
Nov 13, 2007
Messages
10,205 (1.71/day)
Location
Austin Texas
Processor 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.6/ 5.5, 4.8Ghz Ring 200W PL1
Motherboard MSI 690-I PRO
Cooling Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans
Memory 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 FE
Storage 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr
Display(s) Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED
Case SLIGER S620
Audio Device(s) Yes
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse Xlite V2
Keyboard RoyalAxe
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores They're pretty good, nothing crazy.
What the phenom II means to AMD is you don't have to throw out your whole system, buy new ram and motherboard to increase performance significantly. Intel on the other hand wants to make you constantly do total rebuilds, and intel changes it's socket as often as it can thats what it means to people who are tired of that crap, and to AMD I say bravo

AMD did that with 939 to AM2, then AM2 to AM2+, soon AM3... LGA 775 has been around since p4 and intel just changed it.

The phenom is a good chip, it has its strengths... but its a bit too late. All intel has to do is drop Q9550 price.
 

Darren

New Member
Joined
Feb 27, 2005
Messages
1,936 (0.28/day)
System Name Cheap yet powerful gaming and entertainment rig!
Processor AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 Windsor, 1 MB L2 Cache (512k L2 Per Core), 65W Energy efficient, 2GHz @ 2.78 Ghz
Motherboard Asrock ALiveNF7G-HD720p Rev v5.0
Cooling Freezer 64, 2x120mm, 1x92mm
Memory 8 GB DDRII PC6400 @ 929 MHz OCZ (2GBx4) timing: 5-5-5-5-16-2T
Video Card(s) XFX ATI4830
Storage Seagate 320 GB SATA (16 MB Cache)
Display(s) 19' HannsG (1440x900 @ 75hz)
Case Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Case
Audio Device(s) Auzentech X-Meridian, Pioneer VSX-516 Receiver 7.1 with DD/DD EX/Prologic II/DTS/DTS-ES//DTS: Neo
Power Supply Cool Master eXtreme Power 460W PSU
Software Vista Ultimate X64 Corporate Edition
R9,

Sorry for calling you a troll earlier, I should have been a bit more patient. However, when you boast about having an "Anti-AMD" quote in your signature it is only natural that people will get offended. Your signature also shows that you're immature and childish that you're unable to articulate a discussion and your only objective is to force propaganda down our throats.

You have already expressed that a few days ago that you are not happy with the AMDs Phenom IIs performance and pricing, these are your opinions and you have every right to express them. However, you constantly create new posts that contain very little value to the positive discussion it gets quite frustrating, especially when you make bogus attempts to convert everybody into embracing Intel. If you are so in love with the Intel's range what is stopping you creating a thread based around the i7? if you can not respect peoples reasoning for making a educated purchase then people might find it hard to respect you, the Phenom II can be considered an educated purchase.

I've already explained yesterday that the pricing for Intel and AMD components vary country to country and I've already explained that prices of all components are high during the initial release period because retailers know that fan boys will buy overpriced components on release just for the luxury of owning the first batch. Prices will eventually stablise in a few weeks. I've already said this before and you even agreed with me, yet you've brought up this weak pricing argument yet again in #95.

PS.
For someone that likes quoting Anandtech's "final words" in your signature you do a bad job of it, below makes up for your Intel bias quoting :)

Compared to the Core 2 Quad Q9400, the Phenom II X4 940 is clearly the better pick. While it's not faster across the board, more often than not the 940 is equal to or faster than the Q9400.

the Phenom II X4 920 vs. Q9300/Q8200; AMD wins that comparison at the same price point. Compared to the Q9400, the Phenom II X4 920 falls behind..
if you have a Socket-AM2+ motherboard with BIOS support for Phenom II there's no question - Phenom II is the best upgrade path for you. .


If you are trying to build a new system from scratch, I'd suggest waiting for either the Socket-AM3 CPUs or see what Intel does with its pricing later this month.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492&p=20
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
399 (0.07/day)
Location
United Kingdom.
System Name i7 Rig.
Processor i7 3930K @ 4Ghz
Motherboard Asus Rampage IV Extreme Black Edition
Cooling Custom, Liquid Cooled.
Memory 32gb DDR3 2133mhz Corsair Dominator Platinum
Video Card(s) 2x Gigabyte 780Ti Gigahertz Edition in SLI
Storage 1TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD
Display(s) 1x 30" Dell U3011, 2x 24" Dell U2414H
Case Corsair Obsidian 900D
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar Essence STX
Power Supply be quiet! Power Zone 1000W
Mouse Corsair Gaming CG M65 RGB
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K70 Brown MX
Software Windows 7 Premium 64-Bit
I think what Amd are doing now with there Cpu's and Mb it great, because people can upgrade more efficiently and "keep up to times" with technology at a cheaper cost, So if people have a little spare cash and they want to update there pc a little, they can get rid of there DD2 and put some DDR3 in, weather this will make a different or not to performance, it is still nice to have that choice in most peoples eyes (I know Intel do this also, I am just pointing out). Also there mb's you can have old Cpu’s in along with new processers. Overall I believe Amd are going in the right direction. I mean I am just thinking outside the box here a little but image in the future having a Phenom II in a laptop, personally I think the laptop would be allot cheaper than if an i7 was in it (judging by my opinion in prices Vs each other).
On the other hand, I also love what Intel are doing as they are pushing technology to show what they can do, and personally if I was Intel I would be pushing to see how fast I could get a cpu and if that made the price a little higher for that extra performance then so be it because they have "fall back cpu's" that if people want a good cpu for a good price then they have it, But for enthusiast’s such as yourselves can go out and buy faster chips. I mean you can’t deny that i7 cores are selling like crazy just because people want/need the performance and in some cases just want to show off their pc that they love so much.

Anyways I know this is probably going to get ripped to bits by people but I just wanted to say my opinion. And trust me when I say, I think of AMD and Intel as equals weather it be price to performance or whatever, I am sure they already have plans for what there cpu's will be used for and who they intend to aim at.
 
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,119 (1.70/day)
System Name Apple Bite
Processor Intel I5
Motherboard Apple
Memory 40gb of DDR 4 2700
Video Card(s) ATI Radeon 500
Storage Fusion Drive 1 TB
Display(s) 27 Inch IMac late 2017
AMD did that with 939 to AM2, then AM2 to AM2+, soon AM3... LGA 775 has been around since p4 and intel just changed it.

The phenom is a good chip, it has its strengths... but its a bit too late. All intel has to do is drop Q9550 price.

Am2 chips are compatible with AM2+ and Am3+ chips are compatible with Am2 and Am2+ motherboards. They have only changed the socket once in your analogy. Not sure your point now had the new intel chips been been 775 compatible your point may have made sense but they are not. As to the 25.00 difference well your forgetting the DDR3 upgrade and motherboard are you not? and even with a 25. 00 difference the motherboard are very far apart price wise. It still makes the upgrade at least 275.00 or more over a Phenom II system. Also my overclock is with a 59.00 motherboard or atleast it was when I bought it and it has only three cpu voltage settings.
 
Joined
Jul 2, 2008
Messages
3,638 (0.63/day)
Location
California
and a i7 costs about 50.00 or more and it's motherboard averages about 200.00 to 250.00 more than a decent phenom board, plus decent ddr3 is about 50.00 more expensive per kit than ddr2 . So for that 20 percent you are paying 350.00 to 400.00 more for the intel system and that is not worth it considering a Phenom II will eat up anything, anyone can throw at it ,and will not bottle neck any gpu out. The intel system is overkill and I for one am a fan of overkill, but the phenom II is the better bang for the buck.

The Core i7 is not a mainstream platform, It's for enthusiast.

If the rumor about the Core i5 is true, then you will see this board using dual channel DDR2. Which will replace the current mainstream, E8000, Q9000.

AMD did sell some of their processors at $1000 mark, because it was the fastest one at that time, If Phenom II 940BE is the fastest processor right now, you will see AMD price them at $1000 mark. It's normal for both Intel and AMD.

AMD started doing "Low cost, budget platform that great for gamers", since the Core 2 Duo started showing up.

How much the Phenom II is faster than Q6600? And how much it cost more? I can build a same system which is cheaper with Q6600, or E8400, and still run games as fast.

The current price for Phenom II is unreasonable. I expect them to drop respectively from $280, and $230 to $235, and $200.
 
Top