Phenom II vs Core i7

TheMailMan78 · Apr 11, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
I used the calculator tool in accessories and it all added up to around $1,900 using the retail prices from newegg, minus the newegg discounts.

I don't know how much the tax is on all those parts. I did not include the cost of the computer case, because I have a CM HAF 932 sitting in my closet right now...

CPU - Ci7 930
Motherboard - Foxconn Flamingblade X58
RAM - 6GB DDR3 1600 MHz triple-channel
GPU - MSI HD 5870 Lightning
PSU - Rosewill 1,000W
DVD Drive (I honestly don't need blu-ray)
Hard drive - Seagate 1.5 TB 7200 RPM
OS - Windows 7 professional
Anti-virus - NAV 2010
+ Cost of construction $99.99
- Cost of computer case

It all came up to around $1,900. I have a strict budget of $2,000.

How much would the total tax be on all those components?

Foxcon mobo = no
Rosewell PSU = BIG no
Anti-virus = no need to buy. Use AVG or MSE

Monkey_Business · Apr 11, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
Foxcon mobo = no
Rosewell PSU = BIG no
Anti-virus = no need to buy. Use AVG or MSE

How come?

TheMailMan78 · Apr 11, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
How come?

Foxcon mobo are low quality IMO. Some will disagree. I would go Asus.

Rosewell PSU are complete and utter garbage. The most important component of a rig is the PSU (Power). Go with Corsair or Enermax. You will pay a LOT more but its worth it.

Anti-Virus: Why pay when you can get full featured protection for free? I use MSE and its great!

crazyeyesreaper · Apr 11, 2010

for power supplies

PC Power & Cooling 750watt silencer

Corsair tx750

Silverstone

Enermax revolution series

etc are good brands and long standing in quality psu's dont skimp on a quality unit huge wattage numbers dont mean squat quality is what matters so spend a few bucks get a decent psu or potential pay the price if said unit fails and wipes out your system

Tatty_Two · Apr 11, 2010

AVG is a good and frre Anti Virus, I have been using it.... well forever. Do you really need a 1000W PSU? What graphics cards are you using in that system? Possibly a nice Corsair HX or TX 750W might do you and they are better.

Foxconn are getting better, I have heard decent reports of their x58 boards but also look at Gigabyte, if you are on a budget perhaps go for the UDP4 or even slightly lower. If I could only change one thing in there though it would probably be the PSU.

Monkey_Business · Apr 12, 2010

X58 motherboards are quite expensive. $200 is actually a very good price for one. "Flamingblade" sounds like it is geared towards gaming. Could you recommend any other decent, X58 mobos for around $200?

What PSU wattage would be appropriate for my build?

TheMailMan78 · Apr 12, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
X58 motherboards are quite expensive. $200 is actually a very good price for one. "Flamingblade" sounds like it is geared towards gaming. Could you recommend any other decent, X58 mobos for around $200?

What PSU wattage would be appropriate for my build?

I'm an AMD guy. However some of the Intel guys should be able to help. If you can find a ROG X58 I would go with that.

LAN_deRf_HA · Apr 12, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
Rosewell PSU = BIG no

I've built dozens of cheap systems using rosewell supplies. Haven't had a problem with any of them or the parts they supply power too.

Kantastic · Apr 12, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
X58 motherboards are quite expensive. $200 is actually a very good price for one. "Flamingblade" sounds like it is geared towards gaming. Could you recommend any other decent, X58 mobos for around $200?

What PSU wattage would be appropriate for my build?

1. Go for one of the Gigabyte boards, Paulieg (our lovely mod) has tried just about every X58 board and he swears by Gigabyte being the most stable.

2. 800-1000W would be fine. I highly recommend a Corsair HX850. Corsair's 7 year warranty and customer service is top notch, and the unit itself is very, very efficient.

n-ster · Apr 12, 2010

For the price range and the features, you CAN'T beat a Gigabyte X58a-ud3r.... Seriously, 200$, 2 PCI-Es, SATA 6gbps, USB 3.0, 2oz copper, best stability, LOVELY BIOS!

Paulieg and Fits both would vouch for a gig board...

Rosewill is a big NO for higher end systems

TheMailMan78 · Apr 12, 2010

LAN_deRf_HA said:
I've built dozens of cheap systems using rosewell supplies. Haven't had a problem with any of them or the parts they supply power too.

I guess you dont mind ripple.

n-ster · Apr 12, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
I guess you dont mind ripple.

Oh yea, I forgot the mention not for Overclocking either

and ripple slowly kills your components faster than a non-rippling PSU

Kantastic · Apr 12, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
I guess you dont mind ripple.

Well he did say a 'cheap' systems so it doesn't really matter.

LAN_deRf_HA · Apr 12, 2010

As long as it isn't causing hardware failures, then no I suppose I don't care.

n-ster · Apr 12, 2010

It does in the long run, and I am sure you like OCing?

trickson · Apr 12, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
I heard that the Phenom II X4 965 at any clock speed, is only 1/3 as fast as the Core i7.

The Ci7 is so fast, it will shave Tens of seconds off of loading times in all games, as well as give a boost Tens of FPS compared to the Phenom II. The Ci7 is a bit pricey though....

Is it really worth it to pay a few more Hundred dollars for a Core i7 as opposed to a top-notch AMD computer?

Good question . maybe you should ask is it better to wait and see how well the AMD 6 core CPU's perform then make your mind up ? I am in the same boat , I want a great computer at a cheep price but it is a price / performance issue and well AMD is really not that far behind i7 .

Kantastic · Apr 12, 2010

IMO a power supply is a long term investment. I mean you can go with cheap units but lets say you buy a cheap unit for $70 and a quality unit for $130, when the cheap unit craps out on you and you're out of warranty where does that put you? It puts you another $70 short or down a total of $140. Better safe than sorry.

LAN_deRf_HA · Apr 12, 2010

n-ster said:
It does in the long run, and I am sure you like OCing?

Define long run? All of the systems have a mild cpu overclock and card clock, still yet to have to repair a single one after years. Well that's not true, I did replace one system a dog pee'd on.

For reference we're talking like $350-400 e5200/4670 systems. For something more high end like what the op wants I'd use a corsair.

eidairaman1 · Apr 12, 2010

Ive had this Neo HE 500 for about 4 Years Now and Hasn't quit on me, Video card stated it required a 450 watt PSU but I already had the PSU before the card. Best 90 USD i spent at the time.

n-ster said:
Oh yea, I forgot the mention not for Overclocking either and ripple slowly kills your components faster than a non-rippling PSU

same with brownouts and sudden power-downs.

n-ster · Apr 12, 2010

LAN_deRf_HA said:
Define long run? All of the systems have a mild cpu overclock and card clock, still yet to have to repair a single one after years. Well that's not true, I did replace one system a dog pee'd on.

For reference we're talking like $350-400 e5200/4670 systems. For something more high end like what the op wants I'd use a corsair.

That low end? then I guess you can settle on rosewill... Still though, you don't want to push your CPU or GPU much with one...

Long run.... Well that is VERY dependent on the situation... depends on cooling, case (airflow), Fans, stress on the PSU, OCs, maintenance (dust?)... I'd say in a bad situation, 2 years ish... In a good situation 10-15 years ish... Oh and it depends on the components too

I'd say a e5200/4670 built by a TPU member (you), go ahead and get rosewill, or a cheap similar / better quality option

Monkey_Business · Apr 12, 2010

GRID really uses 8 threads?

HammerON · Apr 12, 2010

exodusprime1337 · Apr 12, 2010

HammerON said:
http://img.techpowerup.org/100412/Capture015.jpg

i'm just joining this thread.. what is this supposed to represent.. the above post mention grid using 8 threads, and then u posted this.. is there a correlation that i'm missing?

HammerON · Apr 12, 2010

I was thinking the OP was talking about World Community Grid, but I could be wrong~

Monkey_Business · Apr 12, 2010

HammerON said:
I was thinking the OP was talking about World Community Grid, but I could be wrong~

Race driver GRID was what I was talking about.

It uses 4 cores and 8 threads.

It is a VERY well-coded game.

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