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Phenom II X4 Overclocks to 6.00 GHz on LN2

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IMHO, AMD is using "guerrilla marketing" to promote Phenom II. Formal advertising and benchmarks prior to launch will only result in a crushing Intel response. AMD needs enthusiasts to get excited about a big product rollout. Think ATI 48xx marketing and how nVidia was caught flat-footed on pricing and marketing.
Agreed. Former ATI's PR tactics, have had quite some influence on AMD lately. This could well be the right way to market their processors, not the way AMD did during the Barcelona/Agena launch.
 
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The word on the street is that the ATI team is significantly changing the culture at AMD. For example, HERE you will see the following comment:


i can see your point and totaly agree with it. thanks for the info.. lets hope the PII will be as good as they look.
PII .. even more confusion.
 
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and what amd did to nvidia?



you are not serious, are you? lets hope it beats Q6600 clock-to-clock...
Personally, i'm hoping it beats the hell out of the Q6600 and comes close to like 8% or so slower then i7: less is even better.

Why you ask? Because it would force Intel to lower their prices of c2d and c2q to stay competitive. That's a win for us consumers.
 
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and what amd did to nvidia?
You obviously weren't paying attention when the GTX260/280 and HD 4850/70 came out, were you?

In a nutshell AMD released GPUs that scale better and made a killing in the performance:cost department.
 

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Not really, it was still a bit behind. And penryn is actually considerably faster than kentsfield.
I thought penryn was only a die shrink, added instructions and more cache, it can't be more than 5-10 percent faster.
 
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I thought penryn was only a die shrink, added instructions and more cache, it can't be more than 5-10 percent faster.
It depends where they've added the instruction, because before the new cores the L3 was useless. For instance look at the C2D, the added cache on that makes the processor rock.
 

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It depends where they've added the instruction, because before the new cores the L3 was useless. For instance look at the C2D, the added cache on that makes the processor rock.
I thought the biggest advantage would be the new SSE instructions and that wouldn't really help in games. :ohwell:
 
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I thought penryn was only a die shrink, added instructions and more cache, it can't be more than 5-10 percent faster.
Well it was, 5-10% sounds about right on a clock for clock basis. Of course they also extended that margin w/ the q9550 and q9650, both of which have a higher stock clock and can clock higher than the two kentsfields. That's mostly what I was thinking, for PII to surpass penryn effectively, it will have to go past the q6600 to the considerably faster q9650.
 

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Well it was, 5-10% sounds about right. Of course they also extended that margin w/ the q9550 and q9650, both of which have a higher stock clock and can clock higher than the two kentsfields. That's mostly what I was thinking, for PII to surpass penryn effectively, it will have to go past the q6600 to the considerably faster q9650.
I think kentsfield should have came with higher clocks. Intel were clearly capable of releasing stock q66's above 3ghz since the amazing overclockability of them. Also I wonder how the yorkies will hold out against the new phenoms.
 

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Personally, i'm hoping it beats the hell out of the Q6600 and comes close to like 8% or so slower then i7: less is even better.

Why you ask? Because it would force Intel to lower their prices of c2d and c2q to stay competitive. That's a win for us consumers.
Yes, I too want to beat Q6600 and even the low end 45nm Intel quad-cores - Q8300, Q9300 and so on. Thats gona cut prices somehow. But to say/hope that Deneb will get close to Nehalem is just not realistic.

You obviously weren't paying attention when the GTX260/280 and HD 4850/70 came out, were you?

In a nutshell AMD released GPUs that scale better and made a killing in the performance:cost department.
I was.

48xx scale better? From all the reviews I've read the conclusion is something like that:

gtx280 >> 4870, gtx 260 > 4850

And now with 180.xx even gtx260 >> 4870

But yes for a few months nvidia was gettin raped by ati, what was dissapoiting was that ati still couldnt get the second place in the gpu market but hell for two years nvidia was dominating in the market, it was somehow refreshing and the gpu's were graet price/performance as you said. But most important is that nvidia get fucked and I hope they learned the lesson now - great gpus + crazy price = you get raped by your competition. Im really curious what the 55nm g200 has to offer.
 

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Im really curious what the 55nm g200 has to offer.
Do you mean a 55nm GTX280 or the GTX290, either way I doubt the GTX290 will be much better than the 280, maybe the 8800 Ultra to the 8800 GTX
 
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All I can say is DENEB folks.
 
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The first 2 AMD Phenom II that will be released on 9th of january will be :

1. AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition, Part Number : HDZ940XCGIBOX with 125W TDP, on Socket AM2+. The default speed will be 3000MHz with 8MB Cache.
2. MD Phenom II X4 920, Part Number : HDX920XCGIBOX with 125W TDP, on Socket AM2+. The default speed will be 2800MHz with 8MB Cache.
Source here and transalted here !

:)
 

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The first 2 AMD Phenom II that will be released on 9th of january will be :



Source here and transalted here !

:)


I wonder how many decent boards will be available at launch, and what retail prices will be like.
 
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Retail Prices for Phenom II will be less...more less than the current Intel Core i7 !

Let's say: Intel Core i7 920 = AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition . . .

For the variety of the motherboards and the prices i do not know...the only thing i know is that only ASUS has high MSRPs on AMD Boards ! But on the other hand, those CPUs will be AM2+, so they will play on most of the mobos that are already out now :)
 

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Retail Prices for Phenom II will be less...more less than the current Intel Core i7 !

Let's say: Intel Core i7 920 = AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition . . .

For the variety of the motherboards and the prices i do not know...the only thing i know is that only ASUS has high MSRPs on AMD Boards ! But on the other hand, those CPUs will be AM2+, so they will play on most of the mobos that are already out now :)
I'm running DDR3 now, so I'll need a AM3 board.
 
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They're using the same numbers as intel, this might make for some noobish mistakes.

newb to tech support : hey is my mobo and my cpu meant to have conatct pins or am i missing something, I've got the intel phenom 940.
 
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They're using the same numbers as intel, this might make for some noobish mistakes.

newb to tech support : hey is my mobo and my cpu meant to have conatct pins or am i missing something, I've got the intel phenom 940.
I dont think anyone making these mistakes would be buying 200-500$ worth of hardware :laugh:
 

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Preliminary Deneb Benchies

HERE are some preliminary Deneb benchmarks.



You can compare to i7 if you read German HERE. Also, Tweaktown has some benchies for i7 HERE.
 
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Deneb Crysis Bench

Deneb Crysis Bench with ATI 4870/X2 HERE. Special THANKS to Informal in Xtremesystems for the source of these benchies.

Please do not shoot the messager, go to markbench and flame there - I do not certify these results in any way. This is for your edification and is not gospel.


Because of NDA, all journalists and mobo technicians are prohibited from posting such results, it is almost impossible to get any validation anywhere. Linus@ncix does suggest that Deneb is the bomb HERE.
 

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