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das müffin mann · Feb 28, 2008

well maybe in a few months i can get the 9800x2, 3870x2 in a week

calvary1980 · Feb 28, 2008

who are you kidding it's ATI drivers can never be trusted they either work or dont. ATI should chain up 50 chinese college students in a basement they need to spend some money on programmers.

- Christine

das müffin mann · Feb 28, 2008

you know nvidia doesn't always have super reliable drivers either, btw my ati drivers work just fine never had a problem with my 2900

InnocentCriminal · Feb 28, 2008

Yeah can't say I've ever really had a major problem with ATi drivers, and my nVIDIA chipset drivers are fine, apart from the craptastic IDE driver. HA!

candle_86 · Feb 28, 2008

i can a hell of a lot of time even with the x800GTO i had a few months back if you remember.

Tatty_Two · Feb 28, 2008

mandelore said:
no.

2 cards, one pci connector

2 pcbs = 2 cards

1 pcb = 1 card

its a cheap trick tbh. 2 cards, 1 pci-e merging bridge

Well not really...a PCB comprises of a number of layers, each of those layers can be known as "PCB's" so technically you could argue that there is no such thing as a "single" PCB

Tatty_Two · Feb 28, 2008

wolf said:
you tell yourself whatever you have to, to make yourself feel better about ATi's lower performance.

alls i see is 8800 > 2900/3800, and thats that.

You forgot to mention what a HUGE performance increase the HD3870 was over the 2900XT and how it took 4 driver releases for the 2900XT to reach it's full potential or even the fact that the HD3870 was actually released without any "official" driver support whatsoever....ohhhhh and that in the current top 5 performing cards on the market ATi only has one of them......but thats OK we all know that ATi cards always perform better because they have better architecture and better initial driver support.

Sorry, I got a bit carried away there, I have just ordered a 3870x2 by the way before anyone points the :rockout:

and calls me an NVidia fanboi, I just like to tell it the way my twisted mind sees it, I for one am wrong at times but a rant here and there usually makes one feel sooo much better

candle_86 · Feb 28, 2008

well said tatty

kylew · Feb 28, 2008

Tatty_One said:
You forgot to mention what a HUGE performance increase the HD3870 was over the 2900XT and how it took 4 driver releases for the 2900XT to reach it's full potential or even the fact that the HD3870 was actually released without any "official" driver support whatsoever....ohhhhh and that in the current top 5 performing cards on the market ATi only has one of them......but thats OK we all know that ATi cards always perform better because they have better architecture and better initial driver support.

Sorry, I got a bit carried away there, I have just ordered a 3870x2 by the way before anyone points the and calls me an NVidia fanboi, I just like to tell it the way my twisted mind sees it, I for one am wrong at times but a rant here and there usually makes one feel sooo much better

At least you try cards and don't just call fail and quote BS *cough^*. Fanbois don't deviate from their "piece of ass". Have fun with your 3870X2, I've just ordered one my self :rockout:

jbunch07 · Feb 28, 2008

anyone seen a 3870x2 for less than $449?, going to buy one soon also... but thats the cheapest ive seen them.

candle_86 · Feb 28, 2008

ive tried ATI before myself.

9600pro died

9800pro died after 2 years, just started artifacting for no reason

x800GTO died, artifacting no apperant reason

at least when i had an Nvidia card die, i knew why, i never did oc an ATI card

MX440 pushed to high

FX5200 pushed to high with voltmod

FX5900XT pushed to high

6600 256mb Pushed to high with voltmod

das müffin mann · Feb 28, 2008

jbunch07 said:
anyone seen a 3870x2 for less than $449?, going to buy one soon also... but thats the cheapest ive seen them.

thats about the cheapest you will find them new, until (this is my prediction) the price goes down after the 9800x2 is released

mandelore · Feb 28, 2008

Tatty_One said:
Well not really...a PCB comprises of a number of layers, each of those layers can be known as "PCB's" so technically you could argue that there is no such thing as a "single" PCB

yeah, but their classed as multi-layer pcb's, technically one functional pcb

jbunch07 · Feb 28, 2008

das müffin mann said:
thats about the cheapest you will find them new, until (this is my prediction) the price goes down after the 9800x2 is released

hmm i was thinkin the same thing makes me wonder if i should wait till the gx2 comes out or just go ahead and get one...its really hard to wait though...

das müffin mann · Feb 28, 2008

im thinking they will lower the price the night before like they did for the 3870/50, i know im waiting to see, maybe a $50 reduction?

mandelore · Feb 28, 2008

i know the 3870x2 is awfully tempting, but i think its gonna be obsolete and is more of a stopgap till the nxt gen architecture comes out. Im waiting on a dually HD4000 card.
Till then my trusty 2900xt will see me right

jbunch07 · Feb 28, 2008

yea thats what i was thinking, but if the gx2 costs more than 449 then they prob wont drop the price to much if any, does anyone know the actually retail price for the gx2?

das müffin mann · Feb 28, 2008

mid $600 ish

jbunch07 · Feb 28, 2008

das müffin mann said:
mid $600 ish

dang, if thats the case then they wont need to drop the price of the x2, would be nice if they did though

das müffin mann · Feb 28, 2008

ya though if they did they would make it a much more attractive offer, but atm ati will have the best price vs. performance advatage with about a $200 difference

jbunch07 · Feb 28, 2008

very true!, and if the gx2 does outperform the x2 then maybe that will promote them to start development on the 4000 series...

Tatty_Two · Feb 28, 2008

mandelore said:
yeah, but their classed as multi-layer pcb's, technically one functional pcb

I was kind of hoping you wouldnt say that, I knew my argument was flawed!

Tatty_Two · Feb 28, 2008

candle_86 said:
ive tried ATI before myself.

9600pro died

9800pro died after 2 years, just started artifacting for no reason

x800GTO died, artifacting no apperant reason

at least when i had an Nvidia card die, i knew why, i never did oc an ATI card

MX440 pushed to high

FX5200 pushed to high with voltmod

FX5900XT pushed to high

6600 256mb Pushed to high with voltmod

I have to say, despite my comments in the post above, I have owned more NVidia cards than ATI but I have never had a prob with ATi in all honesty and tthe 850XT and 1800XT were without doubt at the time of their release, some of the best cards ever made IMO.

wolf · Feb 29, 2008

Tatty_One said:
.but thats OK we all know that ATi cards always perform better because they have better architecture and better initial driver support.

again, whatever you guys need to tell yourselfs.... its your opinion that the architecture is better.

the FPS results speak for themselves.

kylew said:
At least you try cards and don't just call fail and quote BS *cough^*. Fanbois don't deviate from their "piece of ass".

speaking about anyone in particular?

and to throw out any suspicions of fanboyism, i have owned a few ATi cards (9200, 9800Pro, X1950Pro), all of which i loved dearly, but this time, NV wins guys come on.

das müffin mann · Feb 29, 2008

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