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First of all, my purpose for building an AMD PC is for testing, so thermals are the most important factor, followed by performance. I want to build an AMD PC that is a similar as I can make it to my Intel PC.
Whichever CPU, mobo and RAM I buy should be as similar as possible to the 12700K, Asus TG H670 Pro Wifi D4 and Patriot Viper Steel 2x32GB 3600 MT/s CL18. As a note, my CPU doesn't seem to much care for being OC'd, and it doesn't take much to cause it to get so hot that performance declines rather than increasing.
AM4 is going to cost me less, but then I won't have a computer that can handle future improvements via PCIe gen 5 devices and whatever else AM5 has that AM4 doesn't. It seems like if I want something on a similar footing to the above, I need either the 5900X or 7900X, and an X mobo, preferably ASRock as I have a sour taste in my mouth from MSI repeatedly saying they're going to pay the rebate they owe me from last Black Friday (but don't), Asus poor customer care (although THEY promptly paid my rebate no problems!) and, well, heck, those two and Gigabyte have poor customer care from what I've experienced and heard. Why an X mobo? Well, I have 4 SSDs in my current PC, so it only seems right to be able to have 4 in the AMD PC (although it's not required) plus whatever other benefits X offers.
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TL;DR: If everything goes all screwy, I will use this info for next year or later when I can safely make these purchases.
Explanation: Secondly, my situation is complicated because, frankly, Amazon and their workers comp company (a really scumbag company) Sedgwick, are making things difficult in the most subtle gaslighting manner that they can pull (unfortunately for them, I'm wise to Amazon's manipulations and deceit). I could be put on a 1-year medical leave at any moment, I've just had to fire the lawyer I hired to sue Sedgwick for refusing to help me with my work injury and he was obstructing the progress of my case, and there are other things, like the election. I could, very soon but probably December, find myself on a limited budget. Assuming all goes well, I'll buy the CPU, mobo and RAM during Black Friday. I do NOT buy from my employer as I'm fed up with their unethical and sometimes illegal treatment of employees, so if anyone has suggestions as to which vendors are the best to go to to get great deals, that would be helpful. I will most likely shop at NewEgg and MicroCenter if I don't find anything better.
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I already have 2 other ATX cases but they aren't big enough, so I must buy something that is comparable in size to my Corsair 5000X because I'll be testing large air and 360mm water CPU coolers, which is fairly easily accomplished in my 5000X.
However, this brings to mind questions, some of which are complicated, and I'm frankly not sure, especially because I've almost completely ignored AMD for 25 years. I ask that everyone answer the questions they definitely can and leave the rest for others to answer, and please let's stay on topic (which is as hard for me as it is for some other people LOL!).
Do not worry about coolers and fans, of which I have so many, or a PSU, as I have an EVGA 850 GQ Gold.
You may want to use PC Parts Picker, Pangoly, CPU Upgrade, Logical Increments, Choose My PC, MySetup.co, PC-Kombo, PCspecs, or BuildMyPC.
If you don't mind the risk of the apparent malware/spyware resident in the Capitol One Shopping extension, you can use that to shop Amazon and beat their prices. It infects any Chromium browsers, but I'm not sure what it does other than apparently spying. Again, I will NEVER buy on Amazon.
The Case Questions
Lights and color don't matter, but it must have USB 3.x and USB 3.x C gen 2 on the I/O panel; max air cooler height >=170mm; >=340mm GC (vertical mount isn't important unless it actually gives the card breathing room); and can hold the thickest 360mm rad complete with 30mm fans in front rad (my thickest is currently the LF3: 63mm); and is compatible with an ATX mobo. If also prefer that it's not difficult to work in. Most other things I'm flexible on, aside from the fact that it should be similar to the Corsair 5000X but not significantly larger or smaller than the 5000X, though, just because some AIOs have really short tubes.
The reason I chose X mobos is because my H670 Pro has 4 slots and I'm trying to keep the two builds as similar as possible.
Did I miss anything? Thank you!
Whichever CPU, mobo and RAM I buy should be as similar as possible to the 12700K, Asus TG H670 Pro Wifi D4 and Patriot Viper Steel 2x32GB 3600 MT/s CL18. As a note, my CPU doesn't seem to much care for being OC'd, and it doesn't take much to cause it to get so hot that performance declines rather than increasing.
AM4 is going to cost me less, but then I won't have a computer that can handle future improvements via PCIe gen 5 devices and whatever else AM5 has that AM4 doesn't. It seems like if I want something on a similar footing to the above, I need either the 5900X or 7900X, and an X mobo, preferably ASRock as I have a sour taste in my mouth from MSI repeatedly saying they're going to pay the rebate they owe me from last Black Friday (but don't), Asus poor customer care (although THEY promptly paid my rebate no problems!) and, well, heck, those two and Gigabyte have poor customer care from what I've experienced and heard. Why an X mobo? Well, I have 4 SSDs in my current PC, so it only seems right to be able to have 4 in the AMD PC (although it's not required) plus whatever other benefits X offers.
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TL;DR: If everything goes all screwy, I will use this info for next year or later when I can safely make these purchases.
Explanation: Secondly, my situation is complicated because, frankly, Amazon and their workers comp company (a really scumbag company) Sedgwick, are making things difficult in the most subtle gaslighting manner that they can pull (unfortunately for them, I'm wise to Amazon's manipulations and deceit). I could be put on a 1-year medical leave at any moment, I've just had to fire the lawyer I hired to sue Sedgwick for refusing to help me with my work injury and he was obstructing the progress of my case, and there are other things, like the election. I could, very soon but probably December, find myself on a limited budget. Assuming all goes well, I'll buy the CPU, mobo and RAM during Black Friday. I do NOT buy from my employer as I'm fed up with their unethical and sometimes illegal treatment of employees, so if anyone has suggestions as to which vendors are the best to go to to get great deals, that would be helpful. I will most likely shop at NewEgg and MicroCenter if I don't find anything better.
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I already have 2 other ATX cases but they aren't big enough, so I must buy something that is comparable in size to my Corsair 5000X because I'll be testing large air and 360mm water CPU coolers, which is fairly easily accomplished in my 5000X.
However, this brings to mind questions, some of which are complicated, and I'm frankly not sure, especially because I've almost completely ignored AMD for 25 years. I ask that everyone answer the questions they definitely can and leave the rest for others to answer, and please let's stay on topic (which is as hard for me as it is for some other people LOL!).
Do not worry about coolers and fans, of which I have so many, or a PSU, as I have an EVGA 850 GQ Gold.
You may want to use PC Parts Picker, Pangoly, CPU Upgrade, Logical Increments, Choose My PC, MySetup.co, PC-Kombo, PCspecs, or BuildMyPC.
If you don't mind the risk of the apparent malware/spyware resident in the Capitol One Shopping extension, you can use that to shop Amazon and beat their prices. It infects any Chromium browsers, but I'm not sure what it does other than apparently spying. Again, I will NEVER buy on Amazon.
The Case Questions
Lights and color don't matter, but it must have USB 3.x and USB 3.x C gen 2 on the I/O panel; max air cooler height >=170mm; >=340mm GC (vertical mount isn't important unless it actually gives the card breathing room); and can hold the thickest 360mm rad complete with 30mm fans in front rad (my thickest is currently the LF3: 63mm); and is compatible with an ATX mobo. If also prefer that it's not difficult to work in. Most other things I'm flexible on, aside from the fact that it should be similar to the Corsair 5000X but not significantly larger or smaller than the 5000X, though, just because some AIOs have really short tubes.
- Would it be better for me to find a different type of (e)ATX case, maybe a terrarium? I don't feel like it would be a good idea since the differences would potentially really throw off results in comparison to the 5000X. I also wouldn't mind getting one (<$100) at some point, so here are some possibilities:
- Gamemax Infinity BK Black USB3.0 /Type C Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower $61.94, free S&H
- Bgears b-Pellucid ATX Black $69, free S&H
- Sama Neview 2351 Black $85, free S&H
- Here are several I think meet my needs and are <$100. Does anyone have any suggestions? Here are some possiblities:
- Antec Performance Series P20C White $70, free S&H
- GAMEMAX Leader TG Black Full $76, free S&H
Cooler Master MasterBox 600 ATX White Mid-Tower, $95 (minus $15 promo code), free S&H (max rad thickness 27mm)- NZXT (old pre-2023? version) H7 Flow White & Black $82+$3 S&H
- NZXT H Series H7 (2023) Elite Edition ATX Mid Tower $90, free S&H
- be quiet! Shadow Base 800 $94, free S&H
- be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower $95, free S&H
- Cooler Master HAF 500 H500-WGNN-S00 $98, free S&H
- NZXT H Series H5 Flow 2024 Edition ATX $95+$4 S&H
- LIAN LI LANCOOL 216RW White $99, free S&H
- LIAN LI LANCOOL 216RX $99, free S&H
- be quiet! Pure Base 500 FX ATX used $99, free S&H
- COUGAR DuoFace Pro RGB White $99, free S&H
- Do you know of another?
- Keeping in mind that this is for thermal testing and I need a CPU that is as similar to a 12700K as possible, should I get a 5900X, a 7900X or something else? I understand that PCIe gen 5 is going to be a big thing in the future, so perhaps the 7900X would be better despite the hundreds of extra dollars I'll need?
- I know I've stated that I want to aim for comparable results between AMD and Intel, but would it be strongly worthwhile for me to get a newer, hot AMD CPU, considering that only a minority of people would have those? I don't feel like it would, given the small number of people it would help, and people should be able to extrapolate from older CPUs how a cooler will work on a newer one...In theory!
- Are test results from actual CPUs OR from a dummy heat source that could be ramped up to as high a temperature as the hottest OC'd CPU can handle a better choice? Using a dummy heat source would certainly simplify some things for me, like not having to spend lots of money and needing space (and more parts) for two computers!
The reason I chose X mobos is because my H670 Pro has 4 slots and I'm trying to keep the two builds as similar as possible.
- I'm inclined to buy an ASRock mobo if I can find a really good X variant with 4 M.2 slots, since I'm told that there are no 4-slot B mobos. Is that correct? AND which ASRock mobos would be the best ones to consider?
- If you think ASROCK X mobos aren't a good idea, what would you suggest instead, and why?
- I understand that AM4 prefers 4 sticks but AM5 prefers 2. Is there any reason I shouldn't go with the RAM suggestions below?
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On DDR4 it was better with dual rank, which was generally easiest to obtain with 4x8GB compared to 2x16GB, though 2x16GB dual rank was still generally easier to use. On DDR5 you want to avoid 4 sticks if possible.
If you're going AM4, get some cheap 3200 CL16 kit as spending any more on RAM doesn't make sense. If you go DDR5, 6000 CL30 is usually the best value. - Is there any reason I shouldn't get 3600 MT/s or something else? My PC now has 3600 MT/s CL18 RAM.
- Is there any reason I shouldn't get 64GB? That's what I have now and, again, I'm trying to keep things as similar as I can.
- Is there any reason to look at single rank?
- Are there any other things I should be paying attention to for RAM?
Did I miss anything? Thank you!
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