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Hi there,

My son 14 would like to build a gaming computer (also happy to buy second hand if better value).
The budget is $1200. He has keyboard and mouse but doesn't have monitor.
We are in Melbourne, Australia.

Any help will be much appreciated as he is unaware of what specs etc to get.

Thanks in advance.
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Does the $1200 budget include shipping and operating system?
 
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You'll have to convert to AU dollars, but these are all pretty decent.

 
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$1200 is a fairly tight budget for a gaming rig, particularly if buying new. If going Windows 10 route for the OS, you're looking at around $160+ for Home Edition. Postage could add $50.

To help narrow down the specs, what games does he like play or is looking forward to playing?
 

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$1200 is a fairly tight budget for a gaming rig, particularly if buying new. If going Windows 10 route for the OS, you're looking at around $160+ for Home Edition. Postage could add $50.

To help narrow down the specs, what games does he like play or is looking forward to playing?
He wants to play games like Apex, CSGO, rust and Ark.
 
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He wants to play games like Apex, CSGO, rust and Ark.

PC Case Gear - Shared Shopping Cart
1 x AMD Ryzen 3 2200G APU with Vega 8 Graphics - $155.00ea
1 x Gigabyte B450M DS3H Motherboard - $129.00ea
1 x Team T-Force Dark 3000MHz 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 Grey Black - $189.00ea
1 x Western Digital WD Blue 2TB WD20EZRZ - $85.00ea
1 x SilverStone Essential ET650-G Gold 650W Power Supply - $95.00ea
1 x Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 Gaming 8GB - $219.00ea
1 x Thermaltake Versa N27 Window Mid-Tower Chassis - $79.00ea
1 x Acer KG251Q FHD 75Hz FreeSync 25in Gaming Monitor - $179.00ea
1 x Microsoft Windows 10 Home 32bit/64bit USB Drive - $169.00ea
1 x Intel 760p Series M.2 NVMe SSD 256GB - $99.00ea
Total: $1,398.00 + Delivery


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DDR4
Not 100% sure on board compatibility, but it should right. Ryzen CPUs like speed, so 3000MHz should be fine. The below memory should be suitable as an alternative. Perhaps even drop down to an 2x4GB kit.
G.Skill Fortis F4-2400C15D-16GFT (2x8GB) Ryzen DDR4 - $169.00ea

Graphics Card
Only $20 more than the 4GB version of the RX570 below.
Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 Gaming 4GB - $189.00ea

Solid State Drive
The Intel 760p 256GB is a little more than the cheaper M.2 drives, but supports the NVMe protocol, which is much faster than SATA. SATA alternative below.
Crucial MX500 M.2 SATA SSD 250GB - $75.00ea

Hard Disk Drive
A 2TB HDD is only ~$20 more than 1TB drive, so why not double the capacity? If you're still trying to get the budget down, go the 1TB below.
Western Digital WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX - $59.00ea

Monitor
The Acer was chosen as it has a quick refresh time and supports FreeSync technology - both of which should help enhance the gaming experience. If not too important, some money can be saved here.
AOC E2470SWH FHD 24in Monitor - $145.00ea

If the budget could stretch a fair bit more, I'd look at swapping in these two components as they should see a decent boost in performance:
AMD Ryzen 5 2600 with Wraith Stealth - $259.00ea
Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 Gaming 8GB - $299.00ea

I used PC Case Gear as they have a few critical components on sale and their postage costs are reasonable. Furthermore, I find their after sales support top notch.

As always, do your own research and shop around, but this will hopefully give you an idea of what to look for.

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Check out gumtree for parts. I just did a quick search and found some pretty good deals on RX580's for $250 or so.
 
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/thread, really. Look no further. These are great suggestions, definitely the highest bang/buck factor.

The only thing you might want to focus on right now is the case. Thermaltake/CM... in the budget range of 60-100 bucks there is a massive amount of choice, and certainly also of higher quality. The options given aren't bad, but you can let preference weigh in here as well. Take a look at Phanteks, Fractal Design in particular.
 
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIADT25YT4824
HP z420 Tower Workstation Desktop PC, Intel Xeon E5-1620 3.6GHz, 16GB DDR3 RAM, 2TB HDD, Win-7 Pro x64, NVIDIA Quadro 2000

$350

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202327

Sapphire Radeon NITRO+ RX 590 8GB GDDR5 PCI-E Dual HDMI / DVI-D / Dual DP OC w/ Backplate SPECIAL EDITION (UEFI), 100415NT+8GSEL

$260


https://www.ebay.com/p/Intel-Xeon-E5-1660-3-3GHz-Six-Core-CM8062107284111-Processor/115946226

Intel Xeon E5-1660 3.3GHz Six Core

$107


https://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-WI...h=item4d882acf2c:g:CgAAAOSwV3dcLAnF:rk:1:pf:0

windows 10 pro

$4

Total $721

If that Z420 is a 2013 it will take a e5-1660v2 or 2690v2 ...thats alot of power...

just my 2 cents if you dont mind buying a few used pieces....
 
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIADT25YT4824
HP z420 Tower Workstation Desktop PC, Intel Xeon E5-1620 3.6GHz, 16GB DDR3 RAM, 2TB HDD, Win-7 Pro x64, NVIDIA Quadro 2000

$350

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202327

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$260


https://www.ebay.com/p/Intel-Xeon-E5-1660-3-3GHz-Six-Core-CM8062107284111-Processor/115946226

Intel Xeon E5-1660 3.3GHz Six Core

$107


https://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-WI...h=item4d882acf2c:g:CgAAAOSwV3dcLAnF:rk:1:pf:0

windows 10 pro

$4

Total $721

If that Z420 is a 2013 it will take a e5-1660v2 or 2690v2 ...thats alot of power...

just my 2 cents if you dont mind buying a few used pieces....
Geekbench=:slap::rolleyes::kookoo::roll:
Hp is proprietary parts, nope
 
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Why does proprietary parts matter? that is double the GPU and CPU power that will game great.....

ahhh...that is what you get for sharing your opinion...lol

I have built several HP z400 and Z420 Workstations I have also built several new rigs i3,i5,i7 older AMD's.
I sold every consumer rig custom rig and went all Xeon and X79 and X58 builds with a mixture of Z420's and Z400's...
Not looking back....I could have saved ALOT of money over the years.....
 
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Why does proprietary parts matter? that is double the GPU and CPU power that will game great.....

ahhh...that is what you get for sharing your opinion...lol

I have built several HP z400 and Z420 Workstations I have also built several new rigs i3,i5,i7 older AMD's.
I sold every consumer rig custom rig and went all Xeon and X79 and X58 builds with a mixture of Z420's and Z400's...
Not looking back....I could have saved ALOT of money over the years.....
Only gripe I have with the Z400/420 is that their 24pin molex connector (well, 18pin to be exact) on motherboard is proprietary thus you need an adapter if you get an aftermarket PSU. Otherwise, I agree, they are solid machines that can be had for cheap.
 
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Yes, built like a tank.
600w power supply with 90% rating is ok for most everything now.
there are alot of replacment parts out there..

anyhow, I dont want to start to argue...just posting what I have personally done on a budget. Built like 6 computers for the price of a 2....
 
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Will you be reusing peripherals from an older system ? And if so what resolution monitor ?

1. The think I try and highlight when doing initial build is pay less attention to things that are easily upgraded and more to those that are not. For example, not recommended to get 2 x 4Gb now as adding a second set of 2 x 4 GB later is a risky alternative. So best to get 2 x 8B from the getgo is always the best route.... but that's gonna cost you an extra $20.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product...gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3000-memory-bls2k8g4d30besbk

2. Micro ATX sometimes has a cost premium over ATX and often the Audio, LAN and other subsytems are compromised. For a box that will be used primarily for gaming, we recommend boards with AC 1220 audio subsystem. Unfortunatly, while in US, this might att $10 or $15, down under it can add $80 or so.

3. Of course an SSD is going to add a significant cost, usually $125 or more ... this is an item that is very easy to add later. With a 1 TB HD, that's gong to bring you to $180 or more. With games approaching a 100 GB foot print these days, that 500 GB SSD doesn't hold many games. Everything else goes on the HD which is slow. The SSHD is over 50% faster in gaming than a HD . a 1 TB drive will costs ya $85 down under, about $30 more than a HD. So ...

Option A - 500Gb SSD + 1TB SSHD will add $30 to your build cost for same capacity.

Option B - 500Gb SSD + 2TB SSHD will add $80 to your build cost for doube capacity.

Option C - Skip the 500Gb SSD for now, gran the 2 TB SSHD and add the SSD when budget allows (next B'day, XMas, chores whatever). This puts $45 back in your pocket, allowing you to gran that 2 x 8GB of RAM now and still have $20 left in ya pocket.

That extra $20 would also pay for a GFX card alternative to consider ... the 1060 6GB which may be of interest for various reasons ,,, figures below based upon MSI 580 mech and MSI 1060 Gaming

a) If you will use Afterburner to tweak your card speed a a bit, the reference 580 scores a 98 to 97 edge over the 1060 ... if you use AB to tweak the cards speeds, as most forum users do, you can boost the 580s score to110.4 whereas the 1060 6 GB will get to 114.7 so it is marginally (4%) faster wen tweaked.

b) The MSI 1060 uses 135 watts in peak Gaming, the 580 Mech is 197 .... 46% more on ya electric bill. At 20.5 cents a kw-hr (average Aussie rate) and 30 hours of gaming a week, that's $22.87 a year

4. Normally I'd say that ya might wanna invest an extra few bucks in a Mobo that doesn't come with a Realtek ALC887 audio chipset. Those that do the 1st person combat tell me that the 'sound radar" that allows you to detect source direction of fire "makes all the difference" ... however, down under, instead of the $10 extra we see, last time I looked at Aussie sources it was like 480.
 

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Hi guys,

thank you all for your input...most of it goes over my head though lol!

My son has now said he's going to keep the monitor he has and put a bit more money into other parts.
So he would have $1400 to spend, and does not need monitor.

Much appreciate all the support on this forum:)
 
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The australian prices make it a bit hard to give advice but in general.

A 2200G ryzen is nice, but he doesn't need ti Igpu (onboard videocard) seen how he's buying a descrete one. Seen the current 6core trend, games will probably in the future optimize for this. I'd try to buy a ryzen 2600

And if it's within budget, despite being an amd fan, buy the nvidia 1060. Sure as hell don't buy the AMD 570. At least the 580 if you want to be somewhat future proof

And buy a kit of 2 ram sticks, please. You have a lot more bandwith and especially if you do buy the 2200G, you're performance will appreciate the difference.

And for CS:GO this rig might be overkill. But if you buy a game pc or any pc for that matter, you have to think ahead. Plus, in my experience, if you have a fast pc, you will try demanding games. Especially in this age of free games.

Good luck with your buy

ps. For windows, look around on the internet, I don't know what the price are like over there, but the difference her is in normal shop windows pro e160, online windows pro e10.
 
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