[POLL] Windows Modern Standby

sam_86314 · Dec 3, 2022

This has been a big issue with my main laptop (2021 HP ENVY 13) since I got it; I close it and put it in a bag, and it's really warm and has a low battery when I pull it out. I also have problems where its fan will stay on when I close it, especially when plugged in.

I've looked through the BIOS, and this laptop doesn't have any options for reenabling S3 sleep. Forcefully disabling S0 in Windows will cause the laptop to stay entirely on when closed.

No, I don't want to use hibernate due to the slow wake time and extra wear on my SSD (though this isn't that big of a problem). I want a modern laptop with proper S3 support (maybe Framework?).

Both my Steam Deck and my Clevo W650 (15.6" laptop with a GTX 1050 Ti and a Coffee Lake CPU) have full S3 support, and I don't have any problems with the wake times of those. Neither device has any of the issues I mentioned.

LTT finally made a video addressing this problem with modern laptops. Here's hoping something might get done about it at some point (it won't).

3x0 · Dec 3, 2022

I have an older Kaby Lake laptop that only supports S3, no S0 support here..

DemonicRyzen666 · Dec 3, 2022

Wait "Stand by" is different from "Sleep" isn't it ?
as is "S3 Sleep" is ultra low power but still on.

sam_86314 · Dec 3, 2022

DemonicRyzen666 said:
Wait "Stand by" is different from "Sleep" isn't it ?
as is "S3 Sleep" is ultra low power but still on.

S3 sleep turns off everything but memory. Also known as "suspend to RAM."

Modern Standby (S0) keeps everything powered on but is supposed to put the CPU into a low-power state. This allows the laptop to do things like download updates and such while "asleep."

tabascosauz · Dec 3, 2022

I'm not too familiar with how Modern Standby works, I just know that Coffee Lake desktop and Kaby Lake-R laptop advertised support for it.

My XPS 13 9370 (funnily enough, similar just older generation of the one in the LTT video) is rarely used nowadays so it's just powered off. I had one notable oh-shit moment with my Kaby-R laptop (8550U) when I returned to it in the morning after it being in sleep overnight, only to find the entire laptop unresponsive and blazing hot (might have burned a finger or two and had to run it under some cold water). Ended up powering it off somehow and leaving to cool for the day, and taking it apart to check nothing was amiss under the hood, after which it worked just fine and never did it again.

I don't use laptops much anymore, grudgingly I feel similar to Linus about Windows. My previous 12" 5Y31 Macbook never gave me major problems. Except, because I'm not much a fan or user of laptops anymore, I'd be looking at an iPad Air/Pro instead of a Macbook.

P4-630 · Dec 3, 2022

My laptop is either on or off...

System Name	Space Heater MKIV
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard	ASRock B550 Taichi
Cooling	Noctua NH-U14S, 3x Noctua NF-A14s
Memory	2x32GB Team T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4-3600 C18 1.35V
Video Card(s)	PowerColor RX 6800 XT Red Devil (2150MHz, 240W PL)
Storage	2TB WD SN850X, 4x1TB Crucial MX500 (striped array), LG WH16NS40 BD-RE
Display(s)	Dell S3422DWG (34" 3440x1440 144Hz)
Case	Phanteks Enthoo Pro M
Audio Device(s)	Edifier R1700BT, Samson SR850
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x, CyberPower CST135XLU
Mouse	Logitech MX Master 3
Keyboard	Glorious GMMK 2 96%
Software	Windows 10 LTSC 2021, Linux Mint

Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard	MSI MPG B550I Gaming Edge Wi-Fi ITX
Cooling	Scythe Fuma 2 rev. B Noctua NF-A12x25 Edition
Memory	2x16GiB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4 3200Mb/s CL14 F4-3200C14D-32GTZKW
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Radeon RX6600XT Gaming OC Pro 8G Noctua NF-A12x25 Edition
Storage	Western Digital Black SN850 WDS100T1X0E-00AFY0 1TiB, Western Digital Blue 3D WDS200T2B0A 2TiB
Display(s)	Dell G2724D 27" IPS 1440P 165Hz, ASUS VG259QM 25” IPS 1080P 240Hz
Case	Cooler Master NR200P ITX
Audio Device(s)	Altec Lansing 220, HyperX Cloud
Power Supply	Seasonic Focus SGX 500W SFX
Mouse	Lamzu Atlantis Mini Wireless
Keyboard	HyperX Alloy Origins Aqua

System Name	S.L.I + RTX research rig
Processor	Ryzen 7 5800X 3D.
Motherboard	MSI MEG ACE X570
Cooling	Corsair H150i Cappellx
Memory	Corsair Vengeance pro RGB 3200mhz 16Gbs
Video Card(s)	2x Dell RTX 2080 Ti in S.L.I
Storage	Western digital Sata 6.0 SDD 500gb + fanxiang S660 4TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2
Display(s)	HP X24i
Case	Corsair 7000D Airflow
Power Supply	EVGA G+1600watts
Mouse	Corsair Scimitar
Keyboard	Cosair K55 Pro RGB

System Name	Space Heater MKIV
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard	ASRock B550 Taichi
Cooling	Noctua NH-U14S, 3x Noctua NF-A14s
Memory	2x32GB Team T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4-3600 C18 1.35V
Video Card(s)	PowerColor RX 6800 XT Red Devil (2150MHz, 240W PL)
Storage	2TB WD SN850X, 4x1TB Crucial MX500 (striped array), LG WH16NS40 BD-RE
Display(s)	Dell S3422DWG (34" 3440x1440 144Hz)
Case	Phanteks Enthoo Pro M
Audio Device(s)	Edifier R1700BT, Samson SR850
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x, CyberPower CST135XLU
Mouse	Logitech MX Master 3
Keyboard	Glorious GMMK 2 96%
Software	Windows 10 LTSC 2021, Linux Mint

Processor	5800X3D \| 5700G \| 6900HS
Motherboard	ROG Impact \| B550-I Strix \| GA402RJ
Memory	32GB 3733CL14 \| 16GB 4333CL16 \| 16GB 4800CL40
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle \| RTX A2000 \| 680M + RX 6700S
Storage	8TB of SSDs \| 1TB SN550 \| 1TB 2450
Case	Caselabs S3 \| Lone Industries L5 \| Zephyrus G14
Power Supply	Corsair HX1000 \| HDPlex + Dell

[POLL] Windows Modern Standby

Have you had issues with Windows Modern Standby (battery drain, laptop gets warm when asleep, etc)

Yes

No

My laptop supports S3 sleep (please list model)

sam_86314

3x0

DemonicRyzen666

sam_86314

tabascosauz

Moderator

P4-630

System Name	AlderLake / Laptop
Processor	Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz / Intel i3 7100U
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master / HP 83A3 (U3E1)
Cooling	Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans / Fan
Memory	32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MHz CL36 / 8GB DDR4 HyperX CL13
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio / Intel HD620
Storage	Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2 / Samsung 256GB M.2 SSD
Display(s)	23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p / 14" 1080p IPS Glossy
Case	Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window / HP Pavilion
Audio Device(s)	Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533
Power Supply	Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W / Powerbrick
Mouse	Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless / Logitech M330 wireless
Keyboard	RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless / HP backlit
Software	Windows 11 / Windows 10
Benchmark Scores	Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock