Possible i7 Comp?

AM4A1 · May 20, 2009

Help with AMD Build

hey guys, i was wondering if a $800 budget can build a i7 comp? i'm thinking of getting a new comp because the comp that I have now has this restarting issue, it would randomly restart by itself. for example, if I'm playing a game, it would sometimes restart, this happens a lot. and I can't seem to bring down the cpu temp, I purchased a cooler instead of using the stock cooler and it's still around the high 50's to the early 60's.

anyways, I'm just wondering what my options would be.. i would re-use the psu that i already have, and possibly the cd/dvd drive, the hard drives, and i don't need a operating system. i won't be overclocking or anything like that. this comp would be used for everyday task and also some gaming, like counter-strike, DOTA, and for starcraft 2, as well as converting videos. thanks for the help.

and btw, I live in the US, and about the moniter, it could be included in the build but it's probably not do-able with such a tight budget, the $800 is just an estimate, I'll re-calculate the money issue after I see what can you guys make, once again, thank you.

UPDATE:

re-thinking about my budget and the idea of power vs. cost, i think i might head over to the AMD side, however i have no idea where to start. i think i will be getting the 940 with a GTX-260 perhaps. any builds for a $800 budget? i would also need a new case. thanks for the help guys.

SundM001 · May 20, 2009

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375 MOBO $200

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104092 DDR3 RAM $170

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130469 Graphics $150

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0302727 CPU $200

thats $720.00 USD not including tax and shipping. you could go with less but this is just an example. Just search around. Newegg is good, but Microcenter cas the i7 920 for $200.00 USD

MRCL · May 20, 2009

For light gaming, this should do also:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131155 $100

Makes $670 with the other stuff Sund picked out, there's still money for a monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236056 $120

Darren · May 20, 2009

AM4A1 said:
hey guys, i was wondering if a $800 budget can build a i7 comp? i'm thinking of getting a new comp because the comp that I have now has this restarting issue, it would randomly restart by itself. for example, if I'm playing a game, it would sometimes restart, this happens a lot. and I can't seem to bring down the cpu temp, I purchased a cooler instead of using the stock cooler and it's still around the high 50's to the early 60's.

anyways, I'm just wondering what my options would be.. i would re-use the psu that i already have, and possibly the cd/dvd drive, the hard drives, and i don't need a operating system. i won't be overclocking or anything like that. this comp would be used for everyday task and also some gaming, like counter-strike, DOTA, and for starcraft 2, as well as converting videos. thanks for the help.

and btw, I live in the US, and about the moniter, it could be included in the build but it's probably not do-able with such a tight budget, the $800 is just an estimate, I'll re-calculate the money issue after I see what can you guys make, once again, thank you.

Please do not re-use the PSU, your Pentium 4 is probably a decade old, that is far too old to be powering up today’s components. I am not saying it will not work but do not risk blowing your $800 build because you were too stubborn to spend $40-60 on a new PSU.

How future proof does this rig have to be?

You mention Star Craft, that is undoubtedly going to be a demanding game! Which will take priority converting videos or gaming? Because the AMD Phenom II route will save you money which could be put onto a much better video card such as the 4890, 4870 X2, GTX 295 etc. But the Intel I7 route would be good for video encoding but leave less budget for a top video card.

Edit:

BarbaricSoul said:
He has a Corsair 620HX, wtf you talking about? That's only THE BEST psu available. You guys really need to fully read someone's post before giving advice. Replace a Corsair 620HX, pfffffffft, yeah right.

I did not realise that he had an Corsair 620HX, I presumed that he was using a one from when the rig was built.

BarbaricSoul · May 20, 2009

Please do not re-use the PSU, your Pentium 4 is probably a decade old, that is far too old to be powering up today’s components. I am not saying it will not work but do not risk blowing your $800 build because you were too stubborn to spend $40-60 on a new PSU.

He has a Corsair 620HX, wtf you talking about? That's only THE BEST psu available. :slap:

You guys really need to fully read someone's post before giving advice. Replace a Corsair 620HX, pfffffffft, yeah right. :laugh:

Here's my suggestions for a I7 build(if you can get the CPU from microcenter, do that, save yourself $80)-

GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130464
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
Mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128374
RAM- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211377

PaulieG · May 20, 2009

BarbaricSoul said:
He has a Corsair 620HX, wtf you talking about? That's only THE BEST psu available. You guys really need to fully read someone's post before giving advice. Replace a Corsair 620HX, pfffffffft, yeah right.

Here's my suggestions for a I7 build-

GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130464
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
Mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128374
RAM- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211377

I have to agree to a point. That Corsair PSU will by fine for now. However, once you start overclocking and add SLI or crossfire, then you are getting close to maxing out even the 620HX. If you don't plan to do SLI/Crossfire, and/or don't plan on pushing the chip too far, you'll be more than fine.

BarbaricSoul · May 20, 2009

Paulieg said:
I have to agree to a point. That Corsair PSU will by fine for now. However, once you start overclocking and add SLI or crossfire, then you are getting close to maxing out even the 620HX. If you don't plan to do SLI/Crossfire, and/or don't plan on pushing the chip too far, you'll be more than fine.

Oh, I agree with you Paulieg, for SLI or crossfire, he's gonna need a stronger PSU. That would have to be in the future though for a $800 build.

yogurt_21 · May 20, 2009

Darren said:
I did not realise that he had an Corsair 620HX, I presumed that he was using a one from when the rig was built.

now why couldn't you have said assumed instead? then I could make the ass coment. lol

I agree with barbarics picks save for the memory and gpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231247
memory better timing and voltage
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500087
gpu 216 shaders vs 192 in the evga

though getting the i7 920 from microcenter would save you 80$ which is 10% of your budget. but I've never purchase from them so i don't know about reliability.

edit: checking out your monitor it seems a bigger one would suit you better.

So i would go with the i7 920 from microcenter 200$
mem above 95$ gpu above 170$ (145$ after rebate) and then drop the board down to the one below.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186170
180$ that brings you to 645$ before tax (only from microcenter if they have an office in NY, newegg does not so you do not have to pay tax on those items) and shipping.
then you could get a decent monitor with whats left. may I suggest http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112013 since your already have a sceptre and are probabaly happy with it. totals to 775$ (before the 25$ rebate if you send that in it'll be 750$) which is pretty dang close but you could drop to a 19" monitor at the same resolution and save 10$ there.

Paintface · May 20, 2009

no reason to go the i7 road if you are using your rig for gaming, get a phenom 2 720 x3 with a 4770, it will run anything you throw at it.

PaulieG · May 20, 2009

Paintface said:
no reason to go the i7 road if you are using your rig for gaming, get a phenom 2 720 x3 with a 4770, it will run anything you throw at it.

You do bring up a good point here. If you are just gaming, you may want to consider Phenom II. The cost is considerably lower (say $50-$100 less for MB,CPU and DDR3 combo). I had a couple of PII 940 chips, and except for i7, it is the best platform IMHO. If I was to go AMD though, I'd go with a 940 or 955.

Now, if you are trying to get the best platform available, then i7 is where it's at, and is reasonably affordable considering the performance.

Darren · May 20, 2009

yogurt_21 said:
now why couldn't you have said assumed instead? then I could make the ass coment. lol

Because the majority of his hardware is extremely old so I thought he was one of those guys that never upgrades. The type of people that own Corsair 620HX tend to have the latest hardware not a rusty P4.

AM4A1 · May 20, 2009

Darren said:
Because the majority of his hardware is extremely old so I thought he was one of those guys that never upgrades. The type of people that own Corsair 620HX tend to have the latest hardware not a rusty P4.

yea, sorry for the confusion, in the past, i thought i didn't have enough power and thought that was causing the random restarts, so i upgraded my power supply to the Corsair 620HX.

Paintface said:
no reason to go the i7 road if you are using your rig for gaming, get a phenom 2 720 x3 with a 4770, it will run anything you throw at it.

Paulieg said:
You do bring up a good point here. If you are just gaming, you may want to consider Phenom II. The cost is considerably lower (say $50-$100 less for MB,CPU and DDR3 combo). I had a couple of PII 940 chips, and except for i7, it is the best platform IMHO. If I was to go AMD though, I'd go with a 940 or 955.

Now, if you are trying to get the best platform available, then i7 is where it's at, and is reasonably affordable considering the performance.

re-thinking about my budget and the idea of power vs. cost, i think i might head over to the AMD side, however i have no idea where to start. i think i will be getting the 940 with a GTX-260 perhaps. any builds for a $800 budget? i would also need a new case. thanks for the help guys.

PaulieG · May 20, 2009

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128378
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500087
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211364

Cases decisions are very personal and subjective, so I didn't include one.

fire2havoc · May 20, 2009

Darren said:
Please do not re-use the PSU, your Pentium 4 is probably a decade old, that is far too old to be powering up today’s components. I am not saying it will not work but do not risk blowing your $800 build because you were too stubborn to spend $40-60 on a new PSU.

The Corsair 620HX is a great unit and will provide plenty of power.

SundM001 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375 MOBO $200

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104092 DDR3 RAM $170

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130469 Graphics $150

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0302727 CPU $200

thats $720.00 USD not including tax and shipping. you could go with less but this is just an example. Just search around. Newegg is good, but Microcenter cas the i7 920 for $200.00 USD

Go with this 6GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 kit instead for $95.

I would also go with the cheaper (and better) Radeon 4850 for $110.

AM4A1 · May 21, 2009

ok, i'm not into the i7 build no more, thanks for all those who helped. :respect:

i decided to go towards the AMD side.

i currently decided on the following items:

CPU
GPU1 or GPU2
MOBO
CASE

not sure which RAM to get.

Paulieg recommended the A-DATA

how is it so far? is everything ok?

Paintface · May 21, 2009

you picked the AM3 version of the 790x

this is the correct AM2+ version

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128387

i also just noticed you picked ddr3 ram .... to be honest save the money, get the 940, AM2 board and DDR2 ram

the DDR2 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

the above i build for my bro and works great together....

should you really want to go the AM3 DDR3 way remember you need a AM3 cpu , namely the 955

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674

along with the mobo you posted

and following DDR3 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231189

AM4A1 · May 21, 2009

Paintface said:
you picked the AM3 version of the 790x

this is the correct AM2+ version

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128387

i also just noticed you picked ddr3 ram .... to be honest save the money, get the 940, AM2 board and DDR2 ram

the DDR2 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

the above i build for my bro and works great together....

should you really want to go the AM3 DDR3 way remember you need a AM3 cpu , namely the 955

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674

along with the mobo you posted

and following DDR3 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231189

oh wow, thank god i let someone checked it, btw what is the difference between AM3 and AM2+?

Paintface · May 21, 2009

thats not a straight cut question. cause its important to specify if you talk about mobos or cpus when talking about AM2/AM3

Athlon , phenom 1 , and models 920/940 only of phenom 2 are AM2+ <-- these support DDR2 only

All the other phenom 2s are AM3 <--- these support DDR2 and DDR3

AM2 mainboards are DDR2 only, that means they accept AM2 cpus and AM3 cpus

AM3 mainboards only support DDR3 , that means only AM3 cpus fit in

So you have the following setups that i would advise to get

Phenom 940 + 790x AM2 mobo + ddr2 ram

or

phenom 955 + 790x am3 mobo + ddr3 ram

The difference in performance is give or take 5% depending on what apps or games.

You have to decide for yourself if the extra cost is worth the few %, but remember both rock and will last you 2 years easely for gaming, both will OC to 3.4ghz on stock voltage 100% . And both are as good or as bad for upgrading , since you will be using it for 2 years i hope , the next upgrade will be a new cpu/mobo/ram altogether.

Cant go wrong either way, but if you save some money and go the AM2/940/ddr2 way , you can spent the money saved on a kickass 4890 that will give alot more than the 5% diff increase in speed compared to the AM3 setup with 260gtx.

i hope this cleared it up

n-ster · May 21, 2009

AM4A1 said:
i won't be overclocking or anything like that.

umm... I suggest you do...

for example, an i7 would suck ass in empire total war compared to a 3.2 ghz Dual core lol...

How serious are you about gaming?

AM4A1 · May 21, 2009

Paintface said:
You have to decide for yourself if the extra cost is worth the few %, but remember both rock and will last you 2 years easely for gaming, both will OC to 3.4ghz on stock voltage 100% . And both are as good or as bad for upgrading , since you will be using it for 2 years i hope , the next upgrade will be a new cpu/mobo/ram altogether.

Cant go wrong either way, but if you save some money and go the AM2/940/ddr2 way , you can spent the money saved on a kickass 4890 that will give alot more than the 5% diff increase in speed compared to the AM3 setup with 260gtx.

i hope this cleared it up

thanks for clearing up the AM2+ and AM3. when you mention the 2 years, are you saying that in 2 years, i will need to upgrade again? because my brothers will be using the computer as well, so i planned on keeping it for like 3-4 years, that's probably a stretch or something..

so here's what i got so far..

CPU + MOBO
GPU, the Zotac one is sold out.
RAM
CASE

AM4A1 · May 21, 2009

n-ster said:
umm... I suggest you do... for example, an i7 would suck ass in empire total war compared to a 3.2 ghz Dual core lol...

How serious are you about gaming?

i switched my mind, i no longer want the i7 build. i will get the AMD Phenom II 940 build.

n-ster · May 21, 2009

AM4A1 said:
i switched my mind, i no longer want the i7 build. i will get the AMD Phenom II 940 build.

I know... I was juust giving an example... basically what I am saying is... OVERCLOCK

fire2havoc · May 21, 2009

AM4A1 said:
thanks for clearing up the AM2+ and AM3. when you mention the 2 years, are you saying that in 2 years, i will need to upgrade again? because my brothers will be using the computer as well, so i planned on keeping it for like 3-4 years, that's probably a stretch or something..

so here's what i got so far..

CPU + MOBO
GPU, the Zotac one is sold out.
RAM
CASE

Looks good.

AM4A1 · May 21, 2009

fire2havoc said:
Looks good.

that's great to know, does anyone know good brands for 120mm case fans? i'm planning to get 1-2 more for the case.

AM4A1 · May 21, 2009

n-ster said:
I know... I was juust giving an example... basically what I am saying is... OVERCLOCK

i probably wouldn't overclock, i have no idea what to do. since i'm not gonna overclock, would the stock cooler be good enough?

Processor	Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Motherboard	MSI PM8M-V (MS-7104 v1)
Cooling	Thermaltake TR2 M12 A4012-02
Memory	2X512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-4-4-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-4-4-7 @ 166 MHz)
Video Card(s)	RADEON 9250 (128 MB)
Storage	Maxtor 6L100P0, WDC WD800BB-22JHC0, Maxtor 6Y160P0, WDC WD4000AAJS-00YFA0
Display(s)	Sceptre X5S-Naga
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC655 @ VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio Controller
Power Supply	Corsair HX620W (CMPSU-620HX)
Software	Windows XP Professional 32-Bit

System Name	Electronic Joyride
Processor	Intel Core i7 3820 at stock speed
Motherboard	Asus X79 Pro
Cooling	Corsair H80
Memory	4X4Gb Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s)	EVGA GTX 580
Storage	OCZ Vortex 120Gb SSD/Kingston SSDNow 64Gb Cache/WD Caviar Black 7200 1TB
Display(s)	LG Electronics Flatron E2360 LED
Case	Coolermaster Trooper
Audio Device(s)	Onboard Realtek HD
Power Supply	PC Power and Cooling Silencer 950w
Software	Windows 7 Home Premium 64

System Name	Fractality 1.0
Processor	Intel Core i7-860 @ 3.6GHz
Motherboard	EVGA P55 SLI
Cooling	Prolimatech Megahalems and four Fractal Design 120mm fans, sleeved
Memory	16GB Kingston Hyper RAM
Video Card(s)	PNY GeForce 580 XLR8
Storage	64GB and 180GB SSDs / 1TB and 2TB HDDs
Display(s)	24" Acer V243W
Case	Fractal Design Define R2, sleeved all I/O cables
Audio Device(s)	onboard
Power Supply	Corsair HX750W modular, sadly only stock sleeving
Software	Win 7 64bit

System Name	Cheap yet powerful gaming and entertainment rig!
Processor	AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 Windsor, 1 MB L2 Cache (512k L2 Per Core), 65W Energy efficient, 2GHz @ 2.78 Ghz
Motherboard	Asrock ALiveNF7G-HD720p Rev v5.0
Cooling	Freezer 64, 2x120mm, 1x92mm
Memory	8 GB DDRII PC6400 @ 929 MHz OCZ (2GBx4) timing: 5-5-5-5-16-2T
Video Card(s)	XFX ATI4830
Storage	Seagate 320 GB SATA (16 MB Cache)
Display(s)	19' HannsG (1440x900 @ 75hz)
Case	Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Case
Audio Device(s)	Auzentech X-Meridian, Pioneer VSX-516 Receiver 7.1 with DD/DD EX/Prologic II/DTS/DTS-ES//DTS: Neo
Power Supply	Cool Master eXtreme Power 460W PSU
Software	Vista Ultimate X64 Corporate Edition

System Name	Barb's Domain
Processor	i9 10850k 5.1GHz all cores
Motherboard	MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI
Cooling	Deep Cool Assassin III
Memory	2*16gig Corsair LPX DDR4 3200
Video Card(s)	RTX 4080 FE
Storage	500gb Samsung 980 Pro M2 SSD, 500GB WD Blue SATA SSD, 2TB Seagate Hybrid SSHD
Display(s)	Dell - S3222DGM 32" 2k Curved/ASUS VP28UQG 28" 4K (ran at 2k), Sanyo 75" 4k TV
Case	SilverStone Fortress FT04
Audio Device(s)	Bose Companion II speakers, Corsair - HS70 PRO headphones
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x (2021)
Mouse	Logitech G502
Keyboard	Logitech Orion Spectrum G910
VR HMD	Oculus Quest 2
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
Benchmark Scores	https://www.3dmark.com/spy/34962882

Processor	5800x(2)/5700g/5600x/5600g/2700x/1700x/1700
Motherboard	MSI B550 Carbon (2)/ MSI z490 Unify/Asus Strix B550-F/MSI B450 Tomahawk (3)
Cooling	EK AIO 360 (2)/EK AIO 240, Arctic Cooling Freezer II 280/EVGA CLC 280/Noctua D15/Cryorig M9(2)
Memory	32 GB Ballistix Elite/32 GB TridentZ/16GB Mushkin Redline Black/16 GB Dominator
Video Card(s)	Asus Strix RTX3060/EVGA 970(2)/Asus 750 ti/Old Quadros
Storage	Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB/WD Black M.2 NVMe 500GB/Adata 500gb NVMe
Display(s)	Acer 1080p 22"/ (3) Samsung 22" 1080p
Case	(2) Lian Li Lancool II Mesh/Corsair 4000D /Phanteks Eclipse 500a/Be Quiet Pure Base 500/Bones of HAF
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova 850G(2)/EVGA Supernova GT 650w/Phantek Amps 750w/Seasonic Focus 750w
Mouse	Generic Black wireless (5)
Keyboard	Generic Black wireless (5)
Software	Win 10/Ubuntu

System Name	Thought I'd be done with this by now
Processor	i7 11700k 8/16
Motherboard	MSI Z590 Pro Wifi
Cooling	Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, 9x aigo AR12
Memory	32GB GSkill TridentZ Neo DDR4-4000 CL18-22-22-42
Video Card(s)	MSI Ventus 2x Geforce RTX 3070
Storage	1TB MX300 M.2 OS + Games, + cloud mostly
Display(s)	Samsung 40" 4k (TV)
Case	Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic EVO Black
Audio Device(s)	onboard HD -> Yamaha 5.1
Power Supply	EVGA 850 GQ
Mouse	Logitech wireless
Keyboard	same
VR HMD	nah
Software	Windows 10
Benchmark Scores	no one cares anymore lols

Processor	E5200 @ 3.7ghz
Motherboard	DFI LanParty DK P35 DARK
Cooling	Zalman CPU + case cooling
Memory	OCZ Reaper HPC DDR2 4GB 1066
Video Card(s)	Saphire 4890 Vapor-X OCed
Storage	Raptor 74GB + 640GB sata + 1TB sata ( all WD)
Display(s)	BENQ 24inch LCD 1080p
Case	my desk
Audio Device(s)	Creative Audigy 2 ZS
Power Supply	OCZ gameXstream 700w
Software	Windows 7 x64 ultimate

Processor	i7 920 @ 3.8 GHz + HT, 1.25v
Motherboard	Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Cooling	Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
Memory	6GB G.Skill DDR3 1600
Video Card(s)	HIS 6950 2GB
Storage	WD 640GB Black + 2x WD 1TB Green
Display(s)	30" Dell U3011 H-IPS
Case	Antec P180B
Audio Device(s)	On-Board Sound
Power Supply	Corsair 850TX
Software	Windows 7 Professional x64

System Name	Homelabs
Processor	Ryzen 5900x \| Ryzen 1920X
Motherboard	Asus ProArt x570 Creator \| AsRock X399 fatal1ty gaming
Cooling	Silent Loop 2 280mm \| Dark Rock Pro TR4
Memory	128GB (4x32gb) DDR4 3600Mhz \| 128GB (8x16GB) DDR4 2933Mhz
Video Card(s)	EVGA RTX 3080 \| ASUS Strix GTX 970
Storage	Optane 900p + NVMe \| Optane 900p + 8TB SATA SSDs + 48TB HDDs
Display(s)	Alienware AW3423dw QD-OLED \| HP Omen 32 1440p
Case	be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev 2 \| be quiet! Silent Base 800
Power Supply	Corsair RM750x + sleeved cables\| EVGA P2 750W
Mouse	Razer Viper Ultimate (still has buttons on the right side, crucial as I'm a southpaw)
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman Elite, Pro Type \| Logitech G915 TKL

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