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#1
Okay, so I hate the way that this DFI x38 overclocks 45nm CPU's. There is so much shit you have to do and so much time to tweak every option in this damn boards BIOS that it gives me a headache and I dont want to put up with it anymore. Ive posted over at DFI-Club and this guy as the x48 based board and he has been tweaking GTL's till it comes out of his ass and he still doesnt have a stable overclock and he is going on two and a half weeks now.

Now im looking back over towards the SLi area. Ive been wanting to go SLi with my 8800GT for shits and giggles.

My question is how well do the 780i's overclock quad core's compared to that of the 750I? Whats the performance gap? I know I can get 3.6Ghz out of this chip, but because I lack the time and expertise to fiddle with the damn memory and GTL crap in the BIOS, it wont stay stable.

Im not giong to end up spending 18months trying to figure out how to get a stable OC on this board. It's just not worth it. I never had to mess with that shit with my Q6600, but now I do with this chip. Its weird.

Suggestions?

TIA.

-Crash
 

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#2
My 780i board had a number of unrecognizable barely documented features as well. I'm not sure how much better off you will be.
 
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#3
First of all DFI X38 is not shit. It is made for extreme overclocking. More then 1000 options are in the bios. For the SLI board just get 780i but if ur going ddr3 go with 790i (but theres no reason for that to have ddr3 with a Q6600).
 
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First of all DFI X38 is not shit. It is made for extreme overclocking. More then 1000 options are in the bios. For the SLI board just get 780i but if ur going ddr3 go with 790i (but theres no reason for that to have ddr3 with a Q6600).
Note DDR3 is still a heavy waste of money... You gain next to nill and the cost is still outrageous!
 
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Not sure of other brands, but I myself have had endless problems with an ASUS Striker II
780i board, could not OC a Q6600 G0 at all and eventually stopped working. I managed to get a refund and am purchasing a 790i board, from the reports I have read, the new chipset overclocks quads pretty well, on par with the intel chipsets.
 
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First of all DFI X38 is not shit. It is made for extreme overclocking. More then 1000 options are in the bios. For the SLI board just get 780i but if ur going ddr3 go with 790i (but theres no reason for that to have ddr3 with a Q6600).
I never said the x38 was "shit." I said that there was so much shit in the BIOS that I had to tweak just to get an overclock stable its pathetic. Which goes back to your statement about the "1000 options in the bios." :)

Cant really overclock to the extreme if I cant get the CPU there. ;)

Im not spending a crap load of money on DDR3. Not worth it at the current price/performance.

I dont have a Q6600 anymore.

Note DDR3 is still a heavy waste of money... You gain next to nill and the cost is still outrageous!
Agreed. See statement above. :toast:

Not sure of other brands, but I myself have had endless problems with an ASUS Striker II
780i board, could not OC a Q6600 G0 at all and eventually stopped working. I managed to get a refund and am purchasing a 790i board, from the reports I have read, the new chipset overclocks quads pretty well, on par with the intel chipsets.
Seems like board choices are pretty slim.

I heard the same about 790i, but I just dont have the dough to spend on 4GB of DDR3.

Any recommendations?
 

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I have heard the most cost effective solution to the newer nVidia chipsets is the 750i. Overclocks just as good (if not better) but a little bit cheaper. Granted you will notice they run 8x+8x 2.0 SLi.
 

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The ASUS striker II is supposed to be pretty terrible. The MSN P7N Diamond is supposedly the best of the 780i boards from what I've read. Personally I wouldn't get a 780i board but MSI gave me this one because they screwed me over so bad during the RMA process. The 780i chipset seems to be rather hobbled together since it's basically a 680i chipset with an overclocked PCI-E bus to provide PCI-E 2.0 and a third chip to add the extra slots. Seems rather shaky to me. Unfortunately if you want SLI and don't want to shell out for 790i it's still your best bet. Althougth the 750i boards are supposed to be good as well.
 
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I have heard the most cost effective solution to the newer nVidia chipsets is the 750i. Overclocks just as good (if not better) but a little bit cheaper. Granted you will notice they run 8x+8x 2.0 SLi.
I think the new EVGA 750i FTW motherboard is 16x+16x 2.0
 

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wait for intel's p45 chipset motherboards to come out. dfi's are known for their complex and powerful bioses. very very powerful... if you can figure out how to work them :p i know sneekypeet is a master with dfi bioses and im sure he can help you out with the settings and all.
 
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dude you'll be lucky to get 3.6 on that chip stable because it's well documented that the q9450 and most of the newer 45nm quads do not oc very well.
 

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I wasnt really thinking about the FTW board. I was more thinking of the P7N platinum. I heard it does 16x+8x+8x or soemthing. I dunno ...
 
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Until Intel chipsaets can support SLI functionality its very choice limited. Some 780i brands (I'm not sure) seem to gain reasonable quad OC's such as Evga, XFX ect. Don't go the Stiker II Formula for christ sakes!!!!
 
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what about going old school :D

Im doing prime right now for 3.2GHz for someone that has same mobo and Q9450 but it can get 3.6GHz and 3.8 for benching

and I redid the vdroop today and now it has less drop and it gets more vcore on load then it droping more :rockout:

so right now its at 1.192v bios 1.2v idel 1.184v

also got the new bios for this mobo 1230 damn asus didnt know what I was talking about but ppl on there fourm where saying they got it

but im happy with mine sorry your not thats one thing stoping me at getting a new mobo to much crap in it

oh missed the SLi part :p well its fun for benching but a faster single card is better IMO
 
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Until Intel chipsaets can support SLI functionality its very choice limited. Some 780i brands (I'm not sure) seem to gain reasonable quad OC's such as Evga, XFX ect. Don't go the Stiker II Formula for christ sakes!!!!
I wouldnt get Asus anyway.

dude you'll be lucky to get 3.6 on that chip stable because it's well documented that the q9450 and most of the newer 45nm quads do not oc very well.
If I can get 3.6, it would be nice. I was able to bench at 3.6Ghz and have my card overclocked and got abour 14800 in 06. Thats 2x what I got in 06 with my Q66 with a LOT less heat at faster speeds.
 
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what about going old school :D

Im doing prime right now for 3.2GHz for someone that has same mobo and Q9450 but it can get 3.6GHz and 3.8 for benching

and I redid the vdroop today and now it has less drop and it gets more vcore on load then it droping more :rockout:

so right now its at 1.192v bios 1.2v idel 1.184v

also got the new bios for this mobo 1230 damn asus didnt know what I was talking about but ppl on there fourm where saying they got it

but im happy with mine sorry your not thats one thing stoping me at getting a new mobo to much crap in it

oh missed the SLi part :p well its fun for benching but a faster single card is better IMO
I can no longer go by the settings you or anyone else has unless its a DFI x38/x48 board because of the memory settings and GTL voltages I have to mess with. Its a major pain in the ass. Its surprising because I didnt have to mess with those settings with my Q6600 but I do with my X3350. I cant figure out why that is. Usually, I can just up the FSB along with some voltages and mess with the ram speeds and im off to bench/run prime. That isnt the case now.

Check this guys OC log on my thread on DFI-Club. Its insane. He's been going at this two weeks and still empty handed.
Code:
1.225core, 1.379nb ,1.114vtt
420
72-72-77 =  16min

1.250core, 1.456nb ,1.200vtt
420
76-76-76 =  1min fail
76-76-82 =  5min
422
76-76-82 =  16min
425
76-76-82 =  9min
428
76-76-82 =  6min fail
76-76-81 =  4min fail
76-76-80 =  1min fail
74-74-82 =  3min fail
72-72-82 =  3min fail
70-70-82 =  1min fail
76-76-84 =  4min fail
76-76-86 =  15min 

Updated bios, installed 4pin power plug

1.250core, 1.456nb ,1.200vtt auto glt's
428 =  12min fail

1.250core, 1.4nb* ,1.200vtt
428 =  19min 

1.250core, 1.35nb* ,1.200vtt
428 =  31min 

1.250core, 1.30nb* ,1.200vtt
428 =  13min 

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock)* ,1.200vtt
428 =  10min 

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.160vtt
428 =  11min*

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.119vtt
428 =  lock

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.124vtt
428 =  2min fail

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.129vtt
428 =  13min fail

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.139vtt
428 =  8min fail

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.155vtt
428 =  20min*
431 =  24min fail

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.170vtt
431 =  10min *
434 =  1min fail

1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.200vtt*
435 =  1min fail

1.250core, 1.356* ,1.200vtt
435 =  lock


1.250core, 1.356 ,1.2240vtt*
435 =  4min
437 =  12min*
440 =  1min fail

1.250core, 1.25(stock) ,1.2240vtt
437 =  1min lock

1.250core, 1.304, 1.2240vtt
437 =  1min fail


1.250core, 1.330, 1.2240vtt
437 =  8min

1.250core, 1.356, 1.2240vtt
437 
84-84-84 =  1min fail
86-86-86 =  5min fail
86-86-87 =  5min fail
80-80-87 =  11min 
78-78-86 =  lock
80-80-86 =  5min *
80-80-85 =  7min 
80-80-84 =  2min fail
438 
80-80-86 =  7min 
439
80-80-86 =  3min fail
80-80-88 =  6min fail
82-82-88 =  17min fail
440
82-82-88 =  min fail

1.250core, 1.392, 1.2240vtt
440
83-83-89 =  15min
442
83-83-89 =  11min
444
83-83-89 =  3min lock
83-83-91 =  3min lock

1.250core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
444
84-84-92 =  4min fail
82-82-92 =  4min lock
80-80-92 =  1min fail
84-84-90 =  11min fail
84-84-88 =  3min fail
86-86-92 =  1min fail

1.300core*, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
444
84-84-92 =  1min lock
87-87-92 =  7min (was vcore tested again with 1.25 and locked)
87-87-92 =  1min
87-87-94 =  6min*

1.300core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
445
87-87-94 =  12min lock

1.300core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
444
85-85-94 =  1min fail
86-86-94 =  10min
86-86-92 =  16min
86-86-90 =  7min fail

1.300core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
445
86-86-92 =  2min lock
87-87-93 =  12min fail
88-88-94 =  5min lock
88-88-96 =  1min lock
88-88-98 =  1min lock
90-90-93 =  15min lock
91-91-94 =  1min lock

1.300core, 1.430, 1.2800vtt
445
91-91-94 =  16min
89-89-94 =  15min
87-87-94 =  8min
85-85-94 =  14min
83-83-94 =  1min fail
86-86-91 =  12min *
86-86-88 =  1min fail

1.300core, 1.430, 1.2800vtt
447
86-86-91 =  20min 

1.300core, 1.430, 1.2800vtt
449
86-86-91 =  1min fail

1.300core, 1.444nb*, 1.2800vtt
449
86-86-91 =  2min fail

1.300core, 1.479nb*, 1.2800vtt
449
86-86-91 =  1min fail
88-88-93 =  10min fail
89-89-95 =  26min *

1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.2800vtt
451
89-89-95 =  lockup 
 
1.300core, 1.504nb*, 1.2800vtt
451
89-89-95 =  5min lock

1.325core*, 1.504nb, 1.2800vtt
451
89-89-95 =  1min lock
91-91-97 =  1min lock

1.325core, 1.6040sb*, 1.504nb, 1.3000vtt
451
92-92-98 =  1min lock

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1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.2800vtt
449
89-89-95 1.456nb = lock
90-90-96 = 1min lock
89-89-96 = 1min lock
89-89-94 = 7min*

1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.320vtt
449
89-89-94 = 4min fail
87-87-94 = 1min fail
91-91-92 = 1min fail
91-91-94 = 15min
91-91-96 = 11min 
91-91-98 = 12min 
91-91-101 = 9min 
91-91-104 = 4min fail <104maxnb
94-94-96 = 22min
97-97-96 = 12min
100-100-96 = 30min
103-103-96 = 5min lock <103maxcpu

1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.320vtt
450
91-91-94 = 15min fail
92-92-95 = 3min fail
93-93-96 = 33min 

1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.320vtt
451
93-93-96 = 1min fail
95-95-98 = 1min fail

1.300core, 1.504nb*, 1.320vtt
451
95-95-98 = 8min fail

1.300core, 1.543nb*, 1.320vtt
451
95-95-98 = 3min fail

1.325core*, 1.543nb, 1.320vtt  (needed vcore)
551
95-95-98 = 22min

1.300core, 1.504nb*, 1.320vtt
451
95-95-98 = 10min lock

1.300core, 1.530nb*, 1.320vtt
451
95-95-98 = 21min

1.300core, 1.530nb, 1.320vtt
552
95-95-98 = 1min fail
96-96-99 = 1min lock
95-95-100 = reboot hit 60c cpu
98-98-100 = 3MIN lock

1.350*core, 1.530nb, 1.400*vtt
452
98-98-100 = 11min 

1.350core, 1.530*nb, 1.400*vtt
452
98-98-100 = 11min 

1.350core, 1.530nb, 1.395*vtt
451
98-98-100 = 10min 
96-96-100 = 12min 
94-94-100 = 12min 

Too much votage for no improvement
------------------------

450 bus optimize

1.325core*, 1.459nb?, 1.320vtt*
93-93-96 = lock
94-94-97 = 20min 
92-92-97 = 12min 
90-90-97 = 10min 
88-88-97 = 1min fail cpu low limit
96-96-97 = 11min
98-98-97 = lock      cpu high limit
94-94-99 = 11min
94-94-101 = 10min
94-94-103 = 19min
94-94-105 = 18min
94-94-107 = 18min
94-94-109 = lock  nb high limit
94-94-95 = lock
94-94-96 = 9min  nb low limit
93-93-102 *

------------------------------
3.6ghz optimize
1.35core, 1.459nb, 1.320vtt, 94-94-102
1.350vcore = 5min lock
1.325vcore = 5min lock
1.300vcore = 5min lock
1.275vcore = 1min lock

1.325vcore 
88-88-102 = 1min fail mincpu
90-90-102 = 5min lock
92-92-102 = 5min lock
92-92-99 = 1min lock
92-92-108 = 2min lock
92-92-104 = 2min lock
94-94-104 = 2min lock

1.504nb
92-92-103 = 1min lock

1.479nb
92-92-103 = 1sec lock

1.530nb
92-92-103 = rebooted (60c cpu, moved shut down to 70)

1.517nb
92-92-103 = 3min lock

1.530nb
92-92-103 = 1min lock

1.504nb 1.640sb
92-92-103 = 10min lock

1.517nb 1.640sb
92-92-103 = 22min fail

1.275vcore 1.517nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = 3min lock

1.3vcore 1.517nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = 10min lock

1.3124vcore 1.517nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = 10min lock

1.3124vcore 1.530nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = 0min lock 

1.3124vcore 1.504nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = 3min lock

1.3124vcore 1.492nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = 3min lock

1.3124vcore 1.479nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = 1min lock

1.3124vcore 1.504nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
92-92-103 = ?min lock
88-88-103 = 1min lock (blue screen)
89-89-103 = 10min lock (blue screen)
90-90-103 = 1min lock
91-91-103 = 1min lock
92-92-103 = 1min lock
93-93-103 = 5min lock
94-94-103 = 1min lock
95-95-103 = 1min lock
96-96-103 = 1min lock
98-98-103 = 1min lock
99-99-103 = 1min lock
101-101-103 = 1min lock
95-95-99 = 1min lock
93-93-102 *

--------------
7xmult 450

1.325vcore 1.492nb 1.5sb 1.320vtt
93-93-102 = 32min fail

vcore:
1.3000 = 12 min fail
1.3125 =  1min fail

1.33750vcore 1.492nb 1.5sb 1.330vtt
93-93-102 = 10min lock


1.33750vcore 1.517nb 1.64sb 1.330vtt
93-93-102 = 10min fail

1.3250vcore 1.492nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 1min fail

1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 2hrs 54min stable******* 


--------------
8xmult 450

1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 15min lock

--------------
7xmult 450

1.33750vcore 1.517nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 3 min fail

1.3250*vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 =  5min lock

1.33250*vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 =  7min fail

1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.335vtt
94-94-103 = 5min lock


1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = stable settings
92-92-103 = 34min
90-90-103 = blue screen
96-96-103 = 34min
98-98-103 = 8min
100-100-103 = 1minlockup
CPU = 91 to 99 (95 middle)

95-95-100 = 15min 
95-95-98 = 8min
95-95-97 = 11min fail
95-95-106 = 5min fail
95-95-105 = 55min
nb = 98-105 (102 middle)

95-95-102

--------------
8xmult 450 (attempt 2)

1.35925vcore(1.25*1.0874) 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 1min lock

1.35925vcore(1.25*1.0874) 1.555nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 1.5hrs stable!!!*

1.35925vcore(1.25*1.0874) 1.530nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 2hrs stable

1.33850vcore(1.25*1.0708)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 30min

1.329625vcore(1.25*1.0637)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 5min fail

1.334875vcore(1.25*1.0679)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 2hr lock

1.335625vcore(1.25*1.0685)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 2hr lock

1.3385vcore(1.25*1.0708)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 2hr lock

1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 5min lock

1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732) 1.543nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = lock

1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732) 1.555nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 4hr lock

1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732) 1.566nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
94-94-103 = 4hr lock

1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0803) 1.579nb* 1.54sb 1.345vtt
94-94-103 = 4hr lock

1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0933)* 1.579nb 1.54sb 1.345vtt
94-94-103 = 4min fail


1.33875vcore(1.25*1.0725)* 1.591nb* 1.54sb 1.350vtt*
95-95-102 = 4h fail

1.350375vcore(1.25*1.08030)* 1.604nb* 1.54sb 1.355vtt*
95-95-102 = 4h fail

1.350375vcore(1.25*1.08030) 1.604nb 1.64sb* 1.355vtt
95-95-102 = 4h fail
96-96-102 = 3h fail
94-94-102 = 3h fail
95-95-103 = 4h fail

1.365125vcore(1.25*1.0921)* 1.604nb 1.64sb 1.355vtt
95-95-102 = 4h fail
95-95-101 = 9min fail
95-95-104 = 5.5h fail
95-95-105 = 6h fail
95-95-106 = 5.5h lock
95-95-107 =
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#17
well its just NB and the FSB Termination Voltage I need to make sure I got enough volts and it can be stable

I know there not the same but if you can find out those I need to get more Im sure you could get more or unless the newer chipsets can get the lower multi Q that high which would suck as the cost more
 
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Review on Newegg for the EVGA 780i:

Pros: Wow! This mobo is perfect! I love everything about it. The LEDs for the boot status code came in very handy. Told me that my memory was DOA. I love all the SATA slots, 2 Nvidia ethernets, not much legacy junk. Easy to connect to my case.

Cons: Expensive! The metal shield that goes on the back panel doesn't label the jacks. That's frustrating. Which of the six audio jacks is which? Which NIC is which? Is purple keyboard or mouse?

Other Thoughts: I hate the documentation of the BIOS - both what's in the manual and what's in the BIOS setting display. Some have lots of detail, but others seem to have been auto-generated. For example: WOL(PME#) From Soft-Off This function on the Power Management Setup menu allows you to enable or disable WOL(PMW#) from soft-off. Gosh, that was sure informative. Good thing they bothered to write that explanation. Now, what does WOL(PMW#) mean, again?

Tech Level: high
Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
This user purchased this item from Newegg.com
:laugh: Yeah okay...tech level of "high" but he doesnt know what color the keyboard and mouse jacks are supposed to be. :laugh:
 

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intel chipsets do support sli.. but not for the geforce 8 :p
 
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Why are the 750i boards more overclockable than the 780i?
 
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#22
Has anyone dealt with an XFX motherboard before? Or know of anyone who has?

I just got comparing these two motherboards, and it seems even though they are the same motherboard, the XFX has a lot less issues than the EVGA.

What are your thoughts on this guys?

Dumb question but if I use an XFX motherboard with my XFX video card, will there be better performance than say an EVGA board with an XFX video card? Just seems like XFX would optimize it for their own video cards. I could be wrong though.
 
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I love my new evga 780i board. The bios is more complicated verses intel boards, but thats what google is for.;) I've had my g0 at 3.7. I got 21000 in 3dmark06 at that setting.:p
 
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#24
@ntdouglas

Do you have to mess with any GTL's or difficult memory optimization other than setting the DRAM volts and strap/divder?