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As some of you might know my last PC project has been nothing but a giant trainwreck and after a year its still not working as it should and there are still a ton of things wrong and the PC is just beyond any and all repair so other than storage drives RGB strip PSU and cables everything is going to be replaced and i will start over so the first thing is a new name as i dont want anything i am going to do going foward to have anything to do with the last dumpster fire

Picture of the dumpster fire as it is now

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Right now i have these parts

Phanteks 719 case (first thing being replaced)
6x Phanteks 140MP fans which will be re-used since they are not bad fans
Seasonic Prime TX750 as well as extra cables for SATA power
AsRock X570 Taichi
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
Noctua NH-U12S black with another NF-F12 fan on it
MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Akasa Vegas MBA 60cm LED Strip
G.Skill TridentZ RGB AMD Edition 32 GB 3200 MHz
Corsair Force MP510 1,92 TB
5 HDD´s of various storage capacity

Since i dont have a ton of money i will be buying replacements parts in stages and stage 1 is going to be the case as the Phanteks 719 sucks!

So after looking around for cases there was only one option really and that was the Fractal Design Define 7 XL so i have just ordered a Define 7 XL as well as another Akasa RGB strip a Deepcool FH-10 fan hub and some Fractal Design universal multibracket for more HDD´s

Should be showing up some time next week

Stage 2 replacements is going to be the motherboard since the AsRock X570 Taichi has too many problems and might even be broken

Since Zen 3 is out by that time i will replace the CPU RAM and cooler as well as the motherboard and i will be selling the old parts to a friend still stuck on a an old Asus P8Z77-V motherboard a 3570K 8 GB of 1600 MHz DDR3 and a crappy Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo

I have not decided on a new motherboard yet but the brand new ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero is my number one pick since it has 8 SATA ports and the chipset fan is gone so now unless something better comes along with Zen 3 thats seems like my best option

Cooling is another thing not decided i might buy a Noctua NH-D15S and stick with something i know works or i might be willing to try a CLC cooler after almost 7 years as long as its not something with an Assetek pump on it

The EK AIO the Deepcool Captain V2 and the Lian Li Galahad all use non Assetek pumps from what i understand?
RAM is not decided since i dont know what motherboard i will be getting nor what RAM speed Zen 3 will work best at

Stage 3 is going to be the GPU and the new GPU is going to be an Asus RTX 3080 TUF OC

Reason why the GPU is stage 3 is its impossible to find an RTX 3080 right now and its not going to be better untill 2021 and my RTX 2070 Super is fine where the motherboard is not and the GPU is going to cost more than any motherboard and might cost more even the CPU and motherboard combined so i will need a bit longer to save up

Stage 4 is going to be a Microchip Adaptec RAID 8805E which is a PCI-E based mini SAS HD host bus adaptor card and the reason for that is i probably wont have enough SATA ports on the motherboard going forward and since i dont want to be forced to buy another crappy motherboard just because it has 8 SATA ports vs a good board with 6 SATA ports i am going to buy a stand alone board with 8 SAS ports since SAS cards will work with SATA HDD´s

Strage 5 is going to be replacing my Ironwolf Pro 12 TB and my WD Ultrastar DC HC530 14 TB but since its so far away i am not going to be pick a drive now but i hope the 20 TB Ironwolf Pro is out by then
 
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what do you do that you need 12 TB of drive space ?
 

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Looking forward to seeing the project unveil :)
 
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The HDD cages should be showing up tuesday according to scan.co.uk and the case fan hub and RGB strip on thursday according to computersalg.dk
Wont have time to move the system from the 719 to the Define 7 XL untill tuesday next week so if there are any delays its not a problem as long as its not longer than tuesday next week
 

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Can't wait to see it all getting sorted :) Pics are a must please ;)
 
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Can't wait to see it all getting sorted :) Pics are a must please ;)
I always take lots of pictures both because i am photographer but also to document everything
I am still sad that i lost everything i had in late 2009 so all my early work and PC builds have been lost forever so that was a lesson in why you need a backup

This is the oldest picture i got from around that time and i had it on facebook which is why it survived
 

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I won't admit how far I go back with pictures but only since digital cameras and such have made things so much easier otherwise I'd have even more pictures than I already do! :laugh: The data I have stored on my servers is terrible lol But yes, backups are an absolute must and with my children growing up, I have to make sure my data is even more secure and backed up.. Can't loose any of that!!

Look forward to seeing all the developments :) Do love a good project build!! :)
 
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I still not sure what is a better idea to have all the HDD´s close together to leave a bigger gap for air to get into the main chamber for the CPU and GPU
OR space the HDD´s out with gaps in between so they get more air flow over and under each drive which will give better cooling for the drives but worse for the CPU and GPU

I will be using 3x 140mm Phanteks PH-F140MP fans in the front
 

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As long as there's air going between the drives, I can't imagine there'd be any real issue to be honest :) If you remember the Coolermaster Stacker cases and the 4 in 3 devices they called them, they where close together but with a good fan pushing the air over them, I never had any issues :) Depending on noise levels etc, I'm sure a good fan would push more than enough over the drives :) Do they run warm normally?
 
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As long as there's air going between the drives, I can't imagine there'd be any real issue to be honest :) If you remember the Coolermaster Stacker cases and the 4 in 3 devices they called them, they where close together but with a good fan pushing the air over them, I never had any issues :) Depending on noise levels etc, I'm sure a good fan would push more than enough over the drives :) Do they run warm normally?
The 3 drives in the bottom of my 719 can get a bit hot but thats because of the piss poor design of the 719 which is yet another reason why i am replacing it
After thinking about it leaving gaps between the drives might mean the PSU SATA power and maybe even SATA data cables from the motherboard might have prblems reaching so better to just stack the drives

The case is made for up to 16 drives and Linus made a video where he managed to cram 20 drives in the Define 7 XL and that video was the main reason why i picked it
The Define 7 XL was not available when i bought the 719

This is the video i am talking about

I am not going to have 4 drives in the bottom chamber only 2 since i have a pretty big PSU and i want some extra space for all the cables and my SATA power cables cant reach from one cage to the next the distance is too small which means using 2 cables so i am going to stack them upwards with 2 in the bottom and 3 in the front above the bottom chamber
 
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How many drives have you got going in the case altogether? I sometimes think that brute force is enough with drives, I hope that the bigger units don't get too hot that I'd need Delta's in front of them but some decent air over them should be enough I hope :)

Remember the video, 320TB is now like 120GB back a few years to these guys!! :laugh: Good video though :)
 
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How many drives have you got going in the case altogether? I sometimes think that brute force is enough with drives, I hope that the bigger units don't get too hot that I'd need Delta's in front of them but some decent air over them should be enough I hope :)

Remember the video, 320TB is now like 120GB back a few years to these guys!! :laugh: Good video though :)
Right now i have a 12 TB Seagate Ironwolf Pro a 14 TB Ironwolf Pro 2x 16 TB Ironwolf Pro´s and a WD Gold HC530 14 TB so 5 total

The WD Gold HC530 14 TB is super slow and loud so that drive and the 12 TB Ironwolf Pro will either be replaced by a 16-20 TB drive and then sold or i might buy one or more new drives and move some of the data to the old drives and re-use them in my second PC which could be good idea for an extra backup for the most important stuff

I have way too often come across the problem that i dont have space for HDD´s a long GPU or something else so while i only do have 5 drives right now i might very well add a few more or maybe like i said buy a PCI-E based mini SAS HD HBA card with 8 SAS ports and go crazy since there would be room for up to 16 HDD´s

This Project is both an archive/storage server a workstation a web browsing / media and a gaming PC all in one
 
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The HDD trays showed up today so those where only a single day delayed
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There has been no news on the case it should be shipped today but i think it might be delayed as well
 

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The case has been delayed and there is no word on when i will get it they said maybe tomorrow maybe monday who knows

I am also having second thoughts about the motherboard while i dont like it very much its seem that the BIOS update have fixed the problems it had with booting which means that while the fan is still loud and the RGB software and BIOS are still god awful and the other flaws it works at least

A new X570 motherboard is between 2300-4500 kr or $362-708 US or 390-604 euros and thats not a small amount so what i could do is update the BIOS to allow for Zen 3 CPU new RAM and cooler and just keep the motherboard because like i said its not great but it works

The Define 7 XL also has a lot of noise dampening material so that might help with the noise
If i ditch a new motherboard i can afford to step up to the Ryzen 5900x instead of the 5800x or i can afford an Asus RTX 3080 TUF a month earlier if you can find any at that date anyway
 
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Bought the wrong RGB strip what i thought i ordered was the Vegas MBA but what i got is the Vegas MB which uses molex power so its completely useless
Its going to cost almost as much to send it back as what i bought it for so i am just going to throw in a box with spare parts and forget about it

There is not enough room for two RGB strips in the Define 7 XL anyway so its actually not a loss because if i had bought the MBA i would have paid 3 times as much for something i could not use anyway
 
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Slightly unrelated to the build but having gotten used to getting an organized box with small compartements for all screws from Phanteks and not getting that with Fractal Design i went out and bought one to have it better organized

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Having one big bag with all sorts of random crap and a dozen smaller bags with all the Fractal Design screws was not something i liked all that much since it wastes time trying to find the right screw or bag with screws

This system is much less of a mess
 
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Nice, not a fan of the define 7 though, bit ugly imo. I'm using a phanteks evolv X which i like, but i don't have any mechanicals, as they are slow hot and noisy, but i understand if you need the storage. Why did you not use 2.5" sata ssd's though? or could you not get the same amount of storage/$ in 2.5" ssd's?
 
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Nice, not a fan of the define 7 though, bit ugly imo. I'm using a phanteks evolv X which i like, but i don't have any mechanicals, as they are slow hot and noisy, but i understand if you need the storage. Why did you not use 2.5" sata ssd's though? or could you not get the same amount of storage/$ in 2.5" ssd's?
A 12-14-16 TB SSD does not exist other than the new Nimbus 50 TB SSD for $10.000 or the 100 TB for $40.000 and i dont have that kind of money
I have a 12 TB two 14 TB´s and two 16 TB´s for a total of 65,3 TB

A 4 TB is barely enough for my own personal music pictures and other stuff and thats not counting any video at all
 
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