PSU gurus needed! Failed project

[eidairaman1]

My longest lasting was an Antec Trupower Trio 650W. I still have it, it still runs. And I purchased it in 2006. Fan just doesn't run anymore and I already replaced it a couple of times.

I just do not want to use it due to its age though. Plus two broken power sata connectors.

Physically broken?

 

[sepheronx]

Physically broken?

Yes. Plastic top part of connector is physically broken off.

Technically I could fix it, and replace the fan again (wire it directly to the PCB of the PSU) but I dunno if efforts worth it.

 

[jboydgolfer]

My longest lasting was an Antec Trupower Trio 650W. I still have it, it still runs. And I purchased it in 2006. Fan just doesn't run anymore and I already replaced it a couple of times.

I just do not want to use it due to its age though. Plus two broken power sata connectors.

i think a LOT of people hear/read the same thing about this , or that item, and a impression or general consensus of an item being of terrible quality becomes "fact" without many of those who carry the opinion, having ever even owned the item in question, or having a real life connection to it. Ive seen many people say "the cx600 has terrible reviews on this site, or that site", and it surprises me how much stock a person will put in what some guy on a website (that they have never met), thinks about a given product....especially with the possibility for "corruption" in those situations. personally, i will consider what a review i trust might say, but it makes up AT MOST, 10% of my deciding factors. I have never had much faith in online reviews, as the nature of the business (and thats what it is, a business) is too prone to the possibility of bias, or sway based on "donations" or "funding".

More information can be a bad thing, when the easy access to providing that information to the public brings lesser quality sources of it.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yes. Plastic top part of connector is physically broken off.

Technically I could fix it, and replace the fan again (wire it directly to the PCB of the PSU) but I dunno if efforts worth it.

You might be able to get pig tails and resolder or buttconnector them, or use those crimpless butt connectors as advertised earlier

i think a LOT of people hear/read the same thing about this , or that item, and a impression or general consensus of an item being of terrible quality becomes "fact" without many of those who carry the opinion, having ever even owned the item in question, or having a real life connection to it. Ive seen many people say "the cx600 has terrible reviews on this site, or that site", and it surprises me how much stock a person will put in what some guy on a website (that they have never met), thinks about a given product....especially with the possibility for "corruption" in those situations. personally, i will consider what a review i trust might say, but it makes up AT MOST, 10% of my deciding factors. I have never had much faith in online reviews, as the nature of the business (and thats what it is, a business) is too prone to the possibility of bias, or sway based on "donations" or "funding".

More information can be a bad thing, when the easy access to providing that information to the public brings lesser quality sources of it. which is why i verify my research on items i am considering buying, with atleast several sources, both "professional" reviews, & non professional (aka non paid reviews), as i trust the latter more than the former.

Idk that 2080 goin up in flames I wouldnt trust it.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Idk that 2080 goin up in flames I wouldnt trust it.

How many of those have burst into flames compared to how many have sold or been produced? I certainly don't like a video card that bursts into flames, but we don't know the details as to what caused it (or at least I don't). If it's less than five or 10 out of the millions that have sold, not buying one out of fear of it happening to you, would be sort of like not working out of the expectation of winning the lottery. personally, id be more likely to not buy a new Nvidia GPU because they cost an arm and a leg, over any fear of fire

 

[Bill_Bright]

You over amped the corsair

But that should never happen! If you put too big a load on any PSU, it should shut down BEFORE any wires go crispy critter on you.

Over Current Protection (OCP) is "required" on all ATX Form Factor compliant power supplies. Clearly that Corsair if faulty. Don't use it - except - maybe - to test fans and drive motors.

 

[GreiverBlade]

the longest lasting PSU ive owned was a CX600. Ive recently heard someone who's actually lasted longer (mine went nearly a decade) . I wont argue they were top of line units, but not everyone had terrible experiences with them.

well i will rather say they are inconsistent then

Yes, I got this particular HX unit, because of the incredible reviews it received and it hasn't let me down. I can thoroughly recommend the Corsair brand, but you do have to be careful to get the right model, as you've described.

I got mine for a decent price too, on special offer.

the HX i wouldn't mind (specially with a special offer ofc) even made by CWT but that OEM has some up and down that vary too much from one model to another ( indeed inconsistent is the right word )

my Seasonic M12II 750 Evo (fully modular bronze 120$~ while a CX750 is 105$ for me ) was bought mmmhhhh ... in 2012 or 13, well of all the psu's i owned (and some extremely not well reviewed one also ... its thanks to TPU and the awesome users here that i switched to Seasonic) it's the best one i got and powered my 3-4 last rigs and one was with a FX6300 (heavy OC ... unlike my 6600K which is OC disabled, thanks Intel for your gentle attention ) and a R9 290.

 

[Frick]

i think a LOT of people hear/read the same thing about this , or that item, and a impression or general consensus of an item being of terrible quality becomes "fact" without many of those who carry the opinion, having ever even owned the item in question, or having a real life connection to it. Ive seen many people say "the cx600 has terrible reviews on this site, or that site", and it surprises me how much stock a person will put in what some guy on a website (that they have never met), thinks about a given product....especially with the possibility for "corruption" in those situations. personally, i will consider what a review i trust might say, but it makes up AT MOST, 10% of my deciding factors. I have never had much faith in online reviews, as the nature of the business (and thats what it is, a business) is too prone to the possibility of bias, or sway based on "donations" or "funding".

More information can be a bad thing, when the easy access to providing that information to the public brings lesser quality sources of it.

Soooo.... What are the other 90%? Looks? Marketing? Relation to Willie Nelson lyrics?

 

[Bill_Bright]

i think a LOT of people hear/read the same thing about this , or that...

More information can be a bad thing

More information is a good thing! The problem often is that it is not really "more" information but the same "bad" information repeated over and over again that people keep reading. A bad report, or a single isolated report goes viral (and is often exaggerated with sensationalized headlines to get attention) and suddenly everything from that maker is junk!

And the person reading does not bother or is not aware he needs to seek out the original source of that information to see if it is really a lot of people experiencing problems with multiple units, or if is really just that a lot of people (often bloggers and those in the IT press) re-reporting over and over again the same report of one problem with just one unit.

Parrots and lemmings are the problem. As are people who think what was true years ago must still be true today. We see this all the time - for example, with OEM coolers. Years ago, OEM coolers were noisy and inefficient. Today, they are very quiet and very efficient. Yet many with no experience with today's OEM coolers automatically trash them due to experience from years ago. And then that bad reputation is parroted over and over again by others with no experience.

 

[GreiverBlade]

A bad report, or a single isolated report goes viral

except for some brand ofc ... for corsair it's not a "single isolated" for the CX series, and for Razer as another example ... it's a case of being lucky or not (not from my point of view ... it's a POS brand )

oh well there might be some inconsistencies with CWT quality, more with lower priced units, but i can't find it correct, specially when a unit that receive way more good review from an alternative brand (with no oem ) is only 10-15$ more than a CX, thus for me the CX is a do not touch, but not the whole PSU's line from Corsair (or CWT units)

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

PSU ratings list on LTT forums in sig below.

 

[phill]

I'd personally replace the unit...

I wouldn't personally strip back wires on a PSU and with the Corsair unit being around the budget area, I'd definitely suggest buying new. Hopefully in a few days I'll have a few new units myself, but there's no way I'd be putting a pair of 1070's in with a 'cheap' unit.. Pay a bit more, get something decent, you won't regret it.

On Ebay they had a sale on their PSUs and some of them where crazy cheap... Here's the link to the PSUs and here's a recommendation.... I suppose you could go to an 850w, but with the price difference, go for the 1000w

 

[Frick]

oh well there might be some inconsistencies with CWT quality, more with lower priced units, but i can't find it correct, specially when a unit that receive way more good review from an alternative brand (with no oem ) is only 10-15$ more than a CX, thus for me the CX is a do not touch, but not the whole PSU's line from Corsair (or CWT units)

As I said, the problem with the CX line is - depending a bit on the model - price. Find them with a good deal and they're decent units.

 

[GreiverBlade]

As I said, the problem with the CX line is - depending a bit on the model - price. Find them with a good deal and they're decent units.

fair point, tho i wouldn't choose a Forsair CX750 over a Seasonic M12II 750 Evo, even if the price difference would be wider put me a CX750 at 80$ and my M12II still at 120$ the M12II would still have obvious advantage that would warrant those 60$ over (one of them would be "not being a cheap unit made by CWT.") they're decent but too much inconsistant (i know i'm repeating myself)

unless not having a better choice available online or at a retailer.

 

[Bones]

I'd have to say don't trust it for any kind of use now.
PSU's can and sometimes will kill everything when they go out, possibly even cause a fire and yours has already been showing it's not 100% reliable, esp now that it's been stressed.

May cost a little up front now but replacing an entire machine later will make you spend it to replace..... And in any case with the risk of fire lets hope it doesn't add up to home replacement either.
Don't believe a PSU going out can cause a fire?

Just ask Mr. Scott - It happened to him.
Albiet it was a small one but every fire I've ever seen starts out that way.

 

[T-Bob]

I don't have a soldering iron either, though, so the splices are likely just twisted together and done...

Whatever you decide, DO NOT use the above-mentioned method. Imo, that would create a fire and\or safety hazard.

 

[sepheronx]

i think a LOT of people hear/read the same thing about this , or that item, and a impression or general consensus of an item being of terrible quality becomes "fact" without many of those who carry the opinion, having ever even owned the item in question, or having a real life connection to it. Ive seen many people say "the cx600 has terrible reviews on this site, or that site", and it surprises me how much stock a person will put in what some guy on a website (that they have never met), thinks about a given product....especially with the possibility for "corruption" in those situations. personally, i will consider what a review i trust might say, but it makes up AT MOST, 10% of my deciding factors. I have never had much faith in online reviews, as the nature of the business (and thats what it is, a business) is too prone to the possibility of bias, or sway based on "donations" or "funding".

More information can be a bad thing, when the easy access to providing that information to the public brings lesser quality sources of it.

Thats the kicker.

When the PSU came out, I referred to some review sites. I don't even remember if the Johnny Guru review came out at same time I purchased it or not. I was in a tough bind as I needed a half decent PSU to power my D920, as my "Diablotek" PSU was not going to cut it. I ended up replacing it (antec) with a silverstone 600W which ended up failing after 2 months of use and killed my motherboard and ram.

 

[hat]

Silverstone? That sucks, they're supposed to be a good brand.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Until Man can create perfection 100% of the time, there will always be units that fail pre-maturely. This, of course, assumes it was the unit that failed and not some excessive surge or spike that killed it.

 

[John Naylor]

1. You can buy replacement connectors for both ends, buy the wiring. solder pins on at each and and even sleeve them yourself. You can also buy replacement cables for Corsair units ... all available at sites like frozencpu.com and performancepcs.com But if your time, money, effort are worth anything, I'd just replace it. The necessary tools and parts if you don't have any cost far more than a much better PSU

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g51/c379/list/p1/Connectors-24_Pin_Connectors.html
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g51...ir_Seasonic_Cooler_Master_PSU_Connectors.html
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g51...nnectors-Connector_Pins-Molex_Pins-Page1.html
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3..._Universal_Molex_Removal_Tool.html?tl=g51c469
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3701/slt-16/FrozenCPU_Molex_Crimping_ToolHT-225D.html?tl=g51c469
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g35/SleevingHeatshrink.html


2. CX series is not something Id want to hold on to and it's substantially undersized for your system with twin 1070s. You should always take user experiences with a grain of salt but the large amount of users with problems should give you pause. Not the worse capacitors available but enough to cause most to choose elsewhere.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_gaming_x_review,8.html

Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation:

GeForce GTX 1070 / 1080 - On your average system the card requires you to have a 500 Watts power supply unit.
GeForce GTX 1070 / 1080 SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 750 Watts power supply unit.

If you are going to overclock your GPU or processor, then we do recommend you purchase something with some more stamina.

3. If you drop down to one 1070, this is a fine and inexpensive option at $35 or you could do the repairs which will likely cost more, if ya don't already have the necessary tools. See above
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nB3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze

With two 1070s, the budget solutions would be

$50 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gW...ified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-750fm
$50 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/23YXsY/antec-power-supply-hcg750
$60 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kW...-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-hcg850-bronze

But the one I'd buy ... would be the Seasonic Focus Gold + which is a steal at $70 ... you could easily use the 750 watter but it's $94
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jW...fied-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-850fx

Jonnyguru gives it a 10 on Build Quality / 10 on performance
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=531