Q6600 or Q9450?

[phanbuey]

i heard those DS3's have a FSB limit slightly above 400 for quads (mine does), and that the rev1 can barely get up to 400, past that you really gotta start cranking NB and SB voltage. You would get higher clocks for the 6700...

 

[VroomBang]

An e8200 with an 8800GT will get u a hell of a lot more fps than a q6600 with a 7950GT.

how much is "a hell of al lot" ?

 

[VroomBang]

i'd get the q6700 that's on sale today and every saturday at www.ClubIT.com for $299. (i ordered one last night)

the q6700 is an awesome chip with a 10x multi and almost guarantees into 4ghz for sure.

I like that

 

[trog100]

how much is "a hell of al lot" ?

double the frame rates at any given resolution.. more at lower ones..

multicore was a scam when it first came out and sadly due to lack of real software development it still is..

trog

 

[VroomBang]

I though your moto was to "Ignore the truth.. follow the herd.."

 

[Jarman]

ye...roughly 2x the speed...if not more of a 7950gt. Plus the E8200/E8400 will clock further than a Q6600 and its faster clock for clock (partly down to the extra cache) cheaper and runs cooler and has SSE4 instructions....if u arent that bothered about having 4 cores and have a board that will support 45nm its probably a better bet

 

[Fitseries3]

i agree... if you dont need 4 cores, the 45nm duals are THE chips to get. the e8400 and e8500 are the best dual core chips you can get no doubt. their quad core cousins are crap for the price though.

 

[Spacegoast]

well higher multiplier = less stress on the mobo. the Q600 has a 9x multi so to hit 3.6ghz you need 400fsb. the Q9450 has an 8x multi meaning, you would need a 450fsb to 3.6ghz.


edit: i know the new dual cores are nice and all but i hear they cant take high voltages. a lot are burning up even when temps are low on the cores. i heard they dont like more than 1.38 volts, which isnt too high either

 

[Fitseries3]

yeah but if your thinnking of spending $360 on a q9450, why not go for the q6700 for $299? it's far better than both the q6600 and the q9450... and even the q9550.

 

[Spacegoast]

yeah but if your thinnking of spending $360 on a q9450, why not go for the q6700 for $299? it's far better than both the q6600 and the q9450... and even the q9550.

agreed. the Q6700 or Q6600 would be my choice over this current batch of processors

 

[trog100]

I though your moto was to "Ignore the truth.. follow the herd.."

said in jest dude.. satire perhaps.. could even be called sarcasm.. he he

Oscar Wilde.. "apart from the majority being right they are invariably wrong"..

the other one i like is.. "The law is for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools"..

i should have been locked up long ago.. he he he

trog

 

[MikeJeng]

I thought the Q6700 was just a Q6600 with a 10X multi.

 

[trog100]

well higher multiplier = less stress on the mobo. the Q600 has a 9x multi so to hit 3.6ghz you need 400fsb. the Q9450 has an 8x multi meaning, you would need a 450fsb to 3.6ghz.


edit: i know the new dual cores are nice and all but i hear they cant take high voltages. a lot are burning up even when temps are low on the cores. i heard they dont like more than 1.38 volts, which isnt too high either

mostly rumour not really proven.. but heat isnt the problem voltage is.. mine runs sweet 24/7 at 4 gig 1.33 vcore.. i could probably kill it by feeding to many volts thru it thow.. it needs 1.6 to do 4.6 gig.. up to how stupid the user is mostly..

trog

 

[VroomBang]

That's it, I'm waiting for the Q9450 to become more widespread so that the Q6600 comes down in price a bit more, and that's when, ladies and gentlemen, coming from behind the bushes, I go and snatch the Q6600!!!

 

[trog100]

That's it, I'm waiting for the Q9450 to become more widespread so that the Q6600 comes down in price a bit more, and that's when, ladies and gentlemen, coming from behind the bushes, I go and snatch the Q6600!!!

just bear in mind its not likely to happens for some months.. if it happens at all.. sometimes the old stuff just stops.. end of lined.. no more.. its planned this way..

trog

 

[VroomBang]

just bear in mind its not likely to happens for some months.. if it happens at all.. sometimes the old stuff just stops.. end of lined.. no more.. its planned this way..

trog

Maybe, but I'm prepared to take the risk. They're still doing pentium D's almost 2 years after launch. The demand for the Q6600 will fall once Q9450's demand kicks in, and we should expect a price drop for the Q6600 in the next couple of months.

 

[Wile E]

multicore was a scam when it first came out and sadly due to lack of real software development it still is..

trog

How many times are you gonna spew this nonsense? Ok, a quad might not help 99% of all games out there, but games aren't the only programs written. A quad can benefit in many areas, especially anything to do with encoding/rendering. Not to mention massive multi-tasking or those few oddballs that actually like to benchmark for sport.

Just because it isn't useful to you, doesn't mean it's a scam.

 

[Grings]

Maybe, but I'm prepared to take the risk. They're still doing pentium D's almost 2 years after launch. The demand for the Q6600 will fall once Q9450's demand kicks in, and we should expect a price drop for the Q6600 in the next couple of months.

One thing to bear in mind here, is that there are only still pentium d's available because no-one in their right mind would buy one, trying to find chips people actually want that are discontinued can prove much harder, as an example amd single core 939 chips are really easy to find (no one wanted them) wheras dual core ones/opterons were like rocking horse shit

 

[Jarman]

@ spaceghost. Temperature isnt the only thing that matters to a chip. Of course a 45nm chip cant take as much voltage as a 65nm. But then its a smaller process with less current leakage etc. A like for like 45nm chip will clock further at 1.4v than a 65nm at 1.6v and produce alot less heat. I could quite easily cool my E8200 with an air block @ 4.2GHz. As it is, with a DTEK fuzion the chip doesnt go above 38 degrees under load, which is fantastic. My Q6600 (1.58v 3.825GHz) on my main machine (with much better pumps and more radiator area) gets to 55 degrees under load.

 

[X800]

According to Fuzilla Intel is going cut prices ,maybye allready done.

A massive cut

Intel plans it usual price cut that will affect mostly the old 65nm parts. On April 20th Intel will cut Core 2 Quad Q6700 from the current $527 suggested retail price to $270. The super popular Q6600 at 2.4GHz will drop from $270 to $229. At the same time, Intel plans to introduce its Core 2 Duo E8300 45nm based CPU with 6MB cache and 2.83GHz clock and it will start selling it for $169.

The Core 2 Duo E4600 2.4GHz CPU with 2MB cache will drop from $139 to $119. Pentium Dual core E2200 with 1MB cache and 2.2GHz clock speed will drop from current $87 to $77. Dual Core E2180 clocked at 2.0GHz clock will drop from current $77 to $67.

The last two price cuts will affect the Celeron 440 at 2.0GHz and 512KB cache, it will drop from current $54 to a new low of $45. The last planned price cut affects the Celeron 430 at 1.8GHz 512KB cache and FSB 800MHz. It will drop from current $45 to $35.

All this is expected on April 20th

 

[VroomBang]

I'm happy to wait till April 20th to get a Q6600 at $229, although the Q6700 becomes an interesting alternative at $270, considering its partially unlocked multiplier (up to x10).

With my mobo (Gigabyte P35-DS3) at 1600 FSB max, what would be the higher clock speed I could get with Q6700 compared to the Q6600?

Am I right in thinking that the Q6700 would give me 400x10= 4GHz on that mobo, as opposed to 400x9=3.6GHz with the Q6600?

 

[Nitro-Max]

yep but you still need the voltage to back it up. Dunno if aircooling can keep it at 4ghz 24/7 with out getting hot.

 

[VroomBang]

Is there a point in chosing the Q6700 over the Q6600 if the overclocking is limited to say 3.0GHz? What I'm trying to get at...: is it better to achieve a target OC using a higher multiplier and keeping the FSB lower instead of the other way around? Or to put it differently, does an increase in FSB generate more instability than an increase in the multiplier?

 

[Jarman]

chips with a higher multi are generally easier to overclock because you dont need as much FSB. On the other hand the higher FSB needed on lower multi chips gives the chips more bandwidth to play with. Even on a Q6600 if you find you can get it to run at your max MHz on a multi of 8 rather than 9, then do so, as the cores will have more bandwidth.

Depends alot on how good (patient) you are with overclocking and how good your motherboard/psu is.

For a quad core u need a P35 or better imo. 965 boards are also "supposed" to be good for overclocking quads. However the DFI P965-S dark i have is AWFUL for them. I would tend to lean towards a high end asus p35/x38 chipset if you are serious about overclocking a quad.

 

[Spacegoast]

just bear in mind its not likely to happens for some months.. if it happens at all.. sometimes the old stuff just stops.. end of lined.. no more.. its planned this way..

trog

true, it may not happen for some time. look how long it took the Q6700 to come down. the E6700 never even came down in price when the E6600 price dropped. so anyone planning on waiting for prices to fall dont hold your breath.