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I didn`t mean it was the problem , just that some people notice it.
 
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I did just try running the ram at 800 instead of 1066, reinstalled OCCT just in case, it still reboots about 15 mins in. I turned all the voltages to normal instead of auto, used loadline calibration, the chip never went under 1.32 under load. If you had to guess, is the chip or the motherboard the dud here?

Auto isn't the way to go, try to boost your cpu voltage to 1.4 or so, look at my postings about the voltage ratings for that chip...

We had a guy a few months ago trying to clock a Q6600 to 3200 also, didn't realize it needed 1.55 volts.
 

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I did just try running the ram at 800 instead of 1066, reinstalled OCCT just in case, it still reboots about 15 mins in. I turned all the voltages to normal instead of auto, used loadline calibration, the chip never went under 1.32 under load. If you had to guess, is the chip or the motherboard the dud here?

I think it's obvious, if there is a dud it would be the chip because it's the thing you changed. You said you were running a Q6600 before, did you reset the CMOS when you installed the 9550? Sometimes that can create issues. You never did say what memory error you were getting on the BSOD?
 

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Update; It passed IBT, I did 5 rounds at maximum stress testing?

So what now?

Um... stop using OCCT? That's what I did.

My g/f needed tickling so I didn't really pay attention to all of the details in my last post.

For me the stability issues were software, not hardware.

I'd say test it overnight with Prime95 or run it through 100 cycles with IBT. If it passes either, you're stable. Clock it higher. If you plan on keeping it at 3.4ghz, lower the voltages to stock and try again. I'd be surprised if you needed more for 3.4 with a q9550. Leave the high volts alone unless you're trying to push it past 4.0ghz and then keep them as low as you can get away with.

I haven't put much time into this mobo, but I've my q9550 at 3.6 with all of the voltages at stock. There are massive threads over at XS and [H] on this motherboard I'm trying to fight my way through so I can really push it. I've crap RAM, I expect it to be what stops first. Then I can roast it with massive volts and have a good reason to upgrade to 8GB. :D
 
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I think it's obvious, if there is a dud it would be the chip because it's the thing you changed. You said you were running a Q6600 before, did you reset the CMOS when you installed the 9550? Sometimes that can create issues. You never did say what memory error you were getting on the BSOD?

I was using the Q6600 with a IP35 Pro, I purchased both the Gigabyte board and the Q9550 yesterday. I have not tried the Q9550 in the IP35, I am not sure it will work. The BSOD memory error just listed a memory address, nothing else.
 
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Well, it just passed 10 IBT rounds, error reporting on, maximum stress settings. How many times should run IBT to be considered stable?

This is at 3.4, vcore at 1.31, all else set to stock (normal, not auto) in the bios, ram running at 1066.
 

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I was using the Q6600 with a IP35 Pro, I purchased both the Gigabyte board and the Q9550 yesterday. I have not tried the Q9550 in the IP35, I am not sure it will work. The BSOD memory error just listed a memory address, nothing else.

My mistake, sorry. Looks like you're well on your way though. Voltages on auto tend to be a bad thing. Oh, one more thing, and it's a big one...have you updated the BIOS?

Here's a thread that might help (with a Q9650): UD3P overclocking guide This guy knows his stuff.
 
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My mistake, sorry. Looks like you're well on your way though. Voltages on auto tend to be a bad thing. Oh, one more thing, and it's a big one...have you updated the BIOS?

Here's a thread that might help (with a Q9650): UD3P overclocking guide This guy knows his stuff.

I did update the bios, so it is possible it is just OCCT that is causing the problem?

Thanks for all your advice.
 

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Its very possible it is OCCT causing the issue.
Another thing to Note on Gigabyte boards in mess with PCI-E speed, on mine i had to lock it at 102 MHZ to get any stability for high Overclocks. ALso could be a PSU issue.
How long did you test your ram for?
 

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I don't have that mobo, but with my 9550, you'll need about 1.3 VTT (fsb) at least to go past 3.2 or so. Over 3.6, you'll need higher, probably close to 1.4. My 780i only lets you go from 1.3-1.4, no steps in between.

You shouldent need that high a VTT for 400Mhz FSB... Though again dependant on the chip.

I did update the bios, so it is possible it is just OCCT that is causing the problem?

Thanks for all your advice.

The new version of OCCT has been a bit flaky of late, drop back to 2.xx builds as they are solid as a rock.

If your pushing alot of FSB, or more than 2DIMMS of ram you will need to up the vNB a bunch, also its usually a good idea to bump it a bit when OCing a quad as they are hard on the NB's.

Try diffrent VTT (vFSB) settings untill you get a good one, for example my 9450 on a P45 will run 1.26 (or 1.24 i cant remember what its set to) to run 475FSB @ 3.8Ghz for 500FSB to post to windows it needed 1.4VTT (ONLY change.)

Also set the PCI-E freq to 101-105 somewere in there, as it removes alot of weird stability issues. The P45 seems to like 101Mhz, were the striker 2 liked 103Mhz.

Also you need to adjust the GTL refs when you manipulate the VTT, when the overclock is mostly stable start tweeking those and you can dial it right in, also get 1-3% more optomisation out of it with IBT. Also when you are going for big clocks on the quads the GTLs play a HUGE part. I suggest 3-5 days of googleing and reading about GTLs then you should have a fair understanding on them and a good place to start tweeking them.


Also i would change the way your overclocking... since it seems you just picked a number and went for it.

I would test the max FSB, then the max core clock, then the max ram speed and pick something thats a nice happy medium.... drop the multy to lowest (6) drop the ram to lowest and start crankin the FSB, you will top out in the 430-470 range on that quad and that motherboard (about the average) if you get more thats great and you have a good setup, if not oh well. once you find the max fsb the chip/board can do, then you bring the multiplyer up at the stable FSB untill you figure out what the core will do, for this i would set the max core voltage your willing to use IE. 1.375 in bios and see how far you can bring the multiplyer up before it wont post, then back the FSB down a bit untill you figure out the stable core speed (probobly in the 3.6-3.8Ghz range, though it might be a bit higher since you have that extra .5 multy). Then drop the multy and work on the ram, since you already know the max cpu/mobo fsb that will give you a good starting point for the ram. then once you have dicked with that for a wile pick somewere in the middle that you would like to run 24/7, leave the voltages and stress it with OCCT. If it passes 10 hours start bringing the voltages down 1 at a time... start with vcore drop it one notch and test again, if it passes, down one more notch. etc etc... if it crashes put it back up and test again if it passes you just found the lowest vcore. then do the same for the vNB, and vDIMM. then once all thats stable tweek the GTL refs and you will probobly be able to drop the Vcore another notch or two after dialing them in.


Whew, sorry for the lack of punctuation in that... I'm just way to lazy to go back and fix it.

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if it turns out you have a memory hole, PM me as there are some work around for them :D
 
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Well, I started Prime95 before I went to work, and at some point it rebooted. No errors or freezeups, just a reboot. Since both OCCT and Prime95 cause this, what do you think it might be.

I am running Memtest+ 86 to see if it will produce any errors.
 
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Its very possible it is OCCT causing the issue.
Another thing to Note on Gigabyte boards in mess with PCI-E speed, on mine i had to lock it at 102 MHZ to get any stability for high Overclocks. ALso could be a PSU issue.
How long did you test your ram for?

It passed two runs so far with no errors.
 

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Erm, No....

Vista cannot cause lower overclocks for some people...
If you are getting a lower clock in Vista than XP, it's because you were not 100% stable, maybe 99.9% but not 100%.

Software and hardware are two layers here.

wrong.
cold storm and i clocked his e6400 to 550 fsb and 6x multi on a p35 blood iron. it was 12 hour(3 complete passes) prime stable in dos and xp, and 8 hour(2 complete passes) orthos stable in xp, but vista would give an error message on boot saying "this is not a valid windows installation." every stress test we could throw at it told us it was stable and ran 8+ hours, but vista refused to boot. search the net a bit, vista does, in fact, hinder overclocking.
 

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Well, I started Prime95 before I went to work, and at some point it rebooted. No errors or freezeups, just a reboot. Since both OCCT and Prime95 cause this, what do you think it might be.

I am running Memtest+ 86 to see if it will produce any errors.

Check your power supply.... for random reboots like that it makes me think motherboard or PSU... because when most of the other things fail it will just hardlock or BSOD...

check the PSU with a meter under load.
 
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I think I may have it finally!!!! The GTL needed to be tweaked, finally passed OCCT!!!!!!

Thanks for all your help guys.
 

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Glad to hear that it's all good to go!

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You shouldent need that high a VTT for 400Mhz FSB... Though again dependant on the chip.


I shouldn't, if I were using another board. It's not dependent on the chip, it's dependent on the board and the SPP. With a 780i you're not getting 400 FSB under 1.3v with any certainty. It's just not that friendly for overclocking quads. Just as an aside, this board goes 1.1-1.2-1.3-1.4. There are no finer adjustments for FSB, and I could not go higher than ~3.7GHz with anything but a 1.4v FSB.


Glad you got it fixed Exeodus.
 

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Good to hear that you figured it out.

Mine just ran Prime95 overnight at 450mhz fsb, so 3.8ghz or so. All voltages at stock (so normal in the BIOS, not Auto) except the RAM which I set to 2.1v

If it's still going when I get home from work, I get to crank it up to 460. :D
 
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stock voltage 3.8Ghz, very nice mate.
 
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wrong.
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Wrong...

SOFTWARE ---- HARDWARE

2 different levels, being the OS doesn't control clocks or voltages it's simply not possible.
You cannot tie things together that are not tied, that's like getting a virus through your wall outlet from your power supply.
 

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Wrong...

SOFTWARE ---- HARDWARE

2 different levels, being the OS doesn't control clocks or voltages it's simply not possible.
You cannot tie things together that are not tied, that's like getting a virus through your wall outlet from your power supply.

wrong.
digital circuits NEED software(programming) to tell them what to do. without software, a digital circuit will not operate. period.
 
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wrong.
digital circuits NEED software(programming) to tell them what to do. without software, a digital circuit will not operate. period.

Uh, huh... You you are saying that every OS is built to specifically control your processor and chipset, which will limit your overclock?

Even the old thrown together linux boot cd that was built FAR before your hardware was designed.....

Hmm.. :slap:

***No... The control "software" for the "hardware" at its basic levels is built into the "hardware".

Why do we flash our bios on our video cards vs just change it in RivaTuner for voltage increases..

See my point? The OS will not "Limit" your overclock unless it is specifically built to find what your product is and if it is not running to spec then refusing to load.

The only thing Vista as an OS can do is not handle errors by your ram or processor as well, but then again this means your overclock is not 100% stable.
 
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I have my q9450 at 3.6 and it needs 1.61 nb and 1.34 vtt and 1.375 vcore ..........at 3.4 it needs about 1.3 volt vcore and 1.29 nb and 1.2 vtt with an Asus P5E
 
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