Quality Question In Cooling Thermal Pads VS Thermal Paste

[PatrioTFreedom45]

Question of day.
I have seen some thermal pad online on eBay. I have used paste in the past, but I've never used pads. Since I'm being prepared to replace my RX 570 radior fans and I'll have to reinstall the cooler once they are shipped to my house and install the thermal material on this GPU. What is different from thermal paste and pads.? Are these pads are better in cooling efficiency then the thermal paste or they don't make different in quality in cooling. Thanks for your help and support.

 

[JackCarver]

What is different from thermal paste and pads.? Are these pads are better in cooling efficiency then the thermal paste or they don't make different in quality in cooling. Thanks for your help and support.

As you can apply thermal paste thinner on the cpu/gpu as thermal pads it's usually better. You can see above the thermal conductivity of Thermal Grizzly thermal paste vs their Minus Pads.

 

[AsRock]

Use paste when ever possible which are typically non conductive, how ever there are some that are.

 

[joemama]

Thermal pastes usually have higher thermal conductivity than thermal pads and can be applied much thinner, so the cooling efficiency would be much better

 

[lexluthermiester]

Question of day.
I have seen some thermal pad online on eBay. I have used paste in the past, but I've never used pads. Since I'm being prepared to replace my RX 570 radior fans and I'll have to reinstall the cooler once they are shipped to my house and install the thermal material on this GPU. What is different from thermal paste and pads.? Are these pads are better in cooling efficiency then the thermal paste or they don't make different in quality in cooling. Thanks for your help and support.

For a GPU, because there are so many points of contact, it's best to use a paste. The Carbonaut pads are excellent for air cooling CPU's because there is only one large surface to cover.

 

[Valantar]

Needs clarification: "thermal pad" can describe two very different classes of product. The classic one is what is used on GPU VRAM and VRM components, the rather thick and spongy type. These are generally for low thermal load applications and have relatively poor conductivity, but are great for fitting heatsinks to oddly shaped objects or large areas due to their size and flexibility. The second type is thin carbon pads like the Carbonaut pads mentioned above, which mostly consist of a sheet of vertically oriented carbon nanotubes held by a binding agent. These are electrically conductive and thus can only be used on non-sensitive places like a CPU IHS - anywhere else and you'd risk shorting out stuff. They conform rather poorly to uneven surfaces too, so again, only really suitable for a CPU IHS (there are softer/more flexible and noncondictive variants like what AMD uses on their reference GPUs, but they are rare). Thermally these are much better than the thicker pads, comparable to a mid-range thermal paste. They also generally never wear out over time unlike thermal paste.

 

[PatrioTFreedom45]

Question of day.
I have seen some thermal pad online on eBay. I have used paste in the past, but I've never used pads. Since I'm being prepared to replace my RX 570 radior fans and I'll have to reinstall the cooler once they are shipped to my house and install the thermal material on this GPU. What is different from thermal paste and pads.? Are these pads are better in cooling efficiency then the thermal paste or they don't make different in quality in cooling. Thanks for your help and support.

Thanks. my GPU being reaching temperature at 192 F° or 89°C it seems to be too hot for a GPU. One the fans has woble and sometimes it makes noice clacking sounds, but spends..

Needs clarification: "thermal pad" can describe two very different classes of product. The classic one is what is used on GPU VRAM and VRM components, the rather thick and spongy type. These are generally for low thermal load applications and have relatively poor conductivity, but are great for fitting heatsinks to oddly shaped objects or large areas due to their size and flexibility. The second type is thin carbon pads like the Carbonaut pads mentioned above, which mostly consist of a sheet of vertically oriented carbon nanotubes held by a binding agent. These are electrically conductive and thus can only be used on non-sensitive places like a CPU IHS - anywhere else and you'd risk shorting out stuff. They conform rather poorly to uneven surfaces too, so again, only really suitable for a CPU IHS (there are softer/more flexible and noncondictive variants like what AMD uses on their reference GPUs, but they are rare). Thermally these are much better than the thicker pads, comparable to a mid-range thermal paste. They also generally never wear out over time unlike thermal paste.

So how long should wait until applied paste or how long does it last until the paste need to be replaced again. It sounds like will paste will ware out in time. I have bought paste before posting this thread. It gold colored. does colors matter on paste as color coded? Or they different in material compounds.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Thanks. my GPU being reaching temperature at 192 F° or 89°C it seems to be too hot for a GPU. One the fans has woble and sometimes it makes noice clacking sounds, but spends..


So how long should wait until applied paste or how long does it last until the paste need to be replaced again. It sounds like will paste will ware out in time. I have bought paste before posting this thread. It gold colored. does colors matter on paste as color coded? Or they different in material compounds. View attachment 145320

Dont waste your money on this. Go look for some GD900

 

[Valantar]

Thanks. my GPU being reaching temperature at 192 F° or 89°C it seems to be too hot for a GPU. One the fans has woble and sometimes it makes noice clacking sounds, but spends..


So how long should wait until applied paste or how long does it last until the paste need to be replaced again. It sounds like will paste will ware out in time. I have bought paste before posting this thread. It gold colored. does colors matter on paste as color coded? Or they different in material compounds. View attachment 145320

Bargain thermal paste off Ebay or wherever that is should generally be avoided. It will work, but it won't be good, and I wouldn't trust it to last.

Stock thermal pastes like what Intel uses beneath their IHSes tend to be dry and clay-like, but have amazing shelf life and never truly dry out (even if it might look like they do). They normally have rather poor thermal conductivity for a paste though. Retail pastes tend to be much wetter, perform better, but also often dry out over time and lose performance. I'd repaste after 2-3 years or so if it was important (though my HTPC hasn't been touched for much longer than that and is fine, but it never gets pushed very hard either). And I would only ever buy thermal paste that I've seen do well in a review. Lots of brand-name stuff is nearly as bad as cheapo Ebay stuff.

 

[biffzinker]

Thanks. my GPU being reaching temperature at 192 F° or 89°C it seems to be too hot for a GPU. One the fans has woble and sometimes it makes noice clacking sounds, but spends..


So how long should wait until applied paste or how long does it last until the paste need to be replaced again. It sounds like will paste will ware out in time. I have bought paste before posting this thread. It gold colored. does colors matter on paste as color coded? Or they different in material compounds. View attachment 145320

That paste has poor thermal conductivity 3.05 W/(mK)

Get a tube of Arctic's MX-4 paste. It has a thermal conductivity of 8.5 W/(mK)

MX-4 | Highest Performance Thermal Compound | ARCTIC

The award-winning ARCTIC MX-4 thermal compound guarantees an extremely high thermal conductivity and is very easy to use with an ideal consistency.

www.arctic.ac

 

[PatrioTFreedom45]

Bargain thermal paste off Ebay or wherever that is should generally be avoided. It will work, but it won't be good, and I wouldn't trust it to last.

Stock thermal pastes like what Intel uses beneath their IHSes tend to be dry and clay-like, but have amazing shelf life and never truly dry out (even if it might look like they do). They normally have rather poor thermal conductivity for a paste though. Retail pastes tend to be much wetter, perform better, but also often dry out over time and lose performance. I'd repaste after 2-3 years or so if it was important (though my HTPC hasn't been touched for much longer than that and is fine, but it never gets pushed very hard either). And I would only ever buy thermal paste that I've seen do well in a review. Lots of brand-name stuff is nearly as bad as cheapo Ebay stuff.

Thanks. What brand do you use? I have gotten some from another member of this site says there 3 types? Im little bit confused about this.

That paste has poor thermal conductivity 3.05 W/(mK)

Get a tube of Arctic's MX-4 paste. It has a thermal conductivity of 8.5 W/(mK)

MX-4 | Highest Performance Thermal Compound | ARCTIC

The award-winning ARCTIC MX-4 thermal compound guarantees an extremely high thermal conductivity and is very easy to use with an ideal consistency.

www.arctic.ac

Ok that I have get. I'll check it out now.

Someone just sent me this one from Attic

MX-4 | Highest Performance Thermal Compound | ARCTIC

The award-winning ARCTIC MX-4 thermal compound guarantees an extremely high thermal conductivity and is very easy to use with an ideal consistency.

www.arctic.ac

 

[eidairaman1]

Yes get arctic mx 4.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Someone just sent me this one from Attic

MX-4 | Highest Performance Thermal Compound | ARCTIC

The award-winning ARCTIC MX-4 thermal compound guarantees an extremely high thermal conductivity and is very easy to use with an ideal consistency.

www.arctic.ac

Yes, get a tube of that. Best value for money, IMHO. Great stuff.

 

[PatrioTFreedom45]

I have installed the fans, the paste but a different brand from previous building operation from aLast year. Im getting temperature at 86-87 ° degrees Celsius while under heavy load. Its alittle better than 89-90. But I'm still not completely sure or satisfied with this cooling process. I expected better cooling system then before at least 60 to 70 Celsius degrees. I don't know if this the thermal paste or is just normal this way. Fans are blowing full blast at 3140 RPMs with afterburn software on
Paste Brand is Hainzius part# HY710. Thermal continuity 3.17w/m+k
Thermal resistance 0.067 c-in/W ?
Is very small printing on the tube.

I know I'm still going to get the Arctic brand this weekend I just wanted to test the fans what do y'all think about the cooling situation I clean the radiator was warm water with soap dried it with a 300 watt blow hot air gun. Take a look at the motherboard are the GPU and it was really really really dirty so I cleaned it with cotton swab and precision paint brush put the thermal paste put it all together installed it onto the PC and that's all I did today. Any idea thank you

 

[lexluthermiester]

No matter how good a TIM is, a 20C difference is expecting a bit much. You got about what you can reasonably expect. So if you want to improve your temps further, getting an improved cooling solution should be your next goal.

 

[xtreemchaos]

+1 for GD900, beats mx4 by a good bit and you get 30g for about £5.

 

[biffzinker]

+1 for GD900, beats mx4 by a good bit and you get 30g for about £5.

The GD900 has a thermal conductivity: 4.8 W/M-K compared to MX-4 with 8.5 W/(mK)

Higher is better

 

[xtreemchaos]

ive tried both and in my view gd900 is better, give it a try bro I get much better temps from it, the proofs in the pudding mate .

 

[Valantar]

The GD900 has a thermal conductivity: 4.8 W/M-K compared to MX-4 with 8.5 W/(mK)

Higher is better

Manufacturers measure thermal conductivity in different ways (there is no standard for this) so numbers between brands are generally not directly comparable.

 

[xtreemchaos]

yes this thermal conductivity numbers are very shadey after all we only have to take there word for it, me I go for what gives me the best temps with the best overclock. Bri from tech yes put me onto GD900 and ive never looked back been using it for 3 years, sod with paying over the top for small tubes with fancy names. if you havnt tried I dare you too

 

[lexluthermiester]

The GD900 has a thermal conductivity: 4.8 W/M-K compared to MX-4 with 8.5 W/(mK)

Higher is better

ive tried both and in my view gd900 is better, give it a try bro I get much better temps from it, the proofs in the pudding mate .

A difference of 1 or 2 degrees C will not make a big impact in the OP's usage model. The TIM is fine. The OP needs a better cooling solution if his goal is to get down to the 60 to 70 C range.

 

[Valantar]

@PatrioTFreedom45 What case is your GPU installed in? What exact model is the GPU? Do you have plenty of fans bringing in cool air from outside the case and blowing it towards the GPU? What are your ambient temperatures like? What are your CPU temperatures like? 60-70C for a GPU is rather rare unless it has a very beefy cooler, even for a relatively low power one like the RX 570. What are youf fan speeds? 81-82C like in your pic is perfectly fine.

 

[PatrioTFreedom45]

It manufacturer brand DYI Model Diamond F-1 gaming series with side tamper glass panel from Newegg for 55$. 4 case fan slots. 3 in the front and one in the back as a exhaust Factory made it. The the front fans I purchase them from another seller. Brand Vetro 1200 +10 % Max RPM about 8$ a piece. I know I have a crappy made PSU Cooler Master RS-500-PCAR which it 70% efficiency 140mm fan. A bad buy. I hope to get another one soon like thermalake or seasonic this weekend.

The GPU fans I have just received and replaced them last night. They max out in RPM 3140 and still have 80s°c and up. Max monitor reading was 87°C. Which I'm not to happy about it, after all the work done on GPU. Which it still flashing and flickering GPU while gaming. Probably because of the PSU lacking power and the over heating up GPU at same time.

Note I have taken off the case tamper glass and side pan
els and still getting GPU temperature at 80s and up degrees Celsius.
Im assuming I'll just take everything out PSU and repasted the GPU with artic mx-4 to see what if the temperature going to be better.

It manufacturer brand DYI Model Diamond F-1 from Newegg for 55$. 4 case fan slots. 3 in the front and one in the back as a exhaust Factory made it. The the front fans I purchase them from another seller. Brand Vetro 1200 +10 % Max RPM about 8$ a piece. I know I have a crappy made PSU Cooler Master RS-500-PCAR which it 70% efficiency 140mm fan. A bad buy. I hope to get another one soon like thermalake or seasonic this weekend.

The GPU fans I have just received and replaced them last night. They max out in RPM 3140 and still have 80s°c and up. Max monitor reading was 87°C. Which I'm not to happy about it, after all the work done on GPU. Which it still flashing and flickering GPU while gaming. Probably because of the PSU lacking power and the over heating up GPU at same time.

Note I have taken off the case tamper glass and side pan
els and still getting GPU temperature at 80s and up degrees Celsius.
Im assuming I'll just take everything out PSU and repasted the GPU with artic mx-4 to see what if the temperature going to be better.

 

[Valantar]

It manufacturer brand DYI Model Diamond F-1 from Newegg for 55$. 4 case fan slots. 3 in the front and one in the back as a exhaust Factory made it. The the front fans I purchase them from ano

Judging by the pictures that case will have absolutely terrible airflow. Are there any vents along the front at all? From what I can see (the pics are very dark/overly high contrast/low dynamic range) there is a solid front panel (with a groove down the middle which looks to just be decorative), no side vents along the front panel. Is there any front ventilation at all? If not, front fans will do nothing for you whatsoever. Where are they taking in air from? In that situation it really isn't any wonder if your GPU is running hotter than expected. All the front fans will be doing is then just crating some turbulence inside the case (not enough air/too much restriction to create actual flow in any meaningful way), with the rear exhaust creating negative pressure ensuring that some cool air gets in through various cracks and openings around the case. The GPU is then likely getting some cool air from the PCIe slot covers, though that isn't much.

Try taking the front panel off the case, if you have front fans in there temps are likely to drop significantly.

 

[PatrioTFreedom45]

Judging by the pictures that case will have absolutely terrible airflow. Are there any vents along the front at all? From what I can see (the pics are very dark/overly high contrast/low dynamic range) there is a solid front panel (with a groove down the middle which looks to just be decorative), no side vents along the front panel. Is there any front ventilation at all? If not, front fans will do nothing for you whatsoever. Where are they taking in air from? In that situation it really isn't any wonder if your GPU is running hotter than expected. All the front fans will be doing is then just crating some turbulence inside the case (not enough air/too much restriction to create actual flow in any meaningful way), with the rear exhaust creating negative pressure ensuring that some cool air gets in through various cracks and openings around the case. The GPU is then likely getting some cool air from the PCIe slot covers, though that isn't much.

Try taking the front panel off the case, if you have front fans in there temps are likely to drop significantly.

I have put back the panels on to see system temperature.
It's designed the air flow is coming from the very bottom opening from front panel and the the three carries the to the top. System temperature are in 39° degrees Celsius with all panels on it. The PSU fan is pointing from the bottom upside down as the case designed it. Airflow from the bottom to the top case. I'll send you a link of case spec maybe it will help.

They sold out on Newegg. Here a Link

DIYPC Diamond-F1 Black USB3.0 Steel/ Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case w/Tempered Glass Side Panel, 1 x Blue LED Ring Fan x Rear (Pre-Installed) - Newegg.com

Buy DIYPC Diamond-F1 Black USB3.0 Steel/ Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case w/Tempered Glass Side Panel, 1 x Blue LED Ring Fan x Rear (Pre-Installed) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

A difference of 1 or 2 degrees C will not make a big impact in the OP's usage model. The TIM is fine. The OP needs a better cooling solution if his goal is to get down to the 60 to 70 C range.

Ok is there any I can do with GPU cooling XFX AMD RX 570. I wonder if there a better cooler or upgraded one to fit on to the XFX AMD RX 570. Will a Gigabyte Rx or Power Color 3 fan cooler will fit. ? Thanks

98.6 ° degrees Fahrenheit system temperature with all the panels on .. using genuine gigabyte motherboard software that came with motherboard . Case airflow comes from the bottom to the top with 3 led Vetoo fans. There is an big opening in the bottom front panel allows air to flow to the top and middle of the case. The bottom White led fan is acting like a vacuum , which vacuum air from the bottom opening and allow another fans to collect air to the pc. 1200 x 3 RPM . They blow pretty well for 8$ dollar fans.
Note the white bottom fan and back exhausted fan is control by the motherboard by gigabyte software driver. Which self controled by motherboard. The rest is connected to directly to PSU 12v + Molex 4 Pin connectors. I even disconnected all the led stripes to maybe help the PSU have better efficiency in power and and less heating up with LED lights off. The white fan and the back ring blue LED Fan are connected to motherboard 5 volts power supply according to gigabyte motherboard specs.