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The point here is you're suggesting him a Gigabyte board just because his P45 is Gigabyte. You're the one that needs to give reasoning behind your suggestion. All my suggestions are cheaper than their Gigabyte equivalents while offering more slots/better VRM, BIOS and so on. Get real.
It was the OP that said "My current one is a Gigabyte (see specs) and it's been flawless for almost three years now, so this is my preferred brand"

John, I've been seeing a lot of your posts round here recently and I've got to say: Please keep your opinions as your opinions; and stop forcing them down everyone's throat. You are obviously very knowledgable and will be a credit to TPU, but come on man, an opinion is just an opinion. Calm down a bit!

I don't want to derail the thread more than it already has been so that's all I'm saying.
 

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Thanks for all your great replies, everybody. :cool: I've updated my OP to clarify a couple of points.

okay, why hasn't this been asked yet?

Why not save money and get the 2600k? I'm assuming you can handle overclocking 100 mhz on an unlocked processor...

I know this isn't relevant to the thread but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would spend way more for the 2700.
Why? Basically what John said:

Why not do some research on 2700k OC'ing? :rolleyes: The chip has been out for weeks, it's not a rebadged 2600k. Later 2600k's have a worse batch than earlier ones, and the 2700k has the best batch out of all. People have been OC'ing them to 5-5.4. And it doesn't cost "way more". You can find it for a few ten dollars more on some retailers.

http://www.eteknix.com/reviews/processors/intel-core-i7-2700k-flagship-showdown-review/

http://www.eteknix.com/reviews/processors/intel-core-i7-2700k-flagship-showdown-review/3/

As a side note, you should have suggested him a 2500k. The 2600 is a waste over it (for gaming) as well. We told him that on an older thread but he wanted the best.
But yes, you're right, I just wanted the top model and I wanted an i7, because they are faster in the reviews due to the greater cache. The "we told him" bit John is referring to is this thread: Get the 2600K or the 2700K, that is the question? Notice the dodgy grammar in the title? :eek: So, it looks like the 2700K is more than just a multiplier value better, which I kinda suspected. And yes, there's only a few pounds difference between that and the 2600K, so it's pretty much a no-brainer.

I did look at the Gigabyte website at their UEFI implentation and all I could find was this hybrid BIOS with 3TB+ support, which seems to beg for compromises and potential problems. However, bta posted a news article the other week about Gigabyte's new UEFI implementation with a "3D" look, so perhaps it's worth looking out for mobos based on it? While I do like Gigabyte and their board designs (dual BIOS especially, for piece of mind) I will switch brand if need be.
 
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What about a Noctua NH-C14, you could have some RAM clearance issues but the performance is very good and isn't noisy (atleast for my standards)
 
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i got the p8z68-v its cheap, has 3 pci-e slots, in proper layout, usb 3, sata3, and i have my i7 2600K running @ 4.7 for 4 month now without one freakin problem, settings are pretty much this : multi 47x100bclk, and voltage 1.350

but ive also heard VERy good things about the new ASRock board, the extreme series, think its extreme 4, with the gold caps, supposed to be around same overclocking as the maximus boards

memory is not a big factor for SB, just choose some regular whatever you find, like vengeance, they look good too, i got the 8gb 1600mhz cl9 kit works fine.

cooler, try the NZXT Havik, its supposed to be one of the best, or take a look @ tweaktowns cooler testing section :) very good guy who test the coolers, cases and such there :)
 
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i got the p8z68-v its cheap, has 3 pci-e slots, in proper layout, usb 3, sata3, and i have my i7 2600K running @ 4.7 for 4 month now without one freakin problem, settings are pretty much this : multi 47x100bclk, and voltage 1.350

but ive also heard VERy good things about the new ASRock board, the extreme series, think its extreme 4, with the gold caps, supposed to be around same overclocking as the maximus boards

memory is not a big factor for SB, just choose some regular whatever you find, like vengeance, they look good too, i got the 8gb 1600mhz cl9 kit works fine.

cooler, try the NZXT Havik, its supposed to be one of the best, or take a look @ tweaktowns cooler testing section :) very good guy who test the coolers, cases and such there :)
only problem with the V, LE, LX and Pro when we talk Asus P8Z68 is this:

The PCIe x16_3 slot shares bandwidth with PCIe x1_1 slot, PCIe x1_2 slot, USB3_34 and eSATA. The PCIe x16_3 default setting is in x1 mode.

that's what i see of a problem since Asus didn't wanna use a PLX chip on them, bcs they mean it will be to expensive and it will roll out all their models :nutkick:
 

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I prefer ASUS boards because of the multiple on-board fan headers which can control fan speed via desktop software Fan Expert. I really liked that P6X58D-E was able to do 24w on the cpu_fan, so I have a pwm y cable for my dual tower CPU cooler. 24w gives me lots of headroom should i ever want to drive really high cfm fans. Fan Expert was able to calibrate itself with the fans' rpm, so I could make my User profile for at what CPU temp and what %fan speed combo how ever I wanted.
Frostytech does reviews on most major air coolers. Though I have a Noctua NH-D14 now, I wish I had the Aegir.. after reading their review of Xigmatek's Aegir being more quiet for near similar performance.
Are you still going to use the HAF 922 like in your system spec? How many case fans?
 

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Ok people, I've now decided on a mobo, but before I get it I'd like your opinions on it.

I really wanted to get another Gigabyte mobo, but because they don't do UEFI yet, I've had to abandon them. BUT! Check out this TPU news on their new 3D BIOS (UEFI) which looks amazing. As far as I can tell, it's only gonna be for LGA 2011 boards for now, unfortunately. Anyone know if it's coming to LGA 1155 soon? You can see Gigabyte's 3D BIOS launch page here.

I was initially looking at the MSI Z68A-GD55 (G3) which seems a nice mobo and in fact cadaveca reviewed the MSI Z68A-GD65 (for the life of me, it's not clear what the difference between the 55 & 65 are, as MSI doesn't show any difference). The MSI website isn't very detailed with its specs either and from cadaveca's review, it appears to have an 8+2 phase VRM.

I then looked at the Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3 mobo and this baby has a 12+4 phase VRM and has more features generally than the MSI. I then saw that for another £20, I can get the P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 which has a bit more features. Also, the standard of English in the documentation is better with Asus than MSI, which is more important than you think, although not a dealmaker/breaker.

I looked up a couple of reviews and the Asus seems really good, especially with its VRM and UEFI, therefore, I've decided on the Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3. It will cose me a fairly pricey £160.

What do you think - is this a good choice?

RAM: I'm just gonna find some branded DDR3 1600 sticks and get 8 or 16 gigs of those in two sticks, depending on price.

Cooler: I'll just use the stock cooler for a bit. I wanna let the heat from the credit card cool off a bit first. :laugh:


Are you still going to use the HAF 922 like in your system spec? How many case fans?
Yup, my beloved HAF 922 ain't going nowhere. As far as fans go, it has none.

What! :eek:

Hehe, that's because it lives permanently with the side panel off, as I'm always tinkering around inside, so doesn't need fans.
 
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#34
That will be a very solid choice. Though being a pro it's really only got 12 relevant vrms. The other 4 are for the igpu. Not that it makes a difference.

ASUS Digital Power Design :
- Industry leading Digital 16 Phase Power Design
(12 -phase for CPU, 4 -phase for iGPU)
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Ok people, I've now decided on a mobo, but before I get it I'd like your opinions on it.

I really wanted to get another Gigabyte mobo, but because they don't do UEFI yet, I've had to abandon them. BUT! Check out this TPU news on their new 3D BIOS (UEFI) which looks amazing. As far as I can tell, it's only gonna be for LGA 2011 boards for now, unfortunately. Anyone know if it's coming to LGA 1155 soon? You can see Gigabyte's 3D BIOS launch page here.

I was initially looking at the MSI Z68A-GD55 (G3) which seems a nice mobo and in fact cadaveca reviewed the MSI Z68A-GD65 (for the life of me, it's not clear what the difference between the 55 & 65 are, as MSI doesn't show any difference). The MSI website isn't very detailed with its specs either and from cadaveca's review, it appears to have an 8+2 phase VRM.

I then looked at the Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3 mobo and this baby has a 16+4 phase VRM and has more features generally than the MSI. I then saw that for another £20, I can get the P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 which has a bit more features. Also, the standard of English in the documentation is better with Asus than MSI, which is more important than you think, although not a dealmaker/breaker.

I looked up a couple of reviews and the Asus seems really good, especially with its VRM and UEFI, therefore, I've decided on the Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3. It will cose me a fairly pricey £160.

What do you think - is this a good choice?

RAM: I'm just gonna find some branded DDR3 1600 sticks and get 8 or 16 gigs of those in two sticks, depending on price.

Cooler: I'll just use the stock cooler for a bit. I wanna let the heat from the credit card cool off a bit first. :laugh:




Yup, my beloved HAF 922 ain't going nowhere. As far as fans go, it has none.

What! :eek:

Hehe, that's because it lives permanently with the side panel off, as I'm always tinkering around inside, so doesn't need fans.
I have built something like five 1155 systems for friends (even though I just do it for fun) and four of them sport an ASUS motherboard! No one of them has encountered issues, just one which had bluescreens with a Vertex 3 drive, I still think that it was the drive SF controller as we know OCZ had some troubles with it.
Both are PCIe 3.0 Ready and that's what matters in terms of future-proofing as I think Ivy Bridge motherboards will not be and should not be called upgrading since the only difference is that they will support USB 3.0 natively... big deal, controllers can do that just fine!
VRMs are strong and willing to squeeze your 2700k so here we are covered ;)

These are the differences between the 2 motherboards

Marvell® PCIe SATA 6Gb/s controller
2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), navy blue
SO! I think that the extra SATA 6Gb/s will come in handy, better have them for a small sum than regretting later and having to purchase an additional PCIe SATA controller!

I like the PCIe configuration a lot, the switch are good because you'll have two 8x @ 3.0 or 16x @ 3.0 that'll be more than enough for the future.

You can't be wrong with ASUS, every single motherboard I've owned lately is from ASUS (R2E and RIVE now)
No disappointments so far! :rockout:

Hope this helps :toast:
 

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#36
That will be a very solid choice. Though being a pro it's really only got 12 relevant vrms. The other 4 are for the igpu. Not that it makes a difference.
Oops, that was a blatant typo! :laugh: Fixed, thankyou. A solid choice, great. :)

I have built something like five 1155 systems for friends (even though I just do it for fun) and four of them sport an ASUS motherboard! No one of them has encountered issues, just one which had bluescreens with a Vertex 3 drive, I still think that it was the drive SF controller as we know OCZ had some troubles with it.
Both are PCIe 3.0 Ready and that's what matters in terms of future-proofing as I think Ivy Bridge motherboards will not be and should not be called upgrading since the only difference is that they will support USB 3.0 natively... big deal, controllers can do that just fine!
VRMs are strong and willing to squeeze your 2700k so here we are covered ;)

These are the differences between the 2 motherboards



SO! I think that the extra SATA 6Gb/s will come in handy, better have them for a small sum than regretting later and having to purchase an additional PCIe SATA controller!

I like the PCIe configuration a lot, the switch are good because you'll have two 8x @ 3.0 or 16x @ 3.0 that'll be more than enough for the future.

You can't be wrong with ASUS, every single motherboard I've owned lately is from ASUS (R2E and RIVE now)
No disappointments so far! :rockout:

Hope this helps :toast:
It does help. And yes, besided the extra SATA, it's got IEEE support which I'll never use, lol.

So you've had direct and good experience with them. That sounds great. :)

Interestingly, the board supports Crossfire & SLI. While I wouldn't buy it specifically for this feature, it does mean that I can play with SLI using my two 8800 Ultras that I got cheaply some time ago. :cool:
 
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I have this Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B CPU cooler at my clocks its 48-50c while playing. I ordered theese for my new build CPU_Intel Core i7 2700K + Asus Maximus IV GENE-Z Z68 + Corsair 8GB KIT PC3-14900 DDR3-1866 CL9 Vengeance .This helpep me to choose the motherboard http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/Maximus_IV_Gene-Z/
 
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I have this Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B CPU cooler at my clocks its 48-50c while playing. I ordered theese for my new build CPU_Intel Core i7 2700K + Asus Maximus IV GENE-Z Z68 + Corsair 8GB KIT PC3-14900 DDR3-1866 CL9 Vengeance .This helpep me to choose the motherboard http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/Maximus_IV_Gene-Z/
But that's an mATX right? I think qubit is looking for a full ATX motherboard
 
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the Pro is a solid choice, I have nothing to add other than that. :)

keep us posted on the system build!
 

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It matches your motherboard colors perfectly, you're going to have a nice build qubit!
Now all you'll need is an heatsink to keep the 2700k cool but that one can wait, you're going to see a giant increase over your old CPU even at stock! :rockout:
 
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gratz for you'r nice build! :)

If i were you i just would change 1 thing, the RAM! Because i like high clocks! xD
I got my 2x4GB 2133Mhz CL11 1.5v kit for ~ 60pound, tweaked it to CL10 and its pretty awesome.

Regarding your cooler, as far as few reviews i see, the noctua coolers look the way to go (low noise and good temps).
LINK - LINK - LINK

I picked the last Cooler Review so you can compare temps with a vast list :b
 
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like i said before, high speed RAM is really not important on SB, so that would be a utter waste of money really.

rather spend them on a ssd, better gpu, or something else
 
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System Name Klean
Processor Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.8GHz
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Cooling be quiet! Dark Rock 3
Memory 16GB (2x8GB) GSkill Rispjaws V 3066Mhz CL15 1T
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#44
like i said before, high speed RAM is really not important on SB, so that would be a utter waste of money really.

rather spend them on a ssd, better gpu, or something else
I know I know, I'm a clock freak, but take a look -> HERE

Latencies are lower and the speed is just... amazing!! I spent ~ 10pound more on the 2133Mhz kit that i wont regreat :b
This is how I see things, and i know you barely notice in real world performance.
 

brandonwh64

Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
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#45
Any update on your build? What board did you end up with?
 
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#46

brandonwh64

Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
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#47
He ordered the P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, it's mentioned some posts above :)
AWWW IM BLIND! *pokes his eyes out!* That is a BADASS board! Cant wait to see more updates!
 

brandonwh64

Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!!
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#49

qubit

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#50
Hold your horses people, I'm building up to a great update! :)

Gimme a bit to finish dinner please, lol.