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trickson

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I have a question that has been bugging me.
I notice that Intel XMP setting are now a "Norm" for Bios settings and RAM timings.
My question is this.
Are RAM / MB manufactures mainly focused on Intel CPU's and improving there performance?
I mean AMD seems to be always fighting for the same speed from the SAME RAM and most (IF not 80%) fall very short of the mark.
Yes I understand the analogy of the big boy gets all the attention but now I see Intel Inside with Intel logo on RAM boxes and MB Boxes Even on AMD MB's! and now even in the AMD MB BIOS, No AMD ready Nothing?

Is it just me or is this just marketing or is it in fact a form market manipulation from Intel. Huge company has huge fingers..
This would at least explain a few things for me.

intel inside.jpg
 
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What do you mean it falls short of the mark?

The extremely high speed bins are only aimed at Intel because of their more mature IMC. AMD seemingly tops out at 3200 to 3600 for most, but it’s getting better as time goes on. I’ve seen a few running 4000 on AMD... but it’s incredibly difficult.
 

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What do you mean it falls short of the mark?

The extremely high speed bins are only aimed at Intel because of their more mature IMC. AMD seemingly tops out at 3200 to 3600 for most, but it’s getting better as time goes on. I’ve seen a few running 4000 on AMD... but it’s incredibly difficult.
Exactly my point.
Intel is the leader so the RAM and MB manufactures are AIMED / designing them around and specifically for Intel CPU's, AMD is the one that has to fight all the time.
Good thing AMD can keep up if Intel takes total control wee will all be feeling it.
 
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It's not really about being a leader or not. The Intel IMC is simply more capable right now. AMD IMCs cant reach Intel IMC speeds. The sticks and the profiles are not really the issue. There are several models across all brands which are for AMD. There not be as many but part of that is because they just cant run as fast. When you are missing the top 1/2 of speeds... kind of cuts off the chance.

Edit: stick to your motherboard qvl and it really doesnt matter what label is on the box. The mobo is certified to work with the sticks (assuming the IMC is capable).

Edit2: AMD has DOCP(asus) and EOCP(giga).
 
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Intel XMP (Intel Extreme Memory Profile) is an implementation designed to make it easy to set your RAM's overclock timings. It was initiated by Intel, in partnership with a number of RAM makers.
The system RAM defaults to a fail-safe default boot setting at first system start-up. These timings are typically very conservative.
After enabling The XMP profile built into your RAM sticks, the manufacturer's known best settings for your particular RAM are applied for the next system boot.
"Known best" takes into consideration many brands of motherboards and CPU combinations as further manual tweaking can get better results with a little trial and error.
 
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I honestly never use XMP :D

Gotta have some fun.. overclocking isn't nearly as fun as it used to be. ;)
 
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I was just thinking (smell smoke?)... wouldn't a motherboard manufacturer, one who sells both AMD and Intel systems (Asus, giga, msi, asrock) be shooting themselves in the foot if they only focused or focused primarily on Intel? Sure, Intel has XMP, but how does this affect AMD? AMD, the board and memory partners work together for compatibility, just as Intel does. Board and memory makers want AMD users to use their boards and sticks, right?

To me, the reality is that if the IMC of the AMD CPU could manage higher speeds, those board partners would do their best to support the highest speed possible. They current;y ARE doing their best to support the highest speed possible. Don't let the cart go before the horse...it isn't really up to the board or memory partners. Ryzen IMC's will really only do, for the most part, up to 3600 MHz whereas Intel 24/7 is up to that 4000+ range (beyond 3600 for AMD and 4000+ for Intel is sketch). So again, AMD certified RAM is missing all the options above 3600 for all intents and purposes so it appears that "AMD RAM" is limited in comparison, but its more a lower ceiling limiting the choice than it is big bad intel or anything else.

Trickson - ...what exact model GSkill sticks do you have, btw?
 
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What do you mean it falls short of the mark?

The extremely high speed bins are only aimed at Intel because of their more mature IMC. AMD seemingly tops out at 3200 to 3600 for most, but it’s getting better as time goes on. I’ve seen a few running 4000 on AMD... but it’s incredibly difficult.
Even 3600 is difficult unless you slack on the timings alot. 3466/CL14 is best case atm.
 
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