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@Chicken Patty - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/CPU_mega_page.html Click on Power Perf. at the top to sort it ascending or descending. That is power/performance ratio. The higher the number, the more efficient the chip is compared to others. As @alucasa mentioned, AMD chips do run a higher than their TDP, problem with that is that they will also produce more heat which may gain a couple extra watts in fans trying to cool them down. With crunching, even a 5w fan running 24/7 can increase your yearly electric bill a few dollars.

As mentioned in another thread, I use a J1900 for my 24/7 crunching. It was rated at 10w, has 4 cores and a benchmark of around 1800. The rig uses 30w when all is said and done. Running 24/7 costs me around $5 a month which is nickles and dimes. It doesn't score me a lot of points, but keeps me in the run. In the winter time, I purposely run high wattage performance machines to heat up some rooms, but that is more off topic.

I too was looking into Ryzen and hoping it was going to bring my numbers up with minimal cost. The Intel i7-7700T is a major consideration of mine for crunching because it is a TDP of 45w and the single thread rating I feel will earn me more points with less runtime where as a Ryzen 7, 5, or threadripper will get me a lot of runtime, but not as many points per Watt. The 7700T benches about 4000 points behind the 65w 1600 and 1700 Ryzen chips, but uses almost half of the electricity when it is all said and done. It is also a couple bucks less than the 1700, but 100 more than the 1600, so doing the math you may break even with a 24/7 run over a matter of years.

I have been doing greener builds since getting my own place and continue to crunch with them. If you have any questions, I have a ton of resources that can help you make the right decision.

I would also recommend you get a watt-o-meter to measure your current rig. They also tell you how many Kwh reached during a full run, which will help you a lot with determining how much you are using now and how much you will be in the future. I purchased mine for $30 on newegg, but calculations it performed already payed for itself in the world of crunching. Also I found it on Amazon for $18 -_-
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009MDBU/?tag=tec06d-20
 
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Low power computing is a funny business.

@The Data Master , while the T version CPUs are certainly a choice. I've looked at Xeon ES ships, mainly 2630L version. V3 has 8c/16t. V4 has 10c/20t at 1.6ghz and 1.7ghz respectively. Their TDP is 70w and 55w also respectively.

Those chips are also a choice. Granted, you will be forced to use a cheap GPU but the output should be a fair higher than 7700T, I believe.
 
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So at the rate you provided above, even at 300W max, the estimate is about $15 a month, or $180 a year. If that's the case, I should be fine adding a rig or two :)

Yeah, for some more perspective;

I used to have a rental situation similar to yours and I hooked up some serious gear, didn't hear one complaint for two years. Then at some point the thermostat went behind locked doors (dont ask why) and my room went cold in winter, so I hooked up one of those ancient electrical heaters rated at 2000w or so... it took literally two months before the landlord knocked on our door :D He showed me the bill increase, which was about 80% higher than it used to be :p
 
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Should have kicked the landlord in Sparta style. :p

Kinda did, because I told him its one or the other: access to thermostat, or electrical heater on his expense.

I kept the heater :)
 

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Low power computing is a funny business.

@The Data Master , while the T version CPUs are certainly a choice. I've looked at Xeon ES ships, mainly 2630L version. V3 has 8c/16t. V4 has 10c/20t at 1.6ghz and 1.7ghz respectively. Their TDP is 70w and 55w also respectively.

Those chips are also a choice. Granted, you will be forced to use a cheap GPU but the output should be a fair higher than 7700T, I believe.

Very true, also the 7700T is 35w TDP. I made a mistake. The Haswell series was 45. They came down 10 over newer generations.

While we are on the topic, in your experience do most Xeons work on Desktop Model boards? That has always been the one thing that pushed me away from the Xeon chip. I was too afraid I would purchase an incompatible board. Especially when you throw ECC and Non-ECC into the mix.
 
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When i used to Crunch my last bill was 600€:kookoo:

I've seen worse with bitcoin miners, but considering those paid for their electrical usage, that number is insane for crunching.
 
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Very true, also the 7700T is 35w TDP. I made a mistake. The Haswell series was 45. They came down 10 over newer generations.

While we are on the topic, in your experience do most Xeons work on Desktop style boards? That has always been the one thing that pushed me away from the Xeon chip. I was too afraid I would purchase an incompatible board. Especially when you throw ECC and Non-ECC into the mix.

The only exception is X99. X99 will accept most Xeons. X99 mobo is pretty cheap nowadays.

1xx, 2xx won't accept any xeons.

ECC RAM is largely depended on CPU rather than board. If a CPU can take ECC, X99 mobo will take ECC.
 
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The only exception is X99. X99 will accept most Xeons. X99 mobo is pretty cheap nowadays.

1xx, 2xx won't accept any xeons.

ECC RAM is largely depended on CPU rather than board. If a CPU can take ECC, X99 mobo will take ECC.

Cool thanks for the info! I am sure @Chicken Patty will find this helpful during his next upgrade as well. I mostly stick with Desktop brand for builds.
 

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For intel system, it's fair easy to figure total TDP as long as it's not OCed.

CPU TDP + Chipset (5w) + other stuff (HDD, PSU efficiency = Add further few watts)

Using iGPU of course. It's always better to use iGPU for crunchers.

I'd really like to build a Ryzen 8 core. Just one rig but a lot of cores. They don't have iGPU but if anything I can add the lowest power consuming cars I can find.
 
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@Chicken Patty - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/CPU_mega_page.html Click on Power Perf. at the top to sort it ascending or descending. That is power/performance ratio. The higher the number, the more efficient the chip is compared to others. As @alucasa mentioned, AMD chips do run a higher than their TDP, problem with that is that they will also produce more heat which may gain a couple extra watts in fans trying to cool them down. With crunching, even a 5w fan running 24/7 can increase your yearly electric bill a few dollars.

As mentioned in another thread, I use a J1900 for my 24/7 crunching. It was rated at 10w, has 4 cores and a benchmark of around 1800. The rig uses 30w when all is said and done. Running 24/7 costs me around $5 a month which is nickles and dimes. It doesn't score me a lot of points, but keeps me in the run. In the winter time, I purposely run high wattage performance machines to heat up some rooms, but that is more off topic.

I too was looking into Ryzen and hoping it was going to bring my numbers up with minimal cost. The Intel i7-7700T is a major consideration of mine for crunching because it is a TDP of 45w and the single thread rating I feel will earn me more points with less runtime where as a Ryzen 7, 5, or threadripper will get me a lot of runtime, but not as many points per Watt. The 7700T benches about 4000 points behind the 65w 1600 and 1700 Ryzen chips, but uses almost half of the electricity when it is all said and done. It is also a couple bucks less than the 1700, but 100 more than the 1600, so doing the math you may break even with a 24/7 run over a matter of years.

I have been doing greener builds since getting my own place and continue to crunch with them. If you have any questions, I have a ton of resources that can help you make the right decision.

I would also recommend you get a watt-o-meter to measure your current rig. They also tell you how many Kwh reached during a full run, which will help you a lot with determining how much you are using now and how much you will be in the future. I purchased mine for $30 on newegg, but calculations it performed already payed for itself in the world of crunching. Also I found it on Amazon for $18 -_-
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009MDBU/?tag=tec06d-20

Wow awesome post. Thank you so much! Investing in a meter would definitely help. This is great. I have a lot of thinking and reading to do.


You guys rock! :rockout: I mean this for everybody that has pitched in with info
 
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Okay, @Norton was closer than I though. I should have known better!
My 4.4 GHz 2600K on the GA-P67A-UD4-B3 with 4GB DDR3-1600, MSI HD7770, Be quiet! SHADOW ROCK SLIM Silent Wings CPU Cooler, 3x 120 mm case fans and a laptop HDD is pulling 174 watts running OZ and OET on Linux. That is being powered by my old faithful (do I dare say that?:oops:) Corsair VX 550, whose efficiency at this load level is in the low 80%'s

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Switched the wattmeter over to my other, non-OC'd 2600K
Differences - MSI Z77A-GD55 motherboard, 8 GB DDR3-1600, H80 CPU cooler on medium setting, no GPU (should only account for ~8 watts) and the PSU is a SEASONIC PLATINUM-760;SS-760XP2
102 watts! (would not have believed that if I hadn't seen it myself)
 
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You can crunch with any rigs i guess but better processor is better processing. What about GPU dors it matter when screen is Closed? Where Do i download the things?
 
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At 31c per kwh we just cant do it here in Aus unless your rich. Otherwise id be more then happy to crunch or even bitcoin it up.
 

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At 31c per kwh we just cant do it here in Aus unless your rich. Otherwise id be more then happy to crunch or even bitcoin it up.
Crunching overnight on a couple of cores set at 60% uses minimal power- we have a Team member that does this with their business PC while away from the office (500 ppd on a Phenom II dual core) ;)
 
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