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What you talking about? AMD overpaid massively for ATI. Without the purchase they'd be in much better shape right now. We'll see with fusion whether it was a good long term purchase (even if it was a rip off).


I think you are wrong! amd needs ati.
 

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AMD bought ATI for $5.4bn of 2006 money. Since then ATI has only been making for AMD in the tens of millions of dollars. If you believe that this cashflow is even close to covering the billion dollar losses AMD are making, you are mistaken.

Nvidia are worth $6.2bn (current money) and an $800mn net income in 2007 (not the same as profit). If you genuinely believe the ati purchase was good for amd, please dont manage a company.

AMD are currently worth $4bn odd, so in theory if they had simply kept the money theyd be worth more atm.
 
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Well not that far, The 4870, in crysis, almost touches the 280gtx at 1900 x 1200 res. with very high settings.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14990/12

And the 4870 x2 beats a single 280gtx in crysis and only 3 fps slower than 2 280gtxs in sli.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15105/5

Why not mentioning "age of conan or grid" where xfire does better than sli.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15105/6
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=4


Erm, in that "Very High" test, the X2 had the same minimum frames, and only four more than the 280. Now four frames is a lot for Crysis, when you're dipping into the low 20s, but if anyone knows anything about Crysis, it's that you can tweak it (using Vista, not the ghetto DX9 'hacks') and adjust it to get the same visuals, and in some cases better, with a lot of anomalies fixed, without having to run a FULL 'very high' system spec. Thus, when you're running solid 30+FPS and still retain Very High Shaders and Post Processing, the 'four' frames that make or break Crysis on stock settings, becomes a moot point. It's all down to minimum frames.

The X2 is supposed to be DOMINATING. Seriously, multi-gpu, with 2GIGS of DDR5...

There's only one game that even needs such power, and that would be Crysis, and it doesn't impress.

I'm still sticking by my initial prediction. That the X2 is a last ditch effort by ATi to take the fabled 'crown,' but is entirely impractical, and only serves to run their 4870 or maybe indirectly their 4850, sales into the ground.

For the amount of power required, heat output, driver dependability and etc. I hardly see why anyone except pure enthusiasts (a.k.a. synthetics) would bother.

If the GTX280 isn't fast 'enough' for someone, than the X2 won't be either, because their demands are simply too high.


My only appreciation for this X2 is that it MIGHT drive prices down on the GT200b, or in some form or another.
 

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Erm, in that "Very High" test, the X2 had the same minimum frames, and only four more than the 280. Now four frames is a lot for Crysis, when you're dipping into the low 20s, but if anyone knows anything about Crysis, it's that you can tweak it (using Vista, not the ghetto DX9 'hacks') and adjust it to get the same visuals, and in some cases better, with a lot of anomalies fixed, without having to run a FULL 'very high' system spec. Thus, when you're running solid 30+FPS and still retain Very High Shaders and Post Processing, the 'four' frames that make or break Crysis on stock settings, becomes a moot point. It's all down to minimum frames.

The X2 is supposed to be DOMINATING. Seriously, multi-gpu, with 2GIGS of DDR5...

There's only one game that even needs such power, and that would be Crysis, and it doesn't impress.

I'm still sticking by my initial prediction. That the X2 is a last ditch effort by ATi to take the fabled 'crown,' but is entirely impractical, and only serves to run their 4870 or maybe indirectly their 4850, sales into the ground.

For the amount of power required, heat output, driver dependability and etc. I hardly see why anyone except pure enthusiasts (a.k.a. synthetics) would bother.

If the GTX280 isn't fast 'enough' for someone, than the X2 won't be either, because their demands are simply too high.


My only appreciation for this X2 is that it MIGHT drive prices down on the GT200b, or in some form or another.


Cryshis is nvidia's game.It doesn't scale well in xfire config.
As you can see a single 4870 gets 20fps vs 25 for the 4870x2.

why not talking about other games?
Or your just a nvidia fanboi?
woow crysis....
well lets test two 280gtxs in call of huarez and see what happens.
The 4870x2 outperforms 2 280gtxs in sli in all the other games.
And that g200b is yet a rumor.So,don't start changing the subject.This thread is about the 4870x2 not nvidia.
Id.
 

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AMD bought ATI for $5.4bn of 2006 money. Since then ATI has only been making for AMD in the tens of millions of dollars. If you believe that this cashflow is even close to covering the billion dollar losses AMD are making, you are mistaken.

Nvidia are worth $6.2bn (current money) and an $800mn net income in 2007 (not the same as profit). If you genuinely believe the ati purchase was good for amd, please dont manage a company.

AMD are currently worth $4bn odd, so in theory if they had simply kept the money theyd be worth more atm.


AMD bought ATI to get the parallel processing technology.Why?
To get a new market where there's no INTEL.
actually, that's not the exact reason
Lately nvidia introduced cuda,"the parallel processing for general processing "And as we saw,The parallel procesing is much faster than the x86 processing in some taskes.
Like in transcoding the 280gtx with a 933 Giga flops/cycle of processing power {processing power is the number of constructions or flops a gpu can handle in a single cycle} was 8 times faster than a QX 9770 clocked at 4GHz.
NVIDIA claims that there are much more areas where the parallel processing can take over easily.
So,We have two types of processing and each one has it's adavantages over the other.
What i meant by changing the battle ground wasn't the gpu market.
AMD is woking at these seconds on the first parallel+x86 processor .
A processor that will include x86 and parallel cores working together to handle everthing much faster than a x86 processor at least in some tasks.So the x86 core will handle the tasks that they are faster at,and the parallel cores will handle tha tasks that the're faster at.
Now,Intel claims that geometry can be handled better via the x86 processing.
you can see it as a battle ground between INTEL and NVIDIA but,It's actually where AMD can win.
I think that we're going to see not only x86+parallel cpus but also
x86+parallel gpus.Easily put as much processing power of each type as it needs to make a gpu or a cpu.
I think,dear brothers,that AMD is going to change the micro processing industry to where it can win.
 

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Cryshis is nvidia's game.It doesn't scale well in xfire config.
As you can see a single 4870 gets 20fps vs 25 for the 4870x2.

why not talking about other games?
Or your just a nvidia fanboi?
woow crysis....
well lets test two 280gtxs in call of huarez and see what happens.
The 4870x2 outperforms 2 280gtxs in sli in all the other games.
And that g200b is yet a rumor.So,don't start changing the subject.This thread is about the 4870x2 not nvidia.
Id.

The 4870 X2 is bad at Crysis right npw since there is no hotfix yet for it, same thing occured for the 3870 X2. in fact, the R700 family hasn't even unleashed their full potential yet! If Nvidia thinks they are gonna get away with GTX200b, then they are even dumber than I thought.
 
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may i ask HOW IN GODs EARTH STILL PLAYS CRYSIS??????????? that game has ended up to be another benchmark program so stop mentioning it all the damn time.PLEASE refer to the games that we DO play and measure the performance of the gpus in those games
 
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may i ask HOW IN GODs EARTH STILL PLAYS CRYSIS??????????? that game has ended up to be another benchmark program so stop mentioning it all the damn time.PLEASE refer to the games that we DO play and measure the performance of the gpus in those games

Well, the thing is, it's a 4870x2. It's given that it's going to play any game with complete ease for the next few months. It's also given that no one needs a card like this to play games, it's only for benchmarking or if you want to hold onto your card for a really long time. As such, Crysis is a practical bench.
 
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why would you honestly say that.

Sub 100 dollar market

9500GT - Soundly trumps the aging 3670

9600GT - Soundly trumps the HD3850

Sub 200

8800GT - Soundly trumps the 3870

9800GTX+ - very competive with the 4850

Also to continue

The 6150 and the new 7050 IGP's are very good IGP's out right now, and while the 6150 is getting old its still a great IGP for all but the most intensive gaming, for a general use IGP its one of the best still, and the 7050 offers a good IGP for intel as well as AMD.

The market share doesnt come from who has the crown but from a few things

who controls the mindshare

who has the faster sub 100 card

who provides the best warranties

who provides the better support

thats what really counts, the 4870 X2 may take the lead, but Nvidia has never sat around and done nothing, I fully expect a 55nm GTX 290 GX2 to arrive simply to reatake the crown and it won't even need to be as fast as the GTX280 SLI it can be a slightly faster GTX260 core and memory and trump the 4870 X2, Nvidia never sits by and gets beaten, its not there style.


As for Crysis i still play online alot, I enjoy it so i do care
 

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um fyi palit GTX 280 is reference; made by foxconn.

Palit cards aren't made by foxconn. Palit has it's own manufacturing plant.
 
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Tons of gamers play Crysis still. They just didn't buy it. They pirated it. Not all of them because that would be insane but a good portion did. It made it run faster with the cracks on the pirated version so can you really blame them though? I am not saying its right or wrong to pirate because thats completely irrelevant. What I am saying is sales estimates will not show you how many people are playing Crysis. I bought it but I use the cracks to play my retail game because the cracks make it run faster/load faster without the DVD checking.

Is Warhead out yet?


Palit cards aren't made by foxconn. Palit has it's own manufacturing plant.

I completely forgot about that. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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Cough- They got their whole carcass handed to them with the FX series.
You can thank ATI at the Time for making them become competitive with the GF6 line.

why would you honestly say that.

Sub 100 dollar market

9500GT - Soundly trumps the aging 3670

9600GT - Soundly trumps the HD3850

Sub 200

8800GT - Soundly trumps the 3870

9800GTX+ - very competive with the 4850

Also to continue

The 6150 and the new 7050 IGP's are very good IGP's out right now, and while the 6150 is getting old its still a great IGP for all but the most intensive gaming, for a general use IGP its one of the best still, and the 7050 offers a good IGP for intel as well as AMD.

The market share doesnt come from who has the crown but from a few things

who controls the mindshare

who has the faster sub 100 card

who provides the best warranties

who provides the better support

thats what really counts, the 4870 X2 may take the lead, but Nvidia has never sat around and done nothing, I fully expect a 55nm GTX 290 GX2 to arrive simply to reatake the crown and it won't even need to be as fast as the GTX280 SLI it can be a slightly faster GTX260 core and memory and trump the 4870 X2, Nvidia never sits by and gets beaten, its not there style.


As for Crysis i still play online alot, I enjoy it so i do care
 
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I think Crysis is a pretty, graphical anomaly with some funky coding . The follow up game is suppose
to run on a $600.00 PC instead of a $600.00 graphics card:laugh:
 

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Palit cards aren't made by foxconn. Palit has it's own manufacturing plant.

Yup, it's in British Virgin islands(?). My older XpertVision box read that factory address.
 
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I think Crysis is a pretty, graphical anomaly with some funky coding . The follow up game is suppose
to run on a $600.00 PC instead of a $600.00 graphics card:laugh:
A $600 graphics card can max Crysis now @_0 Where?!? LoL
(sorry I had to)
 
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Well, the thing is, it's a 4870x2. It's given that it's going to play any game with complete ease for the next few months. It's also given that no one needs a card like this to play games, it's only for benchmarking or if you want to hold onto your card for a really long time. As such, Crysis is a practical bench.

i totally agree with you farlex85 but isnt crysis nvidia optimized?????? so how the hell can you use it as a bench when its not impartial????
 
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i totally agree with you farlex85 but isnt crysis nvidia optimized?????? so how the hell can you use it as a bench when its not impartial????

That's true and a valid point, and when you look at it like that, yes, I agree, Crysis is irrelevant, unless taken w/ that knowledge before hand.
 
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