and just like before, they cant beat nvidias card unless they cram on 2 gpu's.
yeah the point is that 2 ATI GPUs size equals 1GPU of Nvidia

at the same die size ati is up to 80% faster and 10-20% more power hunger
and just like before, they cant beat nvidias card unless they cram on 2 gpu's.
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nope, the 7950GX2 took the DX9 crown![]()
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Pre-release performance evaluations suggest that the Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 model will on an average be 50% faster than the GeForce GTX 280 and in some tests 80% faster. A second model, the HD 4850 X2 (2GB GDDR3 memory, 2x RV770Pro) will also convincingly outperform the GeForce GTX 280. The R700 series will be brought into the market late-July thru August.
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Good good...100+fps in games, just what I need.
But is it going to micro stutter? Is it going to drop from 100fps to 20 everytime your gun goes off?
The only thing the X2 will do, is push 280 prices down. The 280 will become even more of the ultimate gamer's card because it's single solution, and it eliminates the most common stutter issues.
ATi should have been happy with their jump from the 3x series to the 4x series when it comes to performance, and continued to try and push the 'price/performance' appeal for the mass market, using that income to rebuild their dwindling campaign. Now they risk wakening a sleeping dragon.
As I said before, ATi could possibly kill off the appeal for their 4850/70 product line; leaving them with more or less just the 'crown,' which Nvidia will turn around and trump because they have the resources to do so.
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Nice work, I can agree with that. Unfortunately everyone wants the crown. Nvidia has enough going wrong for them right now and they have the resources. If they have been lowballing because of the competition and the 300 series does exist with 45nm and GDDR5 this could just hurt ATI.Good good...100+fps in games, just what I need.
But is it going to micro stutter? Is it going to drop from 100fps to 20 everytime your gun goes off?
The only thing the X2 will do, is push 280 prices down. The 280 will become even more of the ultimate gamer's card because it's single solution, and it eliminates the most common stutter issues.
ATi should have been happy with their jump from the 3x series to the 4x series when it comes to performance, and continued to try and push the 'price/performance' appeal for the mass market, using that income to rebuild their dwindling campaign. Now they risk wakening a sleeping dragon.
As I said before, ATi could possibly kill off the appeal for their 4850/70 product line; leaving them with more or less just the 'crown,' which Nvidia will turn around and trump because they have the resources to do so.
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I was going to buy a HD 2900 XT. Prices sucked compared to a 8800 GTS 640M. Bought the GTS. Then came 8800 GT that outperformed it. Sold the GTS for the same price at which at which 8800 GT could be bought. Got happy with the 8800 GT. Next time in the market if ATI offers the best for my cash, I will buy it, but if NV comes up with something even at the last moment, NV gets my cash.
I agree with that statement 1000%, Choice is the greatest thing on EARTH.
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The person who said "ati sux" edited their post conveniently after I posted mine.
Then I guess your scientific criterion for fair comparison would be that you have to have 2 ASIC GPU's on the same die (to be on the same level as comparing a dual core CPU to a single core CPU) am I right? Is this criterion defined in an ISO standard somewhere? I'd be interested to see that. Maybe HardOCP or Guru3D can begin to use this standard since it's so scientific.
You can never compare technologies like that. The only way you can ever make a fair performance comparison between 2 products is if they are in the same league of price, power consumption, featureset, and requirements. Comparing a "dual GPU" technology to a "single GPU" by implicitly denouncing the former is not a fair means of comparison in ANY standard (except for some of the posters in this thread).
"Cramming 2 GPU's to beat NVIDIA". That statement by itself is enough for any engineer to walk away because it clearly means the speaker knows nothing about ASIC design. Yields, cost, BOM, TDP, complexity... I guess I can throw all those factors away because as far as I know, AMD needs to cram 2 GPU's to beat NVIDIA, that MUST mean NVIDIA is better right?
My input on this matter is done.
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my issue isnt with how its built, or the price, or anything pointed out in your fantastic "lecture", its with the problems inherent with Dual GPU solutions.
granted they have come along way, there are users out there who prefer one gpu to avoid any of those possible issues.
it doesnt really bother me who has the best performance, ill buy it anyway, ima get a 4870x2 for sure. however the day i crave is when either company can get 4870x2/GTX280SLi performance from a single gpu solution, you can never go wrong.
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