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Radeon 7 is Released, What Would You Buy?

Radeon 7 is Released, What Would You Buy?

  • Radeon 7, of course

    Votes: 28 18.8%
  • Lower tier GPUs: Vega64/56, RTX 2070/2060 and etc.

    Votes: 9 6.0%
  • Higher tier GPUs

    Votes: 5 3.4%
  • Nothing, I am good with current GPU

    Votes: 75 50.3%
  • Nothing, I am disappointed with current stack of GPUs

    Votes: 32 21.5%

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Good for you buddy, am I supposed to care about that or what ?
I'm just saying there are still options if you are USA customer and patient with ebay site wide promo codes.
 
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7nm is expensive; 16GB HBM is also expensive. I think at $699 AMD barely makes money. Radeon 7 feels more like a statement than actual competition. Same as Vega and Fury: to show consumers they are still in the high end game.

TBH the limited supply run may also be likely. If you really like AMD then Radeon 7 feels like the final evolution form of GCN. It is probably gonna be the only high end until whatever comes after Navi.

For computing it is kinda hard to say. I had quite a lot of attempts using my old FuryX for OpenCL based genome alignment accleration. When you can get it working it IS VERY FAST. However the learning curve is quite steep and there is not a whole lot of bioinformatician coding in OpenCL that I can get help from. Maybe it would be better for other people using ML or AI. But then again without good Tensorflow support it is another steep learning curve.
 
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For me the correct answer would be "nothing, I am good with current GPU" and "nothing, I am disappointed with current stack of GPUs".

Well i have a GTX 1080 TI, so there Arent really nothing that is wofh replacing it with. RTX 2080 less Vram, more exspensive and performance difference is not the trouble worf it. RTX 2080 TI is way to exspensive and ray tracing cost way to much performance and AMD Radeon VII does not impress me either. Im good with GTX 1080 TI:D
 
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For me the correct answer would be "nothing, I am good with current GPU" and "nothing, I am disappointed with current stack of GPUs".

Well i have a GTX 1080 TI, so there Arent really nothing that is wofh replacing it with. RTX 2080 less Vram, more exspensive and performance difference is not the trouble worf it. RTX 2080 TI is way to exspensive and ray tracing cost way to much performance and AMD Radeon VII does not impress me either. Im good with GTX 1080 TI:D
The 1080ti reminds me of the 8800gtx a bit...

If you bought one when they first came out, you were set for 2.5-3 years, it was still top dog until the GTX 280 came out 2.5 years later.

Until nvidia goes 7nm it probably wont be worthwhile upgrading it.

7nm is expensive; 16GB HBM is also expensive. I think at $699 AMD barely makes money. Radeon 7 feels more like a statement than actual competition. Same as Vega and Fury: to show consumers they are still in the high end game.

TBH the limited supply run may also be likely. If you really like AMD then Radeon 7 feels like the final evolution form of GCN. It is probably gonna be the only high end until whatever comes after Navi.

For computing it is kinda hard to say. I had quite a lot of attempts using my old FuryX for OpenCL based genome alignment accleration. When you can get it working it IS VERY FAST. However the learning curve is quite steep and there is not a whole lot of bioinformatician coding in OpenCL that I can get help from. Maybe it would be better for other people using ML or AI. But then again without good Tensorflow support it is another steep learning curve.
I don't understand why they did that, I am sure they had a good reason to, but 16gb is completely unnecessary at this performance level; I wonder how much they could have saved with just 8gb. A $550 8GB R7 vs a $699 2080 is a solid matchup.
 
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Nvidia’s 7nm flagship will probably be where most 1080Ti owners upgrade. Assuming it wont sell for $2000 by then.
 
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The 1080ti reminds me of the 8800gtx a bit...

If you bought one when they first came out, you were set for 2.5-3 years, it was still top dog until the GTX 280 came out 2.5 years later.

Until nvidia goes 7nm it probably wont be worthwhile upgrading it.
I think you are spot on there. I got my card in july 2017 and GTX 1080 TI where released in march 2017. So i have had my card for around one and a half a year now. RTX 2080/2080 TI released in september last year and with the given rate nvidia releases new gen cards. Replacement for RTX 2000 cards comming earliest by the of 2019 and i will think its properly more plausible with an early 2020 release and with the current prices RTX goes for, im keeping my GTX 1080 TI for sure. Dont be surprized if im still on GTX 1080 TI in 2020 as well. So yeah claiming to keep the card for 3 years seems spot on this time.

If i even get a new card before that, its properly a second GTX 1080 TI for some sli fun:D. Compared to RTX cards, GTX 1080 TI whas really spot on in my oppinion when it released and maybe the bedst highend card nvidia has released. Cheap compared to titan, plenty of vram and still performed very close to titan, but to al most the half price. That is not the case with RTX 2080 TI. Yes its faster than 1080 TI but price is stupid, still same vram zise and i dont need ray tracing.
 
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I had quite a lot of attempts using my old FuryX for OpenCL based genome alignment accleration. When you can get it working it IS VERY FAST. However the learning curve is quite steep and there is not a whole lot of bioinformatician coding in OpenCL.
That's not the fault of AMD, or anyone really. It also doesn't help that the largest GPU provider in the world which is also technically true for OpenCL capable devices, Nvidia, wont support anything past 1.2 and provides zero tools for debugging. If they don't bother to make this environment more usable why would AMD put in the effort ?
 
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That's not the fault of AMD, or anyone really. It also doesn't help that the largest GPU provider in the world which is also technically true for OpenCL capable devices, Nvidia, wont support anything past 1.2 and provides zero tools for debugging. If they don't bother to make this environment more usable why would AMD put in the effort ?
To entice more costumers to their offerings?
 
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To entice more costumers to their offerings?
Exactly, it is a shame all that compute power is wasted because AMD didn't put in enough effort.

I don't understand why they did that, I am sure they had a good reason to, but 16gb is completely unnecessary at this performance level; I wonder how much they could have saved with just 8gb. A $550 8GB R7 vs a $699 2080 is a solid matchup.
The thing is, Vega 20 is a 2096-bit GPU that requires 4 stacks of HBM2.
They can either use 4 stacks of 4GB HBM2, which RX Vega is already using 2x 4GB, or some how source 2GB stacks of HBM2 just to make a single low volume product.
Nothing use 2GB HBM2 in AMD's product stack right now, in fact I am not sure if anyone is using 2GB HBM2 stacks right now.
I doubt it would actually save much cost in the end.
 
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To entice more costumers to their offerings?
It's simply not a burden they should carry exclusively. I reckon they have done enough already.
 
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It's simply not a burden they should carry exclusively. I reckon they have done enough already.
nVidia is in the dominant position right now, it is a conflict of interest for them to support OpenCL more instead of CUDA.
CUDA has the bonus of locking down the market for nVidia so that they can charge whatever they want.

Gonna stick with my 8GB 580. It works fine for my 1080P monitor. Until this thing starts on fire or stops running 1080P well, I'm happy with it.
My Vega 56 did indeed literally went up in flames. o_O
 
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Gonna stick with my 8GB 580. It works fine for my 1080P monitor. Until this thing starts on fire or stops running 1080P well, I'm happy with it.

nVidia is in the dominant position right now, it is a conflict of interest for them to support OpenCL more instead of CUDA.
CUDA has the bonus of locking down the market for nVidia so that they can charge whatever they want.


My Vega 56 did indeed literally went up in flames. o_O
That comes with the territory if you own an AMD GPU. It's an amazing personal space heater.
 
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That's not the fault of AMD, or anyone really. It also doesn't help that the largest GPU provider in the world which is also technically true for OpenCL capable devices, Nvidia, wont support anything past 1.2 and provides zero tools for debugging. If they don't bother to make this environment more usable why would AMD put in the effort ?
It's simply not a burden they should carry exclusively. I reckon they have done enough already.

From the standpoint of us researchers we need relative easier to code/optimize hardware solutions. I mean yeah if I had multiple computer science grad students helping me optimize OpenCL codes then yeah Radeon’s GCN based solution would be wicked good as they ARE faster at hardware level. But i am just by myself and most of my colleagues don’t even know how to use R, let alone coding in OpenCL.

We are spending tax payers dollar so at the end of the day it is also not researchers/users burden to develop more OpenCL based GPGPU application.

I hate to say it, but for us bioinformatics based applications CUDA and Nvidia’s solution “just works”
 
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From the standpoint of us researchers we need relative easier to code/optimize hardware solutions. I mean yeah if I had multiple computer science grad students helping me optimize OpenCL codes then yeah Radeon’s GCN based solution would be wicked good as they ARE faster at hardware level. But i am just by myself and most of my colleagues don’t even know how to use R, let alone coding in OpenCL.

We are spending tax payers dollar so at the end of the day it is also not researchers/users burden to develop more OpenCL based GPGPU application.

I hate to say it, but for us bioinformatics based applications CUDA and Nvidia’s solution “just works”
I keep hearing the same sentiment from the AI crowd.

They're there to solve a problem, not to spend all day trying to get the hardware to run.
 
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I keep hearing the same sentiment from the AI crowd.

They're there to solve a problem, not to spend all day trying to get the hardware to run.
Yes exactly this.

Similarly this is also why I have built multiple threadripper system for multiple molecular biology labs. The performance brought on by TR is simiply unmatchable for thr price we pay. TR CPU needs no coding optimization. As everything is already done at compiler level and our python script just works right off the line. Plug in CPU plug in ram. Then install Linux and off we go! 0 minutes wasted on getting things working.
 
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Nvidia’s 7nm flagship will probably be where most 1080Ti owners upgrade. Assuming it wont sell for $2000 by then.
I'm a bit pissed about the price inflation but AMD's response is pretty shit tbh. For years, people supported AMD for 'keeping it real' but they tried to go toe-to-toe with Nvidia on pricing (Fury X, Vega 64) and now they're doing the same with their top tier card that's not as good as a 2080ti. They've thrown the towel in on the value proposition which is pretty poor. It's as if they're trying to emulate the CPU sector where, arguably, Intel has reacted fairly aggressively (I can now buy an 8/16 core/thread Intel CPU for £470- used to be £900). Except Nvidia hasn't done the same, so AMD is stuck with lower rate GPU at a price matched comparison with Nvidia's 2nd (or 3rd including Titan RTX) best GPU.

Personally, I only recreationally game*, so I won't pay more than £700-800 for an awesome GPU. Radeon 7 is NOT that GPU.

*mid-forties, so too middling to be good at multiplayer or as is often the case - too drunk to hit anything.
 
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I'm a bit pissed about the price inflation but AMD's response is pretty shit tbh. For years, people supported AMD for 'keeping it real' but they tried to go toe-to-toe with Nvidia on pricing (Fury X, Vega 64) and now they're doing the same with their top tier card that's not as good as a 2080ti. They've thrown the towel in on the value proposition which is pretty poor. It's as if they're trying to emulate the CPU sector where, arguably, Intel has reacted fairly aggressively (I can now buy an 8/16 core/thread Intel CPU for £470- used to be £900). Except Nvidia hasn't done the same, so AMD is stuck with lower rate GPU at a price matched comparison with Nvidia's 2nd (or 3rd including Titan RTX) best GPU.

Personally, I only recreationally game*, so I won't pay more than £700-800 for an awesome GPU. Radeon 7 is NOT that GPU.

*mid-forties, so too middling to be good at multiplayer or as is often the case - too drunk to hit anything.
If you also include computing tasks, there is also "Poor Volta" which is just strait up better in FP32 and FP64 than Radeon 7, brute force or not.
It also has a good amount of HBM2 which everyone seems to think that it automatically means anything except memory bandwidth.
So yes that would make Radeon 7 compete with nVidia's 4th best GPU.
 
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I'm a bit pissed about the price inflation but AMD's response is pretty shit tbh. For years, people supported AMD for 'keeping it real' but they tried to go toe-to-toe with Nvidia on pricing (Fury X, Vega 64) and now they're doing the same with their top tier card that's not as good as a 2080ti. They've thrown the towel in on the value proposition which is pretty poor. It's as if they're trying to emulate the CPU sector where, arguably, Intel has reacted fairly aggressively (I can now buy an 8/16 core/thread Intel CPU for £470- used to be £900). Except Nvidia hasn't done the same, so AMD is stuck with lower rate GPU at a price matched comparison with Nvidia's 2nd (or 3rd including Titan RTX) best GPU.

Personally, I only recreationally game*, so I won't pay more than £700-800 for an awesome GPU. Radeon 7 is NOT that GPU.

*mid-forties, so too middling to be good at multiplayer or as is often the case - too drunk to hit anything.
The Radeon 7 also confused me for that reason. It seems to go against everything they've tried to accomplish with the RX, TR, and Ryzen stuff. Realistically, R7 should cost $400 with higher end variants coming out down the road. $700 for that card is insane.
 
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The Radeon 7 also confused me for that reason. It seems to go against everything they've tried to accomplish with the RX, TR, and Ryzen stuff. Realistically, R7 should cost $400 with higher end variants coming out down the road. $700 for that card is insane.
TBH it wouldn't feel so awkward if they even price it at $649 or something.
But no, they have to price it toe to toe with the 2080 which is already regarded to be very overpriced.
The fact that Turing does all everything Vega does and has extra gimmicks stack on top doesn't help as well.

Lisa Su spend an entire hour repeating the word gaming 100x, but in the end we got a compute card with no Pro drivers? o_O

It seems to be they priced it at $699 because they figured if Nvidia could do it, they could too which is incredibly disappointing. Problem is, I don't think the RTX cards (aside from probably the 2060) are all that popular and have only served to hurt their reputation in large part because of the insane price. This is a terrible time in the history of gaming to be asking people to pay that much for a video card.
Again, for gaming there is nothing that the Radeon 7 offers, that the 2080 does not already offer months ago.
It is odd that AMD figures that it is fine to sell a card that is as expensive as nVidia's overpriced offerings but with less features.

AMD did a better marketing job for nVidia then even nVidia marketing team can come up with.
 
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TBH it wouldn't feel so awkward if they even price it at $649 or something.
But no, they have to price it toe to toe with the 2080 which is already regarded to be very overpriced.
It seems to be they priced it at $699 because they figured if Nvidia could do it, they could too which is incredibly disappointing. Problem is, I don't think the RTX cards (aside from probably the 2060) are all that popular and have only served to hurt their reputation in large part because of the insane price. This is a terrible time in the history of gaming to be asking people to pay that much for a video card.

TBH it wouldn't feel so awkward if they even price it at $649 or something.
But no, they have to price it toe to toe with the 2080 which is already regarded to be very overpriced.
The fact that Turing does all everything Vega does and has extra gimmicks stack on top doesn't help as well.

Lisa Su spend an entire hour repeating the word gaming 100x, but in the end we got a compute card with no Pro drivers? o_O
Sure, higher profit margin.
 
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Without actual reviews to see, this question may be a little too soon to ask.
In theory, I've always found myself rooting for the underdog, AMD.
This can result in diminishing returns as we experienced with Bulldozer and others, but supporting AMD has always been a necessary counterpoint to Intel and NVIDIA's monopolistic tendencies.
We all know what happens without any meaningful competition in the marketplace.

The success of Ryzen I and II was gratifying to me and I hope for more of the same.
Even if this VII GPU doesn't damage NVIDIA's stranglehold on the market, I'll buy a few of them, just to support AMD efforts.
 
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Without actual reviews to see, this question may be a little too soon to ask.
In theory, I've always found myself rooting for the underdog, AMD.
This can result in diminishing returns as we experienced with Bulldozer and others, but supporting AMD has always been a necessary counterpoint to Intel and NVIDIA's monopolistic tendencies.
We all know what happens without any meaningful competition in the marketplace.

The success of Ryzen I and II was gratifying to me and I hope for more of the same.
Even if this VII GPU doesn't damage NVIDIA's stranglehold on the market, I'll buy a few of them, just to support AMD efforts.
At least for me it's not so much the performance of the R7, but the price point. I think that's why people are so disappointed.
 
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It's very interesting even at the price point it is, the 2080 here in the UK still costs more, If I was buying a new GPU it'd be a radeon 7. However I'm happy with my 1080ti ftw3 and I've just put it under a alphacool nexxos waterblock.
 
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At least for me it's not so much the performance of the R7, but the price point. I think that's why people are so disappointed.
AMD prices seem to adjust after release. I believe it will happen again.
 
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