Radeon extremely low market share, only 8% in Q3 2022?

[ARF]

What part dont you like about the adaptor?

Looking at it, it obviously doesn't provoke any level of confidence.
Rule number 1: something that is proven to be working well, you don't touch and you don't change, even less so with unproven experiments.

 

[Super XP]

how is that in any way related to the topic, the low market share on the GPU segment?

it's like saying Samsung bussiness of selling ice in Alaska is good because they are selling a lot of TV's

I'm surprised you are even asking such a question. I do recall "Replying" to ARF's bankruptcy comment.
i.e. "Things are looking very grim for AMD - bankruptcy just in sight?"

Things are NOT looking grim for AMD - No bankruptcy is not in sight, claiming otherwise is a figment of the imagination.

 

[ARF]

I'm surprised you are even asking such a question. I do recall "Replying" to ARF's bankruptcy comment.
i.e. "Things are looking very grim for AMD - bankruptcy just in sight?"

Things are NOT looking grim for AMD - No bankruptcy is not in sight, claiming otherwise is a figment of the imagination.

Yes, but will be very sad if AMD loses even the small market share it currently possess - only 8% and no outlook to be improved.
Actually, the threats are higher now both with Intel new graphics products Arc line and nvidia.

 

[fevgatos]

Looking at it, it obviously doesn't provoke any level of confidence.
Rule number 1: something that is proven to be working well, you don't touch and you don't change, even less so with unproven experiments.

Really? I have it next to the cablemod cable and they look pretty similar.

Nvidia didnt change the plugs, pciesig did. Its silly to release a brand new gpu without the 16pin cause most of the psus will have 16pins and not the traditional 8pins.

 

[wolf]

Any card can pull over 600 watts. That doesn't really mean anything.

Like the 6900XT that spikes over 600w, with 2x8Pin no less... and in TPU's own testing. Vya is unreachable man, it never ceases to astound me how people are so confidently incorrect.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

What part dont you like about the adaptor? I have them side by side with the insanely expensive cable mod cable, dont really notice any difference

The length.

The buss barr bit inside that to me is mental.

The look of it.

It's as tidy as a sparrows nest.

IMHO.

No difference? An adaptor with three to four cables verses one?!

Open your eyes then.

 

[fevgatos]

The length.

The buss barr bit inside that to me is mental.

The look of it.

It's as tidy as a sparrows nest.

IMHO.

No difference? An adaptor with three to four cables verses one?!

Open your eyes then.

So your problem is it needs 4 cables instead of 1. Great, can you tell me how exactly can nvidia make an adapter with 1 cable that fits PSUs from various brands? You realize that can't happen right? My cablemod is only one cable cause I bought it specifically for my PSU

Regardless, you werent meant to keep the adapter with all the cablemess it creates. It was meant as a temporarily solution until PSU manafacturers started shipping their own cables.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I am talking about the narrative that exists on social media that Nvidia is in every way better than Nvidia and therefore worth extra investment. Just wait for it and someone will repsond to this about Ray Tracing and DLSS being worth it.

Ohh ok. I thought you meant the narrative that people aren't buying GeForce cards because they're pretty bad value compared to Radeon. I had thought that the narrative you were talking about was more or less moot at this point so it didn't even register. Now I get what you meant.

 

[Pumper]

AMD is under some questionable leadership lately, they spent their 8bil cash surplus on stock buyback in sep 2022 instead of bostering their QA and driver departments.

nvidia will spend 15B this year on stock buybacks, so I guess they are doubly questionable.

 

[nguyen]

nvidia will spend 15B this year on stock buybacks, so I guess they are doubly questionable.

Nvidia has functional QA and drivers department .

AMD is making their customers alpha testers of some sort, maybe suitable for bargain bin products, but not premium ones.

 

[Super XP]

Yes, but will be very sad if AMD loses even the small market share it currently possess - only 8% and no outlook to be improved.
Actually, the threats are higher now both with Intel new graphics products Arc line and nvidia.

AMD is doing just fine and growing its market share steadily. People tend to forget AMD has contracts for Microsoft's XBOX Series X, Steam Deck, Playstation 5, OneX Player, OneX Player 2 etc., on top of its CPU, GPU and Server business. AMD has always been the underdog in the CPU, GPU, Server business, and its been claimed 100s of times in the last 30+ years that AMD is going to go bankrupt. Yet here we are

Ohh ok. I thought you meant the narrative that people aren't buying GeForce cards because they're pretty bad value compared to Radeon. I had thought that the narrative you were talking about was more or less moot at this point so it didn't even register. Now I get what you meant.

GeForce cards have been historically bad value compared to Radeon for decades. But both companies are to blame for unnecessary price increases per gen.

 

[ARF]

AMD is doing just fine and growing its market share steadily. People tend to forget AMD has contracts for Microsoft's XBOX Series X, Steam Deck, Playstation 5, OneX Player, OneX Player 2 etc., on top of its CPU, GPU and Server business. AMD has always been the underdog in the CPU, GPU, Server business, and its been claimed 100s of times in the last 30+ years that AMD is going to go bankrupt. Yet here we are

I don't care about PlayStation 5 and the consoles in general, so that if AMD abandons the GFX discrete market, it would be a disaster for me.

AMD is doing just fine and growing its market share steadily.

I believe in the unicorns, they are so nice creatures...

 

[Avro Arrow]

AMD is doing just fine and growing its market share steadily. People tend to forget AMD has contracts for Microsoft's XBOX Series X, Steam Deck, Playstation 5, OneX Player, OneX Player 2 etc., on top of its CPU, GPU and Server business. AMD has always been the underdog in the CPU, GPU, Server business, and its been claimed 100s of times in the last 30+ years that AMD is going to go bankrupt. Yet here we are

That danger only really existed between 2014 and 2016. I'm well aware that they own the console market but I'm also sure that their profit margins on the APUs used in Playstations and Xboxes are razor-thin. I'm not concerned that Radeon will cease to exist, I'm concerned that Radeon video cards will stop being available to PC gamers because there's no point in producing something if nobody wants to buy it.

GeForce cards have been historically bad value compared to Radeon for decades. But both companies are to blame for unnecessary price increases per gen.

Sure, but saying it that way creates a false equivalency. Do I think that both companies are to blame for the higher prices? To just say yes is overly-simplistic when the truth is far more nuanced and has more involved than just those two companies.

The #1 cause of increased video card prices is neither nVidia nor AMD. It is the mindless masses who are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money because our Neo-Liberal Capitalist society has programmed consumerism into their brains. They are to blame because if they weren't willing to pay that kind of money, neither nVidia nor AMD could do a thing about it. Proof of this is how the RX 7900 XT, RTX 4080 and RTX 4080 Ti cards are gathering dust on store shelves. The fools with more money than brains (usually trust-fund babies) ONLY want the RTX 4090 and the people who want halo-level cards with good value only want the RX 7900 XTX.

Now, nVidia is the one who started with these astronomical prices so while I don't really blame either company, they are MORE to blame than AMD. However, it's hard to really blame nVidia because business is business and if the market will bear their higher prices, they'd be insane not to do it.

AMD is less guilty than nVidia but are by no means blameless because nobody held a gun to their heads and said "follow nVidia's lead". However, far too often and for far too long, this scenario has played out:

1.) A consumer wants to purchase a video card.
2.) A new GeForce line is released with insanely high prices.
3.) The consumer can't afford what nVidia is charging for their GeForce cards.
4.) A new Radeon line is released with far lower prices than their GeForce counterparts.
5.) GeForce cards get a price cut but they're still more expensive than Radeon cards.
6.) Despite being a worse value, the consumer still buys a GeForce card at the lower price that AMD forced.
7.) GeForce cards sell out at the prices that nVidia lowered them to even though they're still a bad value.
7.) Radeon cards only sell-out when put on sale despite being better values from the start while GeForce cards sell-out far faster.

Who can blame AMD for finally saying "screw it" and raising pricing their cards much closer to nVidia's initial offerings? - Not me.

The ultimate blame for our current situation lies with consumers because it is they who are "the invisible hand" of any capitalist marketplace. If they can't control themselves, then "the invisible hand" becomes useless. This is what has happened here, plain and simple. AMD tried over and over again to appeal to the logical side of people's brains, the one that says "The more I can get for my money, the better." but consumerism has short-circuited that logical side. It's to the point now that AMD won't bother trying to undercut nVidia significantly because too many consumers have demonstrated over and over that it doesn't matter how cheap Radeon cards are, they'll just buy GeForce cards anyway. Since their previous tactic of trying to appeal to the consumer's rational side has failed, AMD's only other option is to do what they're now doing.

In any case, while I think Jensen Huang is a greedy snake, his greed is enabled by consumers buying his cards no matter what. Therefore, consumers have shown him that his greedy practices are the correct practices because consumers have become a bunch of self-centred and overly-entitled babies who stopped caring about corporate ethics long ago. We can't complain about the current video card market landscape because it is WE CONSUMERS who made it this way, nobody else. Remember that gaming at 4K is not, nor has it ever been, a NEED. The market has become greedy because the consumers have become greedy. Just think of the snowflakes who cry that anything less than 120fps at 4K with RT set to ultra makes gaming unbearable. Is it any wonder that we're where we are now?

 

[ARF]

The consumers do respond, actually.

Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low​

By Anton Shilov
published 15 days ago
The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

Why nvidia sells more than AMD - because AMD's efforts for marketing and partners relations are weaker than nvidia's.
Why does nvidia sell, and AMD doesn't? Because the consumer is taught that way..

 

[maxfly]

The consumers do respond, actually.

Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low​

By Anton Shilov
published 15 days ago
The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

Why nvidia sells more than AMD - because AMD's efforts for marketing and partners relations are weaker than nvidia's.
Why does nvidia sell, and AMD doesn't? Because the consumer is taught that way..

Everything PC is bottoming out. This is just one of many stories showing how sales are bottoming out. GPUs, memory, nand everything is suffering and is projected to continue the downward spiral.

Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments Declined 28.5% in Fourth Quarter of 2022 and 16.2% for the Year

Worldwide PC shipments totaled 65.3 million units in the fourth quarter of 2022, a 28.5% decrease from the fourth quarter of 2021, according to preliminary results by Gartner, Inc.

www.gartner.com

 

[Vya Domus]

how is that in any way related to the topic, the low market share on the GPU segment?

Because at the end of the day money is all that matters.

For instance I doubt Ferrari is complaining because they don't comprise the majority of car sales.

Vya is unreachable man, it never ceases to astound me how people are so confidently incorrect.

I invite you to point out where I was incorrect about anything, I'll take silence as an inability to do so btw.

 

[ARF]

The problem is Radeon RX 6500 XT. 4 GB over 64 bits over PCIe 4.0 x4, no hardware acceleration for YouTube videos, and price up to 280 euros in Europe

This is a very bad offer and many people simply avoid it.
I guess AMD has no offers which can make people willing to buy today.

 

[kapone32]

The problem is Radeon RX 6500 XT. This is a very bad offer and many people simply avoid it.
I guess AMD has no offers which can make people willing to buy today.

Do you have one to substantiate that claim?

 

[ARF]

Do you have one to substantiate that claim?

No, garbage I don't buy

Look the feedback:

TimeStamps: 0:00 intro 0:55 RX 6500 XT Unboxing 1:59 Radeon 6500 XT First Look 3:50 RX 6500 XT Specs & Overview 4:39 Test Bench Setup used 5:00 6500XT Gaming Benchmarks 8:54 Why it sucks? 9:52 Price & Conclusion

 

[maxfly]

Do you have one to substantiate that claim?

Right. I know of far more people buying 6000 series cards than anything else for the last 2 or 3 months. Including the 4000 and 7000 series cards. Price to performance 6000 series is king right now.
And nobody cared or cares about the 6500xt dude. Why Would you watch the entire thing Arf? Glutton for punishment or what? Lol

 

[kapone32]

No, garbage I don't buy

Look the feedback:

TimeStamps: 0:00 intro 0:55 RX 6500 XT Unboxing 1:59 Radeon 6500 XT First Look 3:50 RX 6500 XT Specs & Overview 4:39 Test Bench Setup used 5:00 6500XT Gaming Benchmarks 8:54 Why it sucks? 9:52 Price & Conclusion

Youtube Videos? Really. Does the Video say that you can OC the GPU to almost 3 GHZ, Does it tell you the Memory will OC to 2400 MHz? If you did all of those things and then took the card apart you would marvel at how so small a chip it is. Then you have to factor in when it was released that I got mine for $229 at time when 3060s were $600 and 1660s were $400. The Nvidia card at that price range is the 1030. Please tell me that you think the 1030 is a better card than the 6500XT. Do me a favour instead of watching a Youtube video go on Newegg or Amazon and read user reviews of people who bought them.

 

[ARF]

If you did all of those things and then took the card apart you would marvel at how so small a chip it is.

That's exactly why it sucks. I want a big chip with more capabilities for this price. I don't care how much nvidia puts its... I don't buy them either !

 

[Vya Domus]

The problem is Radeon RX 6500 XT. This is a very bad offer and many people simply avoid it.
I guess AMD has no offers which can make people willing to buy today.

Yeah they can go to Nvidia and buy...uhm. Oh that's right nothing, Nvidia hasn't released anything in that price range for like 5 years.

 

[eidairaman1]

Nvidia has functional QA and drivers department .

AMD is making their customers alpha testers of some sort, maybe suitable for bargain bin products, but not premium ones.

Erm nv has been doing alpha testing with customers for some time now, so quit the fud

 

[maxfly]

That's exactly why it sucks. I want a big chip with more capabilities for this price. I don't care how much nvidia puts its... I don't buy them either !

You want vaporware.