Radeon extremely low market share, only 8% in Q3 2022?

[ARF]

RX 6500 XT is the worst - it is useless for a media PC, in this regard the GTX 1650 is much more potent and runs video smoothly via hardware acceleration.

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Basically, RX 6500 XT is limited to very specific use cases - if you have a PCIe 2.0 or PCIe 3.0 motherboard, you will see even lower (20-30% lower?) gaming performance because of the limited 4 PCIe lanes.
RX 6500 XT is a useless product with a wrong market positioning - its place should be taken by a further cut-down RX 6600, while it must be EOLed for the sake AMD stops embarrassing itself.

 

[Avro Arrow]

400 for such an old card now, no thanks.

I couldn't agree more.

The GTX is even worse. I believe the real culprit is how the RX 5500 XT is faster than the RX 6500 XT. One would expect a next gen would perform 1.5x to 2x better with the same naming scheme. Anyhow its deception by both companies.

I agree. I think that it was a result of the silicon shortage. AMD was releasing whatever they could come up with but they should have had a level-5 card in the roadmap to begin with. The result was a terrible value, but people need to know that regardless of how bad a value the RX 6500 XT, it's not the worst out there and that it's still a far better option than the GTX 1650.

Sure, these cards aren't the least bit sexy so they get ignored for the most part. The problem though is that for a lot of people, not being able to get something better is their reality and those people deserve to be informed just as much as those of us who game at the high-end.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

The 6500 XT wouldn't exisit without the pandemic because of the asinie Nvidia prices for a GTX 1650 at $500 at one point.
Does the 6500 XT beat Any of AMD's APU's ?

 

[kapone32]

The 6500 XT wouldn't exisit without the pandemic because of the asinie Nvidia prices for a GTX 1650 at $500 at one point.
Does the 6500 XT beat Any of AMD's APU's ?

With ease

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

With ease

Then Apu's still suck.

 

[kapone32]

Then Apu's still suck.

Well yes and no. The issue I have with the 6500XT is what you read on TPU vs User reviews on Newegg and Amazon are completely opposite to each other.

 

[Avro Arrow]

The 6500 XT wouldn't exisit without the pandemic because of the asinie Nvidia prices for a GTX 1650 at $500 at one point.
Does the 6500 XT beat Any of AMD's APU's ?

Don't forget also that the GTX 1650 costs the same as the RX 6500 XT but it even gets beat by the less expensive RX 6400. The GTX 1650 gets absolutely ramrodded by the RX 6500 XT because for the same price, the RX 6500 XT is 39% faster. Yet we have the GTX 1650, a card with HORRIBLE value, as the most common card on Steam. I honestly don't think that people go out and buy this card as much as it's probably included in prebuilt PCs that are marketed as "gaming PCs" to the uninformed masses by the likes of Dell and HP.

Then Apu's still suck.

That depends on your definition of "suck" because you have to take the laws of physics into account. Video cards are GIGANTIC compared to CPUs with big coolers and draw huge amounts of power compared to the IGP mounted to an APU. The fastest consumer-grade x86 APU in the world, the R7-5700G, shows an absolute peak power draw of 88W in AnandTech's tests. That's for BOTH the 8-core CPU AND the Vega 8 IGP. There's not a chance in hell that they'd ever be able to match a real video card that draws at least 75W+ by itself (let alone the ones that draw more) has a gigantic cooler compared to a CPU cooler and doesn't have to share a die with CPU cores that also generate heat. For an APU to not appear to suck in that test would be a miracle. Unfortunately for people who seem to believe in miracles, the laws of physics tend to prevent miracles from occurring. If you're a GPU that sips tiny amounts of power, share a die with CPU cores and have to share a single fan and heatsink with those CPU cores there's not a chance in hell that your performance would match that of a dedicated video card. Your best and only hope is that you're "good enough" that the end user is satisfied.

Remember also that AMD APUs were good enough for two generations of gaming consoles. I would say that they suck compared to actual desktop video cards but where they really shine is in craptops. Also remember that AMD APUs absolutely mop the floor with any IGP made by Intel. I actually have an example of AMD's first APU, Llano. As I remember, it was an absolute game-changer when it came out. Sure, at the same price point, the AMD CPU cores (essentially Phenom II cores) were a bit inferior to the competing Intel offerings, but the Radeon HD 6620G IGP was an order of magnitude better than the competing Intel IGP and the power efficiency was out of this world for its time. Back in 2011, on my "consumer grade" Acer Aspire A5560 with an A8-3500M APU, I could play SKYRIM at 720p with medium settings and it looked just fine on the 15.6" monitor. That craptop cost me only $500CAD and there wasn't an Intel craptop in existence that could match that feat for less than double that price. It was this review from Tom's Hardware that prompted me to buy it. This was back when Tom's Hardware was REALLY Tom's Hardware instead of the bastardised parody of a tech site that it is today because Don Roligroski's review was spot-on.

Well yes and no. The issue I have with the 6500XT is what you read on TPU vs User reviews on Newegg and Amazon are completely opposite to each other.

That's just fake reviews vs. fake reviews. I don't think that anyone worth their salt pays attention to those. It would be like taking LoserBenchmark seriously or blindly believing everything you read on WCCFTech.

 

[fevgatos]

Offtopic but since it was discussed a few pages back - about the terrible 16pin nvidia adapter, now we have cablemods 16pins melting as well....

As i was saying all along, its not an Nvidia problem.

 

[Assimilator]

Offtopic but since it was discussed a few pages back - about the terrible 16pin nvidia adapter, now we have cablemods 16pins melting as well....

As i was saying all along, its not an Nvidia problem.

Source?

 

[fevgatos]

Source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/10eyyfm
After investigating further, all kinds of 16pins have melted, even the ones provided with atx3 power supplies. As ive said, totally nothing to do with nvidia and their adapters.

 

[Vya Domus]

Yeah totally nothing to do with Nvidia.

Just the fact that their cards are the only ones that need the adapters which melt, other than that, nothing to do with them. Just buy it bro, don't worry about the smell of smoldering plastic, forum dwellers say it's not thier problem so it's all cool. Well, it's not cool, quite the opposite, have an extinguisher nearby.

I wonder if Nvidia gives out rebates for all these GPUs that need replacement which are technically not covered for this sort of damage, knowing how they treat their business partners I kind of doubt it, they're gonna stop doing it at some point.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/10eyyfm
After investigating further, all kinds of 16pins have melted, even the ones provided with atx3 power supplies. As ive said, totally nothing to do with nvidia and their adapters.

Start a f£#@£#@ thread wtaf has Nvidia's 12pin melting poorly implemented cable connector got to do with this thread, you necrosed a shitposting thread to get us all back on your OFF TOPIC.

 

[fevgatos]

Yeah totally nothing to do with Nvidia.

Just the fact that their cards are the only ones that need the adapters which melt, other than that, nothing to do with them. Just buy it bro, don't worry about the smell of smoldering plastic, forum dwellers say it's not thier problem so it's all cool. Well, it's not cool, quite the opposite, have an extinguisher nearby.

I wonder if Nvidia gives out rebates for all these GPUs that need replacement which are technically not covered for this sort of damage, knowing how they treat their business partners I kind of doubt it, they're gonna stop doing it at some point.

If you google pcie 8pins melting you'll get results with the normal 8pins burning up as well. Only amd cards use those 8pins nowadays that burn, but nothing to do with amd right?

Your post is so silly words can't describe. All cables, if not installed properly, melt.

 

[Dirt Chip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/10eyyfm
After investigating further, all kinds of 16pins have melted, even the ones provided with atx3 power supplies. As ive said, totally nothing to do with nvidia and their adapters.

Indeed of topic and look's like a different issue, there is a good thread for that already.

PSA: Don't Just Arm-wrestle with 16-pin 12VHPWR for Cable-Management, It Will Burn Up

There's people building pc's, newcomers and old timers, every day. The old 8 pin has none of this issues, and there should be millions of them in use at any time. Versus a new product, with relatively few adopters (a drop of water in the ocean of 8 pin's) and with so many cases in so little...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Vya Domus]

All cables, if not installed properly, melt.

Except it has been shown in videos how difficult it is to tell if the connector is plugged all the way in, there is no click, no feedback. Users supposedly know about this, yet this stuff keeps happening.

The bottom of the line is that it's a garbage contraption which only Nvidia cards need at the time of writing this. You can be sure that if AMD cards will begin to require the same shitty adapters at some point in the future and connectors will start to melt I will be just as critical of their idiotic choice.

 

[Super XP]

Then Apu's still suck.

APUs serve an important market segment. They are quite valuable IMO.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Offtopic but since it was discussed a few pages back - about the terrible 16pin nvidia adapter, now we have cablemods 16pins melting as well....

As i was saying all along, its not an Nvidia problem.

Since ONLY GeForce cards use these connectors, how is it not an nVidia problem? That sounds like the very definition of an nVidia problem to me! I mean, sure, the problem is with the connectors themselves but since nVidia chose to use them (when they really weren't necessary in the first place, as demonstrated by their lack of existence on Radeon cards), when it comes to video cards, that TOTALLY makes it an nVidia problem!

If you google pcie 8pins melting you'll get results with the normal 8pins burning up as well. Only amd cards use those 8pins nowadays that burn, but nothing to do with amd right?

Your post is so silly words can't describe. All cables, if not installed properly, melt.

Your post is the one that's off-topic and has nothing to do with anything except maybe how much of an nVidia fanboy you are. Despite all of that, you think that you're in a good position to be calling someone else's post silly? Man, that's rich!

Except it has been shown in videos how difficult it is to tell if the connector is plugged all the way in, there is no click, no feedback. Users supposedly know about this, yet this stuff keeps happening.

The bottom of the line is that it's a garbage contraption which only Nvidia cards need at the time of writing this. You can be sure that if AMD cards will begin to require the same shitty adapters at some point in the future and connectors will start to melt I will be just as critical of their idiotic choice.

I couldn't agree more. I hate nVidia but I'm no AMD fanboy and would happily crap all over them if they tried pulling this same stunt. Truth be told, I actually breathed a sigh of relief when I saw that Radeons would still have normal PCI-E supplementary power connectors. These 12-pin oddballs are just another needless gimmick from nVidia to get more money out of you, like buying an RTX 2060 Ti and trying to use it with RT.

 

[Super XP]

I'm new to this major issue, never knew it existed till venturing through this thread. So for the Nvidia owners of these particular GPUs, when this eventually happens, what is the recourse? Warranty? Because it looks to me that the Power Supply and possibly the motherboard also gets damages NO?

Wow this is ridiculous lol

 

[A Computer Guy]

I'm new to this major issue, never knew it existed till venturing through this thread. So for the Nvidia owners of these particular GPUs, when this eventually happens, what is the recourse? Warranty? Because it looks to me that the Power Supply and possibly the motherboard also gets damages NO?

Wow this is ridiculous lol

The big takeaway is you need to make sure the connector is fully latched. If it's not it can creep out and create a poor connection.

 

[Super XP]

The big takeaway is you need to make sure the connector is fully latched. If it's not it can creep out and create a poor connection.

Makes total sense.

 

[ARF]

AMD has the top seller, at least in the German mindfactory...

• Radeon RX 7900 XT: 1865 Units Sold
• GeForce RTX 4070 Ti: 1755 Units Sold
• GeForce RTX 4080: 1625 Units Sold
• GeForce RTX 4090: 1510 Units Sold
• Radeon RX 7900 XTX: 1170 Units Sold

The German market is more open to AMD products than Intel and NVIDIA

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti & AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT Are The Best Selling GPUs From Each Camp At Germany's Largest Retailer (wccftech.com)

 

[Avro Arrow]

I'm new to this major issue, never knew it existed till venturing through this thread. So for the Nvidia owners of these particular GPUs, when this eventually happens, what is the recourse? Warranty? Because it looks to me that the Power Supply and possibly the motherboard also gets damages NO?

Wow this is ridiculous lol

No, there's no evidence that the PSU or motherboard would be damaged by this because it's not creating power surges, it's actually creating power cuts.

What has been happening in these connectors is that outside the contacts have been physically breaking internally because people have been giving the wires severe bends in the name of "cable management". When this happens, the two metal parts that used to be one are still so close together that the current jumps from one to the other. This is called "arcing" and the problem is that it forces the current through a tiny gap of air. Since air is a weak insulator and not a conductor, there is tremendous resistance to the flow of the current. That resistance results in friction which releases tonnes of heat. The biggest example of electrical arcing in the world would be bolts of lightning. Electricity is invisible so what you actually see when electricity arcs through the air is the air itself becoming white-hot for an instant as the current forces its way through it. Electricity is also silent and the "zapping" you hear is caused by air molecules literally exploding from the heat. Of course, this is just a small arc so the sound is relatively quiet and sounds to us like "zap" but if you scale the size of the arc up to it's maximum possible size, that sound becomes known as thunder.

If there's enough heat to turn the air white-hot, there's enough heat to melt plastic. One way to safeguard against arcing in electrical contacts is to pack them with dielectric grease. This is because dielectric grease is so insular that the current literally cannot arc through it. It wouldn't stop the connectors from being problematic but it would at least stop them from heating up and melting.

 

[Arco]

@Avro Arrow I thought it was not because of the bend. But about plugging it in all the way. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[A Computer Guy]

@Avro Arrow I thought it was not because of the bend. But about plugging it in all the way. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not an expert but from all I have seen and read so far is if it's plugged in and latched correctly a normal bend shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Arco]

I'm not an expert but from all I have seen and read so far is if it's plugged in and latched correctly a normal bend shouldn't be an issue.

Thanks, I've done some stress tests and nothing has exploded so far with my bend. (Its a bit aggressive due to the shorter cable.)