Radeon extremely low market share, only 8% in Q3 2022?

[A Computer Guy]

Thanks, I've done some stress tests and nothing has exploded so far with my bend. (Its a bit aggressive due to the shorter cable.)

Can you post a photo of your bend?

 

[Avro Arrow]

@Avro Arrow I thought it was not because of the bend. But about plugging it in all the way. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, I've actually seen the bend cause the problem (JayzTwoCents) and I've heard nVidia's attempt to dump responsibility on the end users but theoretically, not being plugged in all the way could do the same thing. The only difference would be that the arcing would occur between random pins instead of just the outer pins at the point where the wires should be soldered to the pins themselves. Either way, the connector is melting because it's arcing.

I think that this new connector was redundant the day it was released because it does nothing that standard PCI-E supplementary power connectors can't. It's nothing more than a gimmick and an extra connection where something could go wrong. Maybe one day, people will wise up and say "To hell with this crap!" and stop mindlessly buying nVidia cards. Until then, people will just have to suffer with the crap that they pull.

 

[Assimilator]

Well, I've actually seen the bend cause the problem (JayzTwoCents) and I've heard nVidia's attempt to dump responsibility on the end users but theoretically, not being plugged in all the way could do the same thing. The only difference would be that the arcing would occur between random pins instead of just the outer pins at the point where the wires should be soldered to the pins themselves. Either way, the connector is melting because it's arcing.

I think that this new connector was redundant the day it was released because it does nothing that standard PCI-E supplementary power connectors can't. It's nothing more than a gimmick and an extra connection where something could go wrong. Maybe one day, people will wise up and say "To hell with this crap!" and stop mindlessly buying nVidia cards. Until then, people will just have to suffer with the crap that they pull.

JayzTwoCents is not a reliable source. Gamers Nexus proved that the problem is solely due to not plugging the damn plug in properly. There is nothing else that can and will cause melting, of this cable or any cable carrying high current that is not properly connected, including PCIe and EPS cables.

 

[ymdhis]

Then Apu's still suck.

The Ryzen 5600G (Vega 7) is somewhere between a radeon rx550 and rx560 in games. That's respectable for an APU. And that's still the old Vega arch. The upcoming RDNA2 based 680M in the Ryzen 6700H is between two to three times faster depending on game and memory type. That makes them about as fast as a rx570, which is very good for an integrated gpu, and certainly good enough for me.

 

[A Computer Guy]

The Ryzen 5600G (Vega 7) is somewhere between a radeon rx550 and rx560 in games. That's respectable for an APU. And that's still the old Vega arch. The upcoming RDNA2 based 680M in the Ryzen 6700H is between two to three times faster depending on game and memory type. That makes them about as fast as a rx570, which is very good for an integrated gpu, and certainly good enough for me.

I was thinking it would be interesting to see a threadripper sized chip with 7950x3D on one side and rx 6700 xt on the other. AMD could call it "FrameRipper 3DX"

 

[Avro Arrow]

JayzTwoCents is not a reliable source. Gamers Nexus proved that the problem is solely due to not plugging the damn plug in properly. There is nothing else that can and will cause melting, of this cable or any cable carrying high current that is not properly connected, including PCIe and EPS cables.

I think he's a bit of a goof too but in this case, he was quoting Igor's Lab and that's a much more credible source than he is:
(5) Igor's Lab figured out why NVIDIA adapters are melting! - YouTube

 

[Arco]

@A Computer Guy

 

[A Computer Guy]

@A Computer Guy

Yep that looks pretty tight. You'd think GPU vendors would catch on to these typical bending issues and try to find some better mounting positions for the connector.

 

[Arco]

Yep that looks pretty tight. You'd think GPU vendors would catch on to these typical bending issues and try to find some better mounting positions for the connector.

I don't think it's the bending, the 550-watt 30-min load worked out.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I don't think it's the bending, the 550-watt 30-min load worked out.

As long as it's fully latched you should be ok.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Yep that looks pretty tight. You'd think GPU vendors would catch on to these typical bending issues and try to find some better mounting positions for the connector.

Or even better, just not use that stupid connector to begin with. It's not a necessary thing and never was.

I don't think it's the bending, the 550-watt 30-min load worked out.

Nah, I don't think that it's the power use. The power use of the RTX 4090 isn't the highest that I've seen. The old Powercolor DEVIL13 had a TDP of 580W and used four PCI-Express supplementary power connectors without issue. It's still the most massive video card ever made.

Lemme find some info on it...
Photos and Dimensions from Guru3D:
Length: 30.5cm

Width: 6cm

It was the first card that I've ever seen or heard about that came with a supplementary support to prevent sagging called the "PowerJack":

With a mass that was estimated by Guru3D to be 3kg, it is ~50% heavier than the RTX 4090.

The good old TPU database even has an entry for it:

AMD Radeon R9 290X2 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

The four PCI-Express supplementary power connectors (pictured here) had no issue with power delivery whatsoever even though Guru3D measured a draw of ~589W. Since this card clearly draws more juice than the RTX 4090, the 550W isn't the issue, the connector is.

 

[Dirt Chip]

This thread can clearly be closed as all recent post on the matter of AMD's low market share is about NV's 12vhpwr connector..

 

[TROGDOR!!!]

Accounting for PlayStation and Xbox running RDNA 2, I think you’ll find AMD has a greater market share than nvidia.
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